9 Trillion Dollar Debt = Compulsory Tax Burden + IncomeTax

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How will you pay your Compulsory Tax burden in the Comming Decade?

Serve 12 hours per week as a Fireman, Police officer, Nurse with Compulsory Training and Job Rotation through all three fields of labour.
13
17%
Serve 4 months per year in Afghanistan (or whatever future battlefield the USA decides is required) as a Frontline Soldier.
12
16%
Flee to Canada and be stripped of your Citizenship.
48
64%
Be stripped of your Citizenship and work as Slave Labour for Food Rations and shelter.
2
3%
 
Total votes : 75

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9 Trillion Dollar Debt = Compulsory Tax Burden + IncomeTax

Postby Almagarde » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:46 am

So the USA is aiming to increase its foreign debt to 9 trillion dollars by 2020AD. But this means that every citizen will apparently have a high tax burden that they must pay.

This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

What is the Solution?
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Postby Kashindahar » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:47 am

Legalise pot and tax the crap out of it.
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Postby Yootopia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:48 am

Is there no "just pay it" option?

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:49 am

Almagarde wrote:So the USA is aiming to increase its foreign debt to 9 trillion dollars by 2020AD. But this means that every citizen will apparently have a high tax burden that they must pay.

What is the Solution?


Bake sale. *nod*
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Postby Little Jim P » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:51 am

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Almagarde wrote:So the USA is aiming to increase its foreign debt to 9 trillion dollars by 2020AD. But this means that every citizen will apparently have a high tax burden that they must pay.

What is the Solution?


Bake sale. *nod*


Already suggested:
Kashindahar wrote:Legalise pot and tax the crap out of it.
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Postby Czardas » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:52 am

If you owe nine thousand dollars, you get your kneecaps broken in dark alleys. If you owe nine trillion dollars, you're leader of the free world.

I guess the US is just planning to test things to see how far it can stretch the debt = power equation.
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Postby Almagarde » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:54 am

Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

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Postby The Macabees » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:56 am

Prostitute myself to the leaders of the free world.

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Postby Yootopia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:56 am

Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-

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Postby The Macabees » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:03 am

Yootopia wrote:Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


You're talking about the U.S. Government. That debt does not include unfunded liabilities, either. The eventual number is going to be several times nine trillion U.S. Dollars.

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Postby Almagarde » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:04 am

Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less. The only way to do that is to improve your health, better your education, and get you off Alcohol, Cigarettes, and other Drugs.

Ideally it will be a totally managed Society in which you having Testicles tomorrow will be weighed against the Social and economic Beinfits of a Woman not being out of Work because you got her pregnant.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:06 am

Little Jim P wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Almagarde wrote:So the USA is aiming to increase its foreign debt to 9 trillion dollars by 2020AD. But this means that every citizen will apparently have a high tax burden that they must pay.

What is the Solution?


Bake sale. *nod*


Already suggested:
Kashindahar wrote:Legalise pot and tax the crap out of it.


Well spotted. :)
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Postby Yootopia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:06 am

Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less.

There's pretty clearly some Utterly Wasted Spending, though. Military spending absolutely does not need to be as high as it is, for one thing.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:07 am

Almagarde wrote:So the USA is aiming to increase its foreign debt to 9 trillion dollars by 2020AD. But this means that every citizen will apparently have a high tax burden that they must pay.

This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

What is the Solution?

I'm happy to see someone understands less about economics and international finance than I do.

The debt burden of the United States government is not divided up as a personal debt among its citizens. We, as individuals, are not required to contribute to the payment of that debt above and beyond our income tax liabilities. The only way the government can make individuals contribute to the servicing of the debt is to raise income tax or to impose other taxes and use that revenue to pay off the debt.

I do like the idea of a National Bake Sale, though.
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Postby The Macabees » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:07 am

Almagarde wrote:Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less.


Well,

#1 You can reduce spending in areas where it would not effect the maintenance of "infrastructure" (like the military budget, which should be shrunk by over five times, at the very least).

