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Postby But » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:48 pm

In American politics, the generalization is that conservatives tend to be 'pro-life' while liberals tend to be 'pro-choice', and I think we're all well aware of that. However, that only pertains to the issue of abortion. People label themselves as pro-life, but then go on to support contradicting things like wars or cutting welfare spending. At least that's how I see it. For me, I'm more of a big picture guy, and I like to stay consistent. For me, pro-life is supporting the life of the mother, even if she does choose to have an abortion, and then protect and preserve the life that is already here and is producing for the economy. So, where do you think the line should be drawn? How do we distinguish between pro- and anti-life? Should these things even exist?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:49 pm

But wrote:In American politics, the generalization is that conservatives tend to be 'pro-life' while liberals tend to be 'pro-choice', and I think we're all well aware of that. However, that only pertains to the issue of abortion. People label themselves as pro-life, but then go on to support contradicting things like wars or cutting welfare spending. At least that's how I see it. For me, I'm more of a big picture guy, and I like to stay consistent. For me, pro-life is supporting the life of the mother, even if she does choose to have an abortion, and then protect and preserve the life that is already here and is producing for the economy. So, where do you think the line should be drawn? How do we distinguish between pro- and anti-life? Should these things even exist?


I think you're trying to change the language. Pro-life has only been used in abortion debates. It has no bearing in other political issues.
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Postby Thafoo » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:50 pm

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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:50 pm

If you ask Bluth, what we consider pro-life are freedom hating pro-death people, and anyone who supports abortion is the true pro-life.

I like his views, even if I don't agree.
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Postby But » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:51 pm

Exactly. But my question is why is that? It seems contradictory, at least to me. I think we shouldn't have such tight labels on just one issue.

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Postby Phocidaea » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:58 pm

"I think a half-developed fetus is the same as, if not more important than, a sapient adult human"
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Postby Enadail » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:00 pm

But wrote:Exactly. But my question is why is that? It seems contradictory, at least to me. I think we shouldn't have such tight labels on just one issue.


Except those are the labels created for the issue. Words and phrases can have different meaning in different context.

I can both weigh in on an issue (a topic) or have issue (children). Its not like if I'm talking about politics and say "the issue is moot", people will wonder why I'm saying my kids are moot.

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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:01 pm

But wrote:Exactly. But my question is why is that? It seems contradictory, at least to me. I think we shouldn't have such tight labels on just one issue.

Well we do, for almost everything.
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Postby But » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:13 pm

I realize this and I acknowledged it. Is it not contradictory, though? I disagree about the labels for everything, in fact I can't even think of other examples such as this.

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Postby Disserbia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:15 pm

I think the whole debate and resulting name calling is completely asinine.
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Postby But » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:18 pm

Disserbia wrote:I think the whole debate and resulting name calling is completely asinine.

Agreed. I fail to think why some politicians apply it to their agenda as a whole.

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Postby Nomelan » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:18 pm

For most Republicans "Pro-Life" typically means "Pro-birth, but then once you're born you're automatically a welfare-chugging anchor baby"

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:20 pm

Condunum wrote:If you ask Bluth, what we consider pro-life are freedom hating pro-death people, and anyone who supports abortion is the true pro-life.

I like his views, even if I don't agree.

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Postby Faolinn » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:25 pm

It's meant to be read as anti-choice considering the other stances the so called "pro-life" hold. They are more fond of death than just about any pro-choicer.
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Postby Phocidaea » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:26 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Condunum wrote:If you ask Bluth, what we consider pro-life are freedom hating pro-death people, and anyone who supports abortion is the true pro-life.

I like his views, even if I don't agree.

Bluth is full of shit, he can't even socialism right.


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Postby Oppressorion » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:28 pm

I suppose that I'm one of the few pro-lifers who tries to be in all aspects. Vegetarian, social services supporting, and pro-peace.
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But wrote:In American politics, the generalization is that conservatives tend to be 'pro-life' while liberals tend to be 'pro-choice', and I think we're all well aware of that. However, that only pertains to the issue of abortion. People label themselves as pro-life, but then go on to support contradicting things like wars or cutting welfare spending. At least that's how I see it. For me, I'm more of a big picture guy, and I like to stay consistent. For me, pro-life is supporting the life of the mother, even if she does choose to have an abortion, and then protect and preserve the life that is already here and is producing for the economy. So, where do you think the line should be drawn? How do we distinguish between pro- and anti-life? Should these things even exist?

well, I believe you are right, and, abortions should be legal. in fact, on the tv show,American Dad Stan said that abortion was the only way Republicans did not like to kill. I believe this is true. I also wonder, that, why do republicans start so many wars yet they are against fetuses, essentially a part of a mother's body, being aborted and removed?
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Postby Basque Socialist States » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:30 pm

Orwell is rolling over in his grave, thanks to terms like "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice." American politicians (and the general public for that matter) should say what they mean, instead of clouding their positions and polluting their language with these vaguely agreeable invented terms. You're not "pro-life," you're anti-abortion.
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Postby Liberated Counties » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:32 pm

If we're on about abortion, Pro life means that the baby has the right to exist. Well that's my Interpetation of it, I'm interested by everyone elses opinions though.
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Postby Varijnland » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:35 pm

"Pro-life" means against abortion (well, at least against certain cases of where a woman's life isn't threatend/When a woman had consensual, unprotected sex but wants an abortion. in my opinion anyway)

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Postby But » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:35 pm

Agree, and I applaud multiple religious institutions that maintain a respectful and consistent agenda that supports life. I can respect an anti-abortion view, I just disagree with it and think that the term pro-life is too broad for one topic. Wars, welfare, etc all pertain to "life" as well, but that's actual, productive humans, not fetuses.

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Postby New Aksarben » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:35 pm

yeah but politicians hate using negative sounding terms(at least when referring to themselves) because it gets them less support.
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Postby Phocidaea » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:35 pm

Oppressorion wrote:I suppose that I'm one of the few pro-lifers who tries to be in all aspects. Vegetarian, social services supporting, and pro-peace.


See, I can respect you more than I can respect either pro-choice veg(etari)ans or pro-lifers who support war and indiscriminate death penalties. You're not being a hypocrite.
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Postby Page » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:37 pm

Even if anti-choicers weren't hypocrites about things like capital punishment, war, people who carry fetuses in their bodies and other things, which they usually are, it is even more important to address the absurdity that somehow maximizing the amount of organisms sustaining biological function at any given time is a rational ethical stance.

There are people who are theoretically non-hypocritical, who claim for example to be consistently against abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, war, etc. but I don't understand their logic. There are 7 billion humans in the world, more born and dying every day. The life of an individual in the huge picture is not incredibly consequential.

That said, I do think sentient people have a right to continue living at will, but I justify this from my ethical belief in autonomy and not in maximizing biological process.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:37 pm

True Pro-Life is anti-abortion, anti-capital punishment anti-war.

Welfare spending =/= pro-life. That is not concerning the acts of killing.
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