by Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:53 am
by Ifreann » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:59 am
by Divair2 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:01 am
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:01 am
by The Scientific States » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:00 am
by Angleter » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:08 am
This is probably what will happen.
The issue is that Clegg is an Establishment candidate. If the Pro-EU arguer were non-Establishment like farage is perceived to be, it would be fairly simple to counter his points by arguing that while Brussels politicians are Wankers, so are ours, and what the entire continent needs is more democratic participation, not less.
by Angleter » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:27 am
The Scientific States wrote:Clegg will win. He tends to have facts on his side, not illogical fearmongering.
by European Socialist Republic » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:29 am
by Britanno » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:32 am
Alizeria wrote:If NSG governed anywhere I would emigrate.
by Dejanic » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:58 am
by Quintium » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:03 pm
by Britannic Realms » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:08 pm
by Divair2 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:10 pm
Britannic Realms wrote:As I said in the last thread, Clegg may have all of the facts on his side, but Farage will win for two reasons:
1. He's good and getting people angry at foreigners
2. Practically everybody hates Nick Clegg
I'm also pretty sure that tuition fees will get into the debate somehow.
by Quintium » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:13 pm
by The Archregimancy » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:15 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote: Recently, UKIP has overtaken them in the polls and is showing no signs of falling below them again, which may be his motivation for challenging Farage to the debate in the first place.
by Old Tyrannia » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:23 pm
by Lordieth » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:24 pm
by Quintium » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:27 pm
by Angleter » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:29 pm
by Angleter » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:31 pm
Angleter wrote:The Scientific States wrote:Clegg will win. He tends to have facts on his side, not illogical fearmongering.
It's Clegg who repeatedly (including just now, in his party political broadcast) rattles off the line that three million jobs depend on our EU membership. This is false. It's based on a disingenuous misreading (that assumes, bizarrely, that all our trade with the EU would cease, and not be replaced by anything, in the event of our withdrawal) of a claim made over a decade ago, before the proportion of our trade with the EU shrunk. What's illogical fearmongering, if not that?
by Quintium » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:31 pm
Wolfmanne wrote:Clegg seems to be handling things pretty well right now.
by Wolfmanne » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:38 pm
by Fieldwester » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:42 pm
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