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Alittle bit of Honesty...

Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:08 pm

In one of my other discussion forums that I frequent, a poster linked to this video of a guy who was "reborn", and he shared a song. Beside the video-blog quality of the video (Which is above webcam shows, but below web porn video productions), the guy said that it was hard to be a Christian. Honestly at that point I just stopped the video. Really? I'm going to assume that this guy is in the USA, (mainly because where else do you see this?). Christianity makes up 78.4% Source, last time I checked, that's a majority. What's so hard about being in the same religion as a majority? I could go off on a rant, but I won't.

I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?

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Us atheists trying to uproot their good and traditional values, naturally...
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Postby Nation of Quebec » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:13 pm

Absolutely nothing. They're the majority the government continually panders to. They're only complaining now about being discriminated against because the government is finally getting around to enacting separation of church and state. Not to mention politicians and certain "journalists" will play the same discrimination card to win sympathy votes and ratings respectively.

If they still think they're being discriminated against they should try living in the shoes of an Atheist or homosexual. Then I might take their claims of discrimination a little more seriously.
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Postby Goath » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:13 pm

there isn't anything actually hard about being a Christian in the United States. Some Christians think it is hard based on the fact they don't always get their way...because sometimes we protect those pesky minorities.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:14 pm

What's so hard about being a Christian in the United States?

The Christians.
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Postby JuNii » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:14 pm

Wilgrove wrote:In one of my other discussion forums that I frequent, a poster linked to this video of a guy who was "reborn", and he shared a song. Beside the video-blog quality of the video (Which is above webcam shows, but below web porn video productions), the guy said that it was hard to be a Christian. Honestly at that point I just stopped the video. Really? I'm going to assume that this guy is in the USA, (mainly because where else do you see this?). Christianity makes up 78.4% Source, last time I checked, that's a majority. What's so hard about being in the same religion as a majority? I could go off on a rant, but I won't.

I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?


you're kidding... right?

look at the various threads here that derile, villify, and generally make fun of those who "beleive in the invisible man in the sky." Everytime someone speaks out against Homosexuality, Abortion, or any other social topic, they get called crazy Christians or other names.

look at the temptations out there, from sex, to Drugs, to material wealth

listen to the rants of those who claim to be Chrisitans as well as those who loudly proclaim their christian faith and listen to the replies.

yeah, Christianity may be the Majority, but that doesn't mean it's easy.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:15 pm

Wilgrove wrote:In one of my other discussion forums that I frequent, a poster linked to this video of a guy who was "reborn", and he shared a song. Beside the video-blog quality of the video (Which is above webcam shows, but below web porn video productions), the guy said that it was hard to be a Christian. Honestly at that point I just stopped the video. Really? I'm going to assume that this guy is in the USA, (mainly because where else do you see this?). Christianity makes up 78.4% Source, last time I checked, that's a majority. What's so hard about being in the same religion as a majority? I could go off on a rant, but I won't.

I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?


The amount of porn and loose women in the states, that's pretty hard.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:16 pm

JuNii wrote:yeah, Christianity may be the Majority, but that doesn't mean it's easy.


When even a part of the majority are imbeciles who have no idea how to act properly in the context of what they wish to be, it makes the entire majority look as imbecilic as the part--large or small--quite often.

So yeah, you're pretty much right.
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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:17 pm

Wilgrove wrote:In one of my other discussion forums that I frequent, a poster linked to this video of a guy who was "reborn", and he shared a song. Beside the video-blog quality of the video (Which is above webcam shows, but below web porn video productions), the guy said that it was hard to be a Christian. Honestly at that point I just stopped the video. Really? I'm going to assume that this guy is in the USA, (mainly because where else do you see this?). Christianity makes up 78.4% Source, last time I checked, that's a majority. What's so hard about being in the same religion as a majority? I could go off on a rant, but I won't.

I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?

