[Draft] Commend Christian Democrats

[District XIV]

Commend Christian Democrats

Category: Commendation | Nominee: Christian Democrats | Proposed By: District XIV

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The Security Council:

APPRECIATES the abroad work and commitment of Christian Democrats,

PROCLAIMS their status as a World Assembly resolution author; in which they have passed eight General Assembly resolutions along with a Security Council resolution, the following being of special note:

• GAR #160 (Forced Marriages Ban Act): prohibited forced marriage in all WA nations as well as the foreign recognition of these marriages.
• SC #82 (Repeal “Liberate Catholic”): repealed SCR #20, a resolution set to liberate the region Catholic from invaders, who soon withdrew from the region, making the liberation no longer necessary; allowed the natives of Catholic to refound the region under new governance and security.
• GAR #200 (Foreign Marriage Recognition): required that foreign marriages be recognized by all WA nations if such marriages are allowed by domestic or international law.
• GAR #249 (Stopping Suicide Seeds): regulates genetic farming technology as to protect the environment; also disallows multinational corporations from taking of advantage of poor/subsistence farmers.
• GAR #285 (Assisted Suicide Act): protects the ability for WA nations to allow suicide or euthanasia; also ensures that all assisted suicide procedures are safe.

OBSERVES their past contributions to the first constitution of the region Balder after the creation of such region,

HEREBY commends Christian Democrats.

Let us begin.

(Note: all of my knowledge of Christian Democrats comes from this dispatch, so I'm sure someone who has worked with CD knows more of their contributions)

(Extra Note: I've never attempted to author an SC resolution before, so don't be too hard on me )

[Christian Democrats]

I'm posting here just so I can follow what others are saying about me.

That said, I don't plan to be involved in this thread at all.

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Just one comment: I was involved in Balder for only a short time in 2011. Since then, the region has undergone many changes; and, indeed, only a few of its players probably know me. My only involvement there now is being an ambassador from the Rejected Realms.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Balder/profile/3111079/

I would like this proposal, if it is submitted, not to mislead people into thinking that I am somehow a "major player" in that region.

[District XIV]

I'm posting here just so I can follow what others are saying about me.

That said, I don't plan to be involved in this thread at all.

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Just one comment: I was involved in Balder for only a short time in 2011. Since then, the region has undergone many changes; and, indeed, only a few of its players probably know me. My only involvement there now is being an ambassador from the Rejected Realms.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Balder/profile/3111079/

I would like this proposal, if it is submitted, not to mislead people into thinking that I am somehow a "major player" in that region.

How would you suggest I word the stanza about Balder?

[Ramaeus]

Good luck.

[Christian Democrats]

I was involved in the 2011 constitutional convention in that region. I was a citizen for a short time and offered advice to Fotar. Then, when the region appeared stable, I decided to move my nation Olaf II out of Balder so that the government would remove my citizenship.

[District XIV]

I was involved in the 2011 constitutional convention in that region. I was a citizen for a short time and offered advice to Fotar. Then, when the region appeared stable, I decided to move my nation Olaf II out of Balder so that the government would remove my citizenship.

Changes have been made.

[PrussianEmpire]

CD is excellent and uh yeah, everyone should support this.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Supporter here.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The Federal Republic rises in support of this well-deserved (and long overdue) commendation of our oft-misunderstood ideological allies from Christian Democrats. However curious the first clause may be. "Contentious action"? Maybe not to people who actually support the right of unborn children to be welcomed into the world as living breathing sapient beings. Is it the contention (there, we use that word again) of the author that adherents of a pro-life viewpoint do not deserve their own community in which to promote their sincerely held beliefs?

[District XIV]

"Contentious action"? Maybe not to people who actually support the right of unborn children to be welcomed into the world as living breathing sapient beings. Is it the contention (there, we use that word again) of the author that adherents of a pro-life viewpoint do not deserve their own community in which to promote their sincerely held beliefs?

