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The DHS's "Constitution Free" Zones

Postby Hathradic States » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:20 pm

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-mill ... 38075.html
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/0 ... -seizures/

To sum it up, the Department of Homeland Security has the ability to search your electronic belongings for no reason, a clear violation of the US's 4th Amendment, within a hundred miles of the border. As you can see on the maps provided in the sources, this includes several entire states, such as Maine and Florida. At first, I was rather skeptical on this, given the original source, but the first article talked about the ACLU lawsuit over it, so I swallowed my conservative pride and checked there, where, indeed it does exist.

So, NSG, what are you thoughts on these actions? Is it reasonable, given the times we live in, or a gross breach of the US Constitution?

Myself, I find that, if the ACLU lawsuit makes it to the Supreme Court, they will likely say that, indeed, the actions are unconstitutional. Hopefully, it will do away with the policy.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:23 pm

We calculated this using the most recent, 2007 numbers from the U.S. Census, and released a map showing the cities and states that are enveloped by this zone. It includes some of the largest metropolitan areas in the country: New York City, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Portland, Oregon. States that are completely within this Constitution-Free Zone include Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Rhode Island. When you say “border,” they think “all of New England.”

CBP has been setting up checkpoints far inland — on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship.

This is horrible. Basically, the government can stop anyone in those areas and demand proof of citizenship? How will this not end up causing racial profiling based on "stop everyone who seems like they might not be American citizens"?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:27 pm

197 million people, nearly 2/3 of the US population, lives within the "constitution-free" zone. *gulp*

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Anyway, this is clearly a case of blatant governmental overreach and is seriously worrying. This is a grave infringement of personal privacy and Constitutionally guaranteed rights.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:28 pm

... Jesus Christ, I live in that area. That's... that's honestly pretty fucking terrifying.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:29 pm

Hathradic States wrote:To sum it up, the Department of Homeland Security has the ability to search your electronic belongings for no reason, a clear violation of the US's 4th Amendment, within a hundred miles of the border.

Before reading anything else, I'm going to assume this refers to searching unsecured public networks projected from otherwise private devices, which is very unlikely to violate your constitution.

Now let's see whether that was an unreasonable assumption.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:32 pm

Alright, so it was actually an unreasonable assumption.

I don't know if I have anything to follow up, here. I wasn't expecting this to be real.
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Postby Libertarian California » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:33 pm

Yeah, suspending the Constitution so we can catch "druggies" and "terrorists" is always a good idea! :palm:
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Postby Libertarian California » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:34 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:197 million people, nearly 2/3 of the US population, lives within the "constitution-free" zone. *gulp*



Anyway, this is clearly a case of blatant governmental overreach and is seriously worrying.


Regnum, we live in occupied territory. :eek:
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:35 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:Alright, so it was actually an unreasonable assumption.

I don't know if I have anything to follow up, here. I wasn't expecting this to be real.

My thoughts were the same man. :hug:
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Postby Bendira » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:36 pm

The whole country is a constitution free zone with the NSA spy programs, its just that in this particular program they actually have jackbooted fascists on the ground making it more blatant
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:37 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:197 million people, nearly 2/3 of the US population, lives within the "constitution-free" zone. *gulp*



Anyway, this is clearly a case of blatant governmental overreach and is seriously worrying.


Regnum, we live in occupied territory. :eek:

I just hope Michigan is given to Canada at this point. I'd welcome the Canadian overlords.
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Postby Gaveo » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:37 pm

Holy crap...

Thank god I don't live in the orange zone. O_o

Seriously, what is wrong with this government?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:37 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
Regnum, we live in occupied territory. :eek:

I just hope Michigan is given to Canada at this point. I'd welcome the Canadian overlords.

Wisconsin, too. Hell, just give them the whole Great Lakes region.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:38 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:197 million people, nearly 2/3 of the US population, lives within the "constitution-free" zone. *gulp*



Anyway, this is clearly a case of blatant governmental overreach and is seriously worrying.


Regnum, we live in occupied territory. :eek:

One more step towards a police state. I'm drifting to libertarian mode. :lol:
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Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:I just hope Michigan is given to Canada at this point. I'd welcome the Canadian overlords.

Wisconsin, too. Hell, just give them the whole Great Lakes region.


As much as it pains me to say it, evil communist Canada is better than this shit.

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Postby Luziyca » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:39 pm

:palm: I thought it'd be assigning certain parts of the country to be free speech zones and the rest wouldn't be. As expected, it is far worse. At least I do not live within that zone, because I happen to live in the Dominion of Canada.

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The Serbian Empire wrote:I just hope Michigan is given to Canada at this point. I'd welcome the Canadian overlords.

Wisconsin, too. Hell, just give them the whole Great Lakes region.

Or at least Alaska.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:39 pm

It must be weird living in San Antonio it must be like, am I the free zone or not? And I think I live just on the line. FML
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:39 pm

Bendira wrote:The whole country is a constitution free zone with the NSA spy programs, its just that in this particular program they actually have jackbooted fascists on the ground making it more blatant

I agree that this is worrying, but "jackbooted fascists"? Really?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:39 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:197 million people, nearly 2/3 of the US population, lives within the "constitution-free" zone. *gulp*



Anyway, this is clearly a case of blatant governmental overreach and is seriously worrying. This is a grave infringement of personal privacy and Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

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Postby Qahadim » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:39 pm

Suddenly i'm very glad to live in bum fuck Egypt, deep within the interior if the country.

So when do we pressure our state legislatures to call constitutional conventions to put a stop Yo crap like this?

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:40 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:It must be weird living in San Antonio it must be like, am I the free zone or not? And I think I live just on the line. FML

Are you in the north or south of the San Antonio area?
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:40 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Wisconsin, too. Hell, just give them the whole Great Lakes region.


As much as it pains me to say it, evil communist Canada is better than this shit.

What is happening to my country!?!?!?!

At this rate, I'd give them 20 years before it goes the way of the USSR, or 25 before it goes the way of the DPRK.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:40 pm


Adding these to the OP.
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