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Postby JonathanAtopia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:25 pm

Walmart is planning a Black Friday strike just because the opening at 8pm Thanksgiving but all the other stores that on Thanksgiving workers are not complaining one bit even Target just found out

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/18/news/wa ... ck-friday/

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:36 pm

Without a union I fear this will be about as successful as Senior Cut Day.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:38 pm

I hope it happens but I don't have big hopes for it. I have bigger hopes for more Wal-Mart workers seeking to unionize. If any place of employment needs a union, it's Wal-Mart.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:40 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:I hope it happens but I don't have big hopes for it. I have bigger hopes for more Wal-Mart workers seeking to unionize. If any place of employment needs a union, it's Wal-Mart.

I heard, some time ago in an earlier thread about this, that that was the reason for the strike; To protest the essential ban of unionization of Walmart workers.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:43 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:I hope it happens but I don't have big hopes for it. I have bigger hopes for more Wal-Mart workers seeking to unionize. If any place of employment needs a union, it's Wal-Mart.

I heard, some time ago in an earlier thread about this, that that was the reason for the strike; To protest the essential ban of unionization of Walmart workers.

I worked there for a little over a year. We had to sit through a series of videos as part of our training. One of the videos was about 20 minutes long and devoted to how much Unions suck.
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Postby JonathanAtopia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:46 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I heard, some time ago in an earlier thread about this, that that was the reason for the strike; To protest the essential ban of unionization of Walmart workers.

I worked there for a little over a year. We had to sit through a series of videos as part of our training. One of the videos was about 20 minutes long and devoted to how much Unions suck.


Well Occupy Wall Street is trying to donate the give Walmart workers strikeing food and money to plan railles and other things so I think Occupy Wall Street is coming back and tell us Desperate Measures more about this training video

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Postby Imsogone » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:50 pm

I avoid Wal-Mart like the plague. If they want to strike, I may join them just to protest the store's tacky products. As far as I can see Wal-Mart provides only one useful service - it's a gathering place for people who are products of generations of dedicated inbreeding thus making it easy to avoid them.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:51 pm

JonathanAtopia wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:I worked there for a little over a year. We had to sit through a series of videos as part of our training. One of the videos was about 20 minutes long and devoted to how much Unions suck.


Well Occupy Wall Street is trying to donate the give Walmart workers strikeing food and money to plan railles and other things so I think Occupy Wall Street is coming back and tell us Desperate Measures more about this training video

Tried to find a copy of it but can't so far. Target has one that is so far (about 2 minutes in) remarkably similar. Lot's about the "open door" policy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqOxmb34yc

Found this:
Man 1:"Walmart respects you. Respects you and what you contribute to the company"

Julie: "That money and respect that's good"

Man 1: "Heh heh, lot's of respect. Back when I was in a union I was just a number"

Julie:"OK then what's a union do for you?"

Man 2: "Uh If a union comes in all it can do is negotiate and ask for things. Negotiate contracts."

Julie: "hmmm"

Man 1: "And Julie, if a union got in here, every benefit we got could go on the negotiating table. Every one of them. And with all our benefits we risk losing a lot"
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:12 pm

What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.
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Postby Ptarsu » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:15 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.

I agree, I have to be at my store four in the fucking morning.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:15 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:28 pm

Bring in the troops and arrest the hooligans!

No, in all seriousness, if workers want to unionize they should have that right. If management wants to fire them all and hire scabs, that's their right too. Let the two figure it out on their own.

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Postby Acrainia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:14 pm

Earth to strikers, you are not a skilled laborer.

If your job can be filled easily by a 16 year old immigrant, striking is not a good idea.

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Postby Ptarsu » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:21 pm

Acrainia wrote:Earth to strikers, you are not a skilled laborer.

If your job can be filled easily by a 16 year old immigrant, striking is not a good idea.

Yeah, so bend over and take it like a man!

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Postby Manahakatouki » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:23 pm

I think this is a commendable idea...

I don't like Black Friday personally, and as Nath stated, I don't think we should do it at all, if we want to voice our opinion...
And so it was, that I had never changed.

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Postby United Kingdom of Muffins » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:29 pm

Imsogone wrote:I avoid Wal-Mart like the plague. If they want to strike, I may join them just to protest the store's tacky products. As far as I can see Wal-Mart provides only one useful service - it's a gathering place for people who are products of generations of dedicated inbreeding thus making it easy to avoid them.

My grandparents shop at Walmart and they are millionaries :p ,but I do not support this because it won't work well for any one who tries it ie fired. Also if you work at Walmart you should just give up on being recongized as a human.
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Postby Miss Defied » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:36 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.

If the stores didn't incentivize shopping at those ridiculous times,
"Early Bird Special! 60" plasma for $75!"
there wouldn't be a demand.
This is the illusion retail outlets perpetuate. They create an artificial demand and then say, "But look, there's a demand. That's the only reason we do it!"
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Postby greed and death » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:41 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.


Now they are going the exact opposite route. They wont pay over 40 hours a week and they will force you to clock out before you hit the mark.

After the employer mandate goes into affect the magic number becomes 32 hours a week, to avoid paying for insurance.
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Postby Skibereen » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:34 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:Bring in the troops and arrest the hooligans!

No, in all seriousness, if workers want to unionize they should have that right. If management wants to fire them all and hire scabs, that's their right too. Let the two figure it out on their own.

They arent technically scabs until the Union is in place, and it is the employers right to fire the employees /before/ a contract has been agreed to that says otherwise. So wal-Mart already has that option, what they are afraid of is collective bargaining power.


As to the poster who took it upon himself to insult those who shop at wal-mart, well, it must be nice to not need to budget for yourself and your family -- however given the pricing at wal mart with regards to grocery items its hardly uncompetative.
Properly researched purchasing demonstrates that the products(groceries) sold in wla mart are equal in nutritional content to any products found at high end retailers like Wholefoods -- who merely target a different demographic with Mythology marketing about the process of food production and nutritional quality in the US.

So very well, Walmart