It could have been better worded. What I'm saying is that the official agenda promoted by the region is Pro-Life (in most cases) in regard to the extremely controversial topic of abortion. The "Contentious action" would be the statement of this opinion, as well as the creation of a region to mainly express such opinion. "Contentious", a word equal to "Controversial", is, I believe, appropriate to be used in this situation because of the controversial status of the abortion topic.

I am not, most certainly not, expressing that "they do not deserve their own community". They deserve a community to promote their opinions as much as Gay or Weed would.

[Sanctaria]

I have rarely agreed with the nation of Christian Democrats. We are at odds on many social issues, though we seem to be fine when it comes to economics. I have not supported many of his resolutions, and he has supported even fewer of mine.

That said, it would be naive and petty to deny Christian Democrats' impact in the World Assembly, and in his home regions. I'll support this.

[Nierr]

Well it's been a while since this kind of thing came up.

APPRECIATES the abroad work and commitment of Christian Democrats,

Redundant clause.

AWARE of 'Right to Life', a region created and maintained by Christian Democrats in an effort to tendentiously promote the Pro-Life side of the extremely controversial topic of abortion,

Founding a region to promote a hateful ideology isn't something commendable. Unless you're going to be commending LCG next?

BELIEVES, despite controversial actions, Christian Democrats is still worthy of a commendation for their commitment to regional growth, inter-regional security, and notable World Assembly authorship,

Strange clause but whatever.

PROCLAIMS their status as a World Assembly resolution author, in which they have passed numerous resolutions, the following being of special note:

Passing resolution 'proclaims' someone's status as a WA author. Rephrase.

RECOGNIZES the inter-regional political participation of Christian Democrats, such as in The Rejected Realms and the Founderless Regions Alliance, in which they have served in high-ranking government positions,

... Really? Commending people for being in regions?

OBSERVES their past contributions to the first constitution of the region Balder after the creation of such region,

What contributions? CD didn't contribute a single clause to the constitution.

COGNIZANT also of their leadership roles in the region Catholic, in which they have served as the WA Delegate and a member of the region's legislature,

Irrelevant UCR to most of the international community, but neutral on this clause.

(Note: all of my knowledge of Christian Democrats comes from this dispatch, so I'm sure someone who has worked with CD knows more of their contributions)

So, uh, all of your information on CD comes from CD himself? That's not a decent place to start from.

A lot of work needed on this to make it even remotely passable.

[Wrapper]

AWARE of 'Right to Life', a region created and maintained by Christian Democrats in an effort to tendentiously promote the Pro-Life side of the extremely controversial topic of abortion

Absolutely no.

[District XIV]

APPRECIATES the abroad work and commitment of Christian Democrats,

Redundant clause.

Yeah, probably.

AWARE of 'Right to Life', a region created and maintained by Christian Democrats in an effort to tendentiously promote the Pro-Life side of the extremely controversial topic of abortion,

Founding a region to promote a hateful ideology isn't something commendable. Unless you're going to be commending LCG next?

Oh my fucking goodness. It's your own damn opinion whether Pro-Life is a "hateful ideology" or not.

And don't even call me a religious pro-life fundamentalist or some shit like that. I'm a pro-choice atheist.

BELIEVES, despite controversial actions, Christian Democrats is still worthy of a commendation for their commitment to regional growth, inter-regional security, and notable World Assembly authorship,

Strange clause but whatever.

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PROCLAIMS their status as a World Assembly resolution author, in which they have passed numerous resolutions, the following being of special note:

Passing resolution 'proclaims' someone's status as a WA author. Rephrase.

Will do.

RECOGNIZES the inter-regional political participation of Christian Democrats, such as in The Rejected Realms and the Founderless Regions Alliance, in which they have served in high-ranking government positions,

... Really? Commending people for being in regions?

Being a government official in such regions. I'm probably going to contact someone who has worked with CD within those governments for more info regarding their contributions in a political sense.

OBSERVES their past contributions to the first constitution of the region Balder after the creation of such region,

What contributions? CD didn't contribute a single clause to the constitution.

CD said they passed on ideas to someone writing the first constitution regarding the construction of the first electoral system of Balder.

