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Do you believe in ghosts/spirits?

Yes
29
28%
No
50
49%
Maybe/Unsure/kinda do/kinda don't
24
23%
 
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Postby Nercer - » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:32 pm

Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

Damn you people, vote!!! :mad:
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:33 pm

Nercer - wrote:Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

No, although if I was to encounter compelling evidence I would probably change my mind.
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Postby Alancar » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:51 pm

No, the existence of such things seems so improbable to the point of ridicule
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Postby Nercer - » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:52 pm

Then you are not open minded.

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Postby The Beautiful Darkness » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:53 pm

No I don't, but if I did, I'd probably think this house is haunted. It creaks and stuff all the time. :P
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Postby Brutland and Norden » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:56 pm

Nercer - wrote:Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

There may be ghosts, but I don't know what these "spiritis" are.
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Postby The Valepian Lands » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:58 pm

Kinda don't, but I've had some experiences after my grandma died. Footsteps downstairs when my parents where asleep.

But I usually think they don't exist and it's all in my head.
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Postby Tezdrian » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:59 pm

Yes, end of story.
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Postby Soyut » Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:59 pm

Nope

EDIT: One time the light switch in my old bedroom turned on by itself and it woke me up. I have no idea how that happened cuz I was home alone and my light switch was the kind that you turn like a knob. I don't think I was sleepwalking either cuz when I woke up, I was buried under several blankets. It was cold. That was spooky as hell but I'm not going to jump to conclusions and say it was a ghost or some such supernatural superstitious stuff.
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Postby Alancar » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:01 pm

Nercer - wrote:Then you are not open minded.

If open minded to you means that I should acknowledge and give credit to things for which there isn't a shred of evidence, then yes, I'm not open minded.

However, I should point out, your definition of open mindness is seriously flawed
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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:02 pm

Brutland and Norden wrote:
Nercer - wrote:Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

There may be ghosts, but I don't know what these "spiritis" are.

It's an infection where your soul becomes inflamed and itchy. Hurts like all fucking hell, especially since you can't scratch a metaphysical concept. The only way to cure spiritis that I know of is to become a nihilist and hope that your soul falls off on its own from lack of use.
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Postby Brutland and Norden » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:06 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:
Brutland and Norden wrote:
Nercer - wrote:Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

There may be ghosts, but I don't know what these "spiritis" are.

It's an infection where your soul becomes inflamed and itchy. Hurts like all fucking hell, especially since you can't scratch a metaphysical concept. The only way to cure spiritis that I know of is to become a nihilist and hope that your soul falls off on its own from lack of use.

Oh, but they say I can also eat the body of Jesus to feed and cure my soul. :lol:
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Postby Soyut » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:06 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:
Brutland and Norden wrote:
Nercer - wrote:Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

There may be ghosts, but I don't know what these "spiritis" are.

It's an infection where your soul becomes inflamed and itchy. Hurts like all fucking hell, especially since you can't scratch a metaphysical concept. The only way to cure spiritis that I know of is to become a nihilist and hope that your soul falls off on its own from lack of use.


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Postby Balans » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:06 pm

I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Me, well I believe, kind of. :) I believe that ghosts/spirits exist, but I think all these TV shows/movies are mostly rip-offs to make money. :/

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Postby Soyut » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:06 pm

Brutland and Norden wrote:
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:
Brutland and Norden wrote:
Nercer - wrote:Insipred by a post I made on a thread: Do you believe in ghosts/spiritis?

There may be ghosts, but I don't know what these "spiritis" are.

It's an infection where your soul becomes inflamed and itchy. Hurts like all fucking hell, especially since you can't scratch a metaphysical concept. The only way to cure spiritis that I know of is to become a nihilist and hope that your soul falls off on its own from lack of use.

Oh, but they say I can also eat the body of Jesus to feed and cure my soul. :lol:


That's only if you have the holy ghost. I'm not sure it works for other kinds.

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Postby Soyut » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:08 pm

Balans wrote:I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Me, well I believe, kind of. :) I believe that ghosts/spirits exist, but I think all these TV shows/movies are mostly rip-offs to make money. :/


I believe the burden of proof lies with those who claim ghosts are real.

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Postby Bitchkitten » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:09 pm

Silly superstition. As with Santa, UFO's and the sky fairy.