Following a bunch of religious rules is harder than not following a bunch of religious rules. I'm not sure what part of that concept is difficult for you to grasp, but try running the words around your head for awhile.
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Postby Hydesland » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:20 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?


There can be plenty of things. Keeping to your churches interpretation of how the Bible says you should live your life for a start, and national statistics can be very deceiving, as that doesn't mean that the numbers are the same in every city, or even in every neighbourhood. And that doesn't mean you wont suffer from ridicule or hatred, even if the majority of people are Christian in your area.
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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:21 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:In one of my other discussion forums that I frequent, a poster linked to this video of a guy who was "reborn", and he shared a song. Beside the video-blog quality of the video (Which is above webcam shows, but below web porn video productions), the guy said that it was hard to be a Christian. Honestly at that point I just stopped the video. Really? I'm going to assume that this guy is in the USA, (mainly because where else do you see this?). Christianity makes up 78.4% Source, last time I checked, that's a majority. What's so hard about being in the same religion as a majority? I could go off on a rant, but I won't.

I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?

Following a bunch of religious rules is harder than not following a bunch of religious rules. I'm not sure what part of that concept is difficult for you to grasp, but try running the words around your head for awhile.


I think most of those religious rules are self imposed. I mean you choose to be a Christian, there forth you looked at the rules, and say "Hey, I can follow this."

However, I am talking about being a Christian in USA's society.

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Postby Rhodmhire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:22 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?


What's so hard about being a Christian anywhere?

I wrote a very long thing about the subject of humans trying to live up to Christ, the essence of perfect humanity, but I don't feel like elaborating on my prior synopsis of Christianity nor my contemplation on how one is to live up to such a man--void of sin.

To even attempt to live up to such a man isn't feasible in the normal sense, it provides a plethora of challenges to overcome.

No matter where you are, you'll recieve ridicule, stress, obstacles, and questions about your faith you struggle to answer.

All these things combine to make the Christian lifestyle challenging for many, although it's not universal--so says my compulsion to never make generalizations about groups of people.

So yeah, something like that, I'd copy the original post in a spoiler or something, but I'm so fucking tired and lazy today, I'm not feeling really...what's the word...intricate.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, and Christians are very different from each other, although belief in Christ is fundamental, interpretaion differs.

Therefore, Christians are like snowflakes--they're all different shapes and sizes, but they're all made of snow.

Intricacy rising? Nah.
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Postby Yootopia » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Wilgrove wrote:I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?

The same thing as in every other country - following Leviticus' stupit rules.

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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:23 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?


There can be plenty of things. Keeping to your churches interpretation of how the Bible says you should live your life for a start, and national statistics can be very deceiving, as that doesn't mean that the numbers are the same in every city, or even in every neighbourhood. And that doesn't mean you wont suffer from ridicule or hatred, even if the majority of people are Christian in your area.


I already addressed the rules and the lifestyle imposed on the church. If I were to sign up to a religion that required me to whip my backs five times a day, and I freely chose that religion, would you really say I deserve sympathy?

As for the hatred, etc. Honestly it seems to me like Christians are the one doing most of the hating, against Pagans, against Homosexuals, against liberals, etc. Also, Christians hating on Christians because they got the wrong denomination is all done in house. They bring it upon themselves.

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Postby Hydesland » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:25 pm

Wilgrove wrote: and I freely chose that religion, would you really say I deserve sympathy?


People rarely freely choose what religion they are. And even if they do, that doesn't mean that when they make the choice they can't acknowledge that it will be difficult.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:26 pm

Trying to justify it with the Values of the United States and its laws...

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Postby H N Fiddlebottoms VIII » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:28 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:Following a bunch of religious rules is harder than not following a bunch of religious rules. I'm not sure what part of that concept is difficult for you to grasp, but try running the words around your head for awhile.


I think most of those religious rules are self imposed. I mean you choose to be a Christian, there forth you looked at the rules, and say "Hey, I can follow this."