COGNIZANT also of their leadership roles in the region Catholic, in which they have served as the WA Delegate and a member of the region's legislature,

Irrelevant UCR to most of the international community, but neutral on this clause.

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(Note: all of my knowledge of Christian Democrats comes from this dispatch, so I'm sure someone who has worked with CD knows more of their contributions)

So, uh, all of your information on CD comes from CD himself? That's not a decent place to start from.

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A lot of work needed on this to make it even remotely passable.

Hmm hm.

[Ikania]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

[Mousebumples]

Browsing through this thread for an unrelated moderator reason reminded me of why I will likely always oppose a commendation of CD in these chambers. I can respect what he does for his region and his nation; however, the way that he conducts himself when things aren't going his way aren't always commendable. (notably his behavior on the later pages of that thread is less flattering, in my eyes) I understand his frustration about having a proposal that he had worked on get ruled illegal time and time again, but his unwillingness to accept that illegality - and continued efforts to resubmit with only minor fixes, frustrated me as a player. (I was not a mod at that time and was in no ways personally impacted - in terms of mod workload, etc. - by his efforts in that thread.)

Again, this is only the perspective of Mouse the Player - Mouse the Mod does not comment on support/disapproval of proposals, except with regards to potential legality questions.

[Bears Armed]

"Maybeso..."

[District XIV]

Browsing through this thread for an unrelated moderator reason reminded me of why I will likely always oppose a commendation of CD in these chambers. I can respect what he does for his region and his nation; however, the way that he conducts himself when things aren't going his way aren't always commendable. (notably his behavior on the later pages of that thread is less flattering, in my eyes) I understand his frustration about having a proposal that he had worked on get ruled illegal time and time again, but his unwillingness to accept that illegality - and continued efforts to resubmit with only minor fixes, frustrated me as a player. (I was not a mod at that time and was in no ways personally impacted - in terms of mod workload, etc. - by his efforts in that thread.)

Again, this is only the perspective of Mouse the Player - Mouse the Mod does not comment on support/disapproval of proposals, except with regards to potential legality questions.

Sure, but that was about four years ago. People change.

[Eist]

I think CD is the most detestable player in NationStates. I will dig up some of our old conversations later if it looks like it has any chance of passing, which I sincerely hope it does not. In the indelible words of CD: AGAINST

[Nierr]

Oh my fucking goodness. It's your own damn opinion whether Pro-Life is a "hateful ideology" or not.

No it's pretty damn clear that the pro-life lobby hates women. Thus, hateful ideology.

And don't even call me a religious pro-life fundamentalist or some shit like that. I'm a pro-choice atheist.

Uh... I didn't.

Being a government official in such regions. I'm probably going to contact someone who has worked with CD within those governments for more info regarding their contributions in a political sense.

I've served in more regional governments than CD. Are you going to drop this and commend me first?

CD said they passed on ideas to someone writing the first constitution regarding the construction of the first electoral system of Balder.

Pretty much the extent of CD's contributions were taking the oath, standing for delegate and trying to remove the right of citizens to vote on the region's WA stance.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Is it the contention (there, we use that word again) of the author that adherents of a pro-life viewpoint do not deserve their own community in which to promote their sincerely held beliefs?

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Founding a region to promote a hateful ideology isn't something commendable. Unless you're going to be commending LCG next?

AWARE of 'Right to Life', a region created and maintained by Christian Democrats in an effort to tendentiously promote the Pro-Life side of the extremely controversial topic of abortion

Absolutely no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

I think CD is the most detestable player in NationStates.

You must forgive us; we vastly overestimated the ability of this body to tolerate differing points of view. Apparently the SC is no better than the GA in that regard. We will not be making the same mistake again, we assure you.

We continue to support a commendation for Christian Democrats.

[Nierr]

You must forgive us; we vastly overestimated the ability of this body to tolerate differing points of view. Apparently the SC is no better than the GA in that regard. We will not be making the same mistake again, we assure you.

I tolerate CD's views so long as CD isn't pushing them onto the World Assembly and spewing them all over the place. Providing a community for those with those views isn't commendable.