#2 Higher public spending tends to lower aggregate productivity, and so lower public spending would actually allow for greater investment in the private sector. There would be no loss in the labor force (and, government cannot create jobs, it can merely exchange private for public, but that is a topic I rather not get into because then all of NSG would descend on me like the plague).

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Postby Westeroth » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:07 am

Partition Texas, sell to highest foreign bidder.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:08 am

Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less.

There's pretty clearly some Utterly Wasted Spending, though. Military spending absolutely does not need to be as high as it is, for one thing.

Good luck implementing big cuts in military spending these days. We're at war! You hate Freedom! Think of the Children! :p
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Postby Yootopia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:09 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less.

There's pretty clearly some Utterly Wasted Spending, though. Military spending absolutely does not need to be as high as it is, for one thing.

Good luck implementing big cuts in military spending these days... You hate Freedom!

Yes. Yes I do. Whatcha gonna do about it ಠ_ಠ

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Postby Ordo Mallus » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:11 am

OR we can just not spend all this money on shitty stuff we don't need or things that won't work efficiently (like health care)?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:12 am

Yootopia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less.

There's pretty clearly some Utterly Wasted Spending, though. Military spending absolutely does not need to be as high as it is, for one thing.

Good luck implementing big cuts in military spending these days... You hate Freedom!

Yes. Yes I do. Whatcha gonna do about it ಠ_ಠ

Let me check. Yes, we'll have an invasion force in your area on the 13th. Does that day work for you? Or we could just bomb you for a few days. We could start that sooner, say ... on the 10th? ;)
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Postby Yootopia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:13 am

Ordo Mallus wrote:OR we can just not spend all this money on shitty stuff we don't need or things that won't work efficiently (like health care)?

In the UK we are all covered and we spend significantly less per head than the 80% or so of the American public which is insured, whilst still having better rates of infant mortality and the like.

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Ordo Mallus wrote:OR we can just not spend all this money on shitty stuff we don't need or things that won't work efficiently (like health care)?


You just dropped the H-bomb. Prepare to be flooded by NSG.

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Postby Yootopia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:15 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Almagarde wrote:
Yootopia wrote:Is there no "just pay it" option?


This is your compulsory tax burden. You still have Income Tax to pay. Otherwise you would all be paying fifty grand a year in tax...and those who cannot pay fifty grand a year in tax are tax cheats...better to subject you all to an equal increase in service based tax payment.

Err can the government not just cut spending and gradually pay it off -_-


Cutting Spending would lead to a decline in the maintenance of Infrastructure and Labourforce resulting in the collapse of the Tax Cycle. They need you to work more-not less.

There's pretty clearly some Utterly Wasted Spending, though. Military spending absolutely does not need to be as high as it is, for one thing.

Good luck implementing big cuts in military spending these days... You hate Freedom!

Yes. Yes I do. Whatcha gonna do about it ಠ_ಠ

Let me check. Yes, we'll have an invasion force in your area on the 13th. Does that day work for you? Or we could just bomb you for a few days. We could start that sooner, say ... on the 10th? ;)

Yes of course, because reducing the amount of military personnel in the forces gradually and cutting some of the Space Lasers Up The Arse programmes is going to make your homeland piss easy to attack by all of those credible enemies with a sizeable blue-water navy like... errr... wait...

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Postby The Macabees » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:15 am

Yootopia wrote:In the UK we are all covered and we spend significantly less per head than the 80% or so of the American public which is insured, whilst still having better rates of infant mortality and the like.


The UK doesn't have terribly inefficient social health care services like medicare and medicaid, which were our experiments with a "universal health care system".

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Postby Almagarde » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:15 am

Westeroth wrote:Partition Texas, sell to highest foreign bidder.


Only other option: Divide one million square miles of the USA into two acre properties, Build on them for a cost of 10 Trillion dollars a $10,000 house (based on the 1850s Pioneer House) but with a water tank with a year of Drink water for a family (20,000 litres) with a greywater fitration plant, a year of rations, Seedstock for growing your own food, and leave people to die as you bring the US population up to a billion over fifty years.

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