It seems support for a troop increase in the middle east region has increased in the public. Is it because of Obama? Economy? Conservative Campaigning? Etc?
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All was dark when the armies surrounded the town. There was little bloodshed as they swept in, and they quickly took control. "Success," said a communicator, "a base has been established."
See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
It seems support for a troop increase in the middle east region has increased in the public. Is it because of Obama? Economy? Conservative Campaigning? Etc?
It is none of these. You trust a news station/Wall Street poll that suggests what the public opinion is? This looks to me like manipulation for the sake of the government's ever-changing agenda.
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Maurepas wrote:I dont, I think we should leave, immediately, we arent doing anything over there but dying and blowing lots and lots of money...
The money spent on the useless Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq could have funded Universal Healthcare in this country several times over...
I dont either. I also agree, the funds could be put to better and more useful uses. And people say Obama's policies are costing too much... sheesh, Look at Bush!
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Rhodmire wrote:4/5 for being bold enough to put up what looks like something made from MS Paint. That takes balls, and you've got them.
All was dark when the armies surrounded the town. There was little bloodshed as they swept in, and they quickly took control. "Success," said a communicator, "a base has been established."
Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
It is possible, it just takes time.
And money and lives... Lots of time, lots of money, lots of lives...
Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
It is possible, it just takes time.
Yeah, if we stay there a century, somehow, Im not really up for that, itd be a waste of time, money, and lives...
And even then, its not always possible, see: Ireland, India, the whole of European colonialism, etc...
Our military went berserk with spending during the cold war trying to keep up with the Russians. Even though the Soviet Union collapsed, our military spending has kept increasing. It's silly to pretend that Iraq was a threat to us and its silly to think that Saddam and Osama were organizing any sort of common plan to destroy us. We're just looking for fights now and the more time we spend occupying Iraq, the more enemies we make.
I still don't think its enough for Obama to risk it, unfortunately. I would like to see him agree to Gen McChrystal's requests but unfortunately withdrawal is the easier (but worse) option.
RoI3 wrote:Might aswell have said "Most Americans are fucking morons who support an illegal war".
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Soyut wrote:It's silly to pretend that Iraq was a threat to us and its silly to think that Saddam and Osama were organizing any sort of common plan to destroy us. We're just looking for fights now and the more time we spend occupying Iraq, the more enemies we make.
I used to think the same thing, but that simply isn't the case. Have you looked at Saddam's capabilities? or just exactly what we're up against in terms of Al-Qaeda?
There's a lot of information out there, a lot of it actually publicly viewable. Now, the problem is, in the Western World, we never see what goes on down there; not just military-wise, but what they do to each other, what they take for acceptable. Our media just doesn't show how they parade bloodied, blown-up babies the way Al-Jazeera would.
If you want to really know why we're in the Middle East, I recommend checking out a few of the offerings at MEMRI TV.
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Soyut wrote:Our military went berserk with spending during the cold war trying to keep up with the Russians. Even though the Soviet Union collapsed, our military spending has kept increasing. It's silly to pretend that Iraq was a threat to us and its silly to think that Saddam and Osama were organizing any sort of common plan to destroy us. We're just looking for fights now and the more time we spend occupying Iraq, the more enemies we make.
No, America and NATO have troops in the Middle East because terrorists exported their violence to our soil... multiple times.
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Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
But will it translate into accomplishing the mission, ending the war and bringing all our troops home in a reasonable time scale? Because decreasing casualties only goes so far when we're forced to commit to another decade in a war zone. Ya know? Maybe they're the same strategy and maybe they aren't. Personally, I know which one I want the President to base his decision on. Our troop casualties will decline quite sharply once they're out of Afghanistan.
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Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
It is possible, it just takes time.
Is it? Could you provide some examples of it being done?
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Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
It is possible, it just takes time.
Is it? Could you provide some examples of it being done?
Japan ? South Korea ?(though in fairness they did that on their own 30 years later). West Germany ?
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Parthenon wrote:See, unlike your run of the mill homefront liberal, the troops recognize that increased numbers translate into decreased causalities and violence (as demonstrated by the surge).
Yeah, in Iraq, where they recently bombed a building after declaring the blast wall no longer necessary,
You cant create a stable democracy at the point of a gun, especially not in this day and age...
It is possible, it just takes time.
Is it? Could you provide some examples of it being done?
Japan ? South Korea ?(though in fairness they did that on their own 30 years later). West Germany ?
Japan is probably the best such example. A nation that had centuries of dynastic rule suddenly embracing western democracy.
by Seculartopia » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:27 pm 