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Postby Balans » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:14 pm

Soyut wrote:
Balans wrote:I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Me, well I believe, kind of. :) I believe that ghosts/spirits exist, but I think all these TV shows/movies are mostly rip-offs to make money. :/


I believe the burden of proof lies with those who claim ghosts are real.


Lack of proof for one side is not the proof for the other.
Remember, you can't prove that Ghosts /don't/ exist, and if your only proof is that there isn't any proof that they /do/ exist, well... That's very thin, and not very open-minded. :/

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Postby Alancar » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:14 pm

Balans wrote:I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Ok. Well, I believe that an immaterial monkey-like-creature exists within the anus of humans, and that this creature will concede you eternal happiness if you offer him a banana once every week for 4 years (you can guess how the offer would be made).

Now unless you have some evidence this thing doesn't exist, it seems to me you would be close minded to think it's ridiculous....
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Postby LOL ANARCHY NUBZ » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:15 pm

I'm not sure, but my girlfriend swears blind that they are.

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Postby Balans » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:19 pm

Alancar wrote:
Balans wrote:I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Ok. Well, I believe that an immaterial monkey-like-creature exists within the anus of humans, and that this creature will concede you eternal happiness if you offer him a banana once every week for 4 years (you can guess how the offer would be made).

Now unless you have some evidence this thing doesn't exist, it seems to me you would be close minded to think it's ridiculous....


I have no evidence this doesn't or does exist, so I cannot really say that your idea is crazy/ridiculous/true/false, now can I? :)
So yeah, by my reasoning, I do mean to say that yeah, I believe anything could potentially exist, whether its an immaterial monkey, ghosts, unicorns, or religious deities.

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Postby Soyut » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:23 pm

Balans wrote:
Soyut wrote:
Balans wrote:I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Me, well I believe, kind of. :) I believe that ghosts/spirits exist, but I think all these TV shows/movies are mostly rip-offs to make money. :/


I believe the burden of proof lies with those who claim ghosts are real.


Lack of proof for one side is not the proof for the other.
Remember, you can't prove that Ghosts /don't/ exist, and if your only proof is that there isn't any proof that they /do/ exist, well... That's very thin, and not very open-minded. :/


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Postby Vectrova » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:24 pm

There is evidence of magnetism, temperature spikes, and so on occurring in locations that are considered 'haunted', but anything beyond that sort of correlation has no support. That doesn't necessitate dismissal, however, because understanding what can be attributed to superstition and what cannot is a thing science does quite well.

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Postby Balans » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:26 pm

Soyut wrote:
Balans wrote:
Soyut wrote:
Balans wrote:I think what they meant by 'you are not open-minded' is how you said in your post that the existence of ghosts/spirits is 'improbable to the point of ridicule'. Open-minded means that you are open to any/many ideas, at least that's what it means to me. So, to me it seems like you aren't open-minded, in the way that you think its completely silly and 'ridicule-worthy' to believe in Ghosts, even though you have no solid evidence for either side, and therefor would mean you just aren't open to the idea that they exist.

Me, well I believe, kind of. :) I believe that ghosts/spirits exist, but I think all these TV shows/movies are mostly rip-offs to make money. :/


I believe the burden of proof lies with those who claim ghosts are real.


Lack of proof for one side is not the proof for the other.
Remember, you can't prove that Ghosts /don't/ exist, and if your only proof is that there isn't any proof that they /do/ exist, well... That's very thin, and not very open-minded. :/


Well, would you believe me if I told you there was a teapot orbiting the sun?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot


If you mean a teapot in the way Bertrand Russell said it, then I would, again, choose to remain in the middle, because no evidence of it, or against it, is shown. :)
And a bit off the topic, but Bertrand Russell is amazing. xD

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Postby Alancar » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:27 pm

Balans wrote:I have no evidence this doesn't or does exist, so I cannot really say that your idea is crazy/ridiculous/true/false, now can I? :)

Yes you can (well admittedly, you can't actually say it's true or false...not with absolute 100% certainty at least...but then again what can?).

Balans wrote:So yeah, by my reasoning, I do mean to say that yeah, I believe anything could potentially exist

Of course anything could potentially exist, the point is whether or not it's believable. And how you determine that? By evidence.

Being open minded isn't about believing anything, it's about being able to look past your pre-conceived notions and accept reality for what it is, no matter how you may feel about it.

An open minded person isn't one that says: "I will believe in anything", it's one that says: "I will believe in anything, for as long as I can reasonably justify it"
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