One doesn't choose their religion like a hat. You can't just walk around and say, "Hm... Jews can't eat pork, but they do have an excuse to get white guy dreadlocks. BUT Muslims get to be all angsty about the War on Terror and stuff. Tough decision, tough decision."
Wilgrove wrote:However, I am talking about being a Christian in USA's society.

And? Voluntarily taking a bunch of rules on to yourself, rules which aren't generally obeyed (The sort of person who checks the Christian box on a census and an actual, practicing Christian are two very different things), and rules that will probably cause you to be mocked by others, that's difficult.
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Fassitude wrote:Are you honestly trying to argue that animals continue to be slaughtered lest we slaughter them because we wouldn't slaughter them?

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Postby Rhodmhire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:29 pm

Maurepas wrote:Trying to justify it with the Values of the United States and its laws...


Theocracy makes that pain go away.

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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:32 pm

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:One doesn't choose their religion like a hat. You can't just walk around and say, "Hm... Jews can't eat pork, but they do have an excuse to get white guy dreadlocks. BUT Muslims get to be all angsty about the War on Terror and stuff. Tough decision, tough decision."


However, one can leave a religion that (s)he doesn't agree with. It's really not that hard. Hell I just stopped going to Church.

And? Voluntarily taking a bunch of rules on to yourself, rules which aren't generally obeyed (The sort of person who checks the Christian box on a census and an actual, practicing Christian are two very different things), and rules that will probably cause you to be mocked by others, that's difficult.


Ok, how often are Christians actually mocked? Here's a little experiment I'd want you and anyone else to try. Next time you're out in public, count how many Crucifix or Crosses you see, and then count how many other religious symbols you see.

Here's a list of them

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Postby Hydesland » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:32 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Ok, how often are Christians actually mocked?


... Did you ever go to school?
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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:33 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Wilgrove wrote: and I freely chose that religion, would you really say I deserve sympathy?


People rarely freely choose what religion they are. And even if they do, that doesn't mean that when they make the choice they can't acknowledge that it will be difficult.


I'm talking about being a Christian in USA's society. Granted being Christians may be a personal struggle, but I'm not acknowledging that because A. you choose this path and B. Even if you didn't you can always leave.

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Postby Yootopia » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:33 pm

Wilgrove wrote:Ok, how often are Christians actually mocked?

Pretty regularly, but then they're an easy target due to being a largeish and pretty influential group. The reason people take the piss out of the smaller faiths is that they love to play the victim.

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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:34 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Ok, how often are Christians actually mocked?


... Did you ever go to school?


Yes, my school had a Bible Club, and we had prayers before every sporting events. Not exactly a hostile environment for Christians. Esp. considering I do live in the South.

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Postby Rhodmhire » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:34 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Ok, how often are Christians actually mocked?


... Did you ever go to school?


Christians?

I thought it was the gays that the sooociiiety school children made fun.
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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:35 pm

JuNii wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:In one of my other discussion forums that I frequent, a poster linked to this video of a guy who was "reborn", and he shared a song. Beside the video-blog quality of the video (Which is above webcam shows, but below web porn video productions), the guy said that it was hard to be a Christian. Honestly at that point I just stopped the video. Really? I'm going to assume that this guy is in the USA, (mainly because where else do you see this?). Christianity makes up 78.4% Source, last time I checked, that's a majority. What's so hard about being in the same religion as a majority? I could go off on a rant, but I won't.

I simply want to know, what is hard about being a Christian in the USA?


you're kidding... right?

look at the various threads here that derile, villify, and generally make fun of those who "beleive in the invisible man in the sky." Everytime someone speaks out against Homosexuality, Abortion, or any other social topic, they get called crazy Christians or other names.

look at the temptations out there, from sex, to Drugs, to material wealth

listen to the rants of those who claim to be Chrisitans as well as those who loudly proclaim their christian faith and listen to the replies.

yeah, Christianity may be the Majority, but that doesn't mean it's easy.


This is the internet, everyone is an asshole to everyone. Let's keep it to real life.

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