[The Scientific States]

I cannot support this. CD has most certainly worked hard in the WA, and is undeniably a major influence in the WA, but some of his proposals, the way he's voted on some resolutions, and his conduct when things don't go his way, is not good at all. So, I will stand against this proposal.

[Christian Democrats]

I'm still trying to avoid this thread, but I feel I've been seriously maligned on two points.

Unless you're going to be commending LCG next?

Browsing through this thread for an unrelated moderator reason reminded me of why I will likely always oppose a commendation of CD in these chambers. I can respect what he does for his region and his nation; however, the way that he conducts himself when things aren't going his way aren't always commendable. (notably his behavior on the later pages of that thread is less flattering, in my eyes) I understand his frustration about having a proposal that he had worked on get ruled illegal time and time again, but his unwillingness to accept that illegality - and continued efforts to resubmit with only minor fixes, frustrated me as a player. (I was not a mod at that time and was in no ways personally impacted - in terms of mod workload, etc. - by his efforts in that thread.)

1. I had just joined the WA a month earlier and was new to the GA forum. Some comments I made were a bit too IC.

2. As far as I can remember and as far as I can tell from that thread, I submitted that proposal twice. After it was deemed illegal the first time, I made a number of changes to try to address the legality issues; but, unfortunately, the proposal was removed again. Having a proposal removed twice is not common, but it is not uncommon either. It has happened to a number of authors.

3. I still think parental consent ought to be required before a minor obtains an abortion. Otherwise, sexual abuse (e.g., by an older boyfriend) might go unnoticed; or depression or substance abuse might go untreated. Letting children hide major procedures from their parents is irresponsible, and it undermines the entire guardian-minor relationship. How can one guard a child if he doesn't know what she's doing? Certainly, it would be unreasonable for a clinic worker to spirit a child off to a hospital for secret heart or lung surgery.

4. I still disagree with the ruling that my proposal violated the Sexual Privacy Act and the Patient's Rights Act. First, abortion is not a sexual act (Resolution 16 defines "sexual acts" as "any acts between two or more individuals which involve stimulation of the sexual organs"). Second, given that On Abortion later changed the consent procedures for abortions contra the Patient's Rights Act, I do not believe my modified consent procedures for abortions, which were smaller in scope, were illegal. At various times, inconsistent criteria have been applied with regard to the Patient's Rights Act as other players have pointed out as well. After a year of begging for clarity, these concerns were still never resolved despite assurances from the moderators that they would be.

5. I still think there ought to be a GA court of three to five players that is elected at regular intervals to judge the legality of GA proposals. This view is not uniquely mine. A number of players from the old Dharma crowd, most notably Glen-Rhodes, have made similar arguments that substantive changes need to be made to the current smoke-filled-room system.

My entire time on NationStates, I've been warned only once for misconduct. I deserved that warning. In the General forum, in a thread about foreign policy, I posted a distant picture (taken from about two blocks away) of a woman lynched for wearing "indecent" clothing. It was an angry response to a player who was arguing that Western media unfairly criticize the Iranian government for "supposed" human rights violations. I would be greatly appreciative if Mouse the Player would abstain from falsely making me out to be a miscreant who constantly flaunts NationStates' rules, especially given her alter ego as Mouse the Moderator. The latter should know better.

[District XIV]

Oh my fucking goodness. It's your own damn opinion whether Pro-Life is a "hateful ideology" or not.

No it's pretty damn clear that the pro-life lobby hates women. Thus, hateful ideology.

Then you could make the argument that "The pro-choice lobby hates children. Thus, "hateful ideology"."

If CD was one of those people that said "rape is a gift from god" or something horrible thing like that, I wouldn't even attempt to commend them. In fact, CD lists exceptions in an official regional dispatch of Right to Life for cases in which they are fine with abortion:

Regional law allows individual region members to support legal access to induced abortion under the following circumstances:

• Maternal health
  
• Rape or incest
  
• Fetal defects

And don't even call me a religious pro-life fundamentalist or some shit like that. I'm a pro-choice atheist.

Uh... I didn't.

It was more of a "don't even think about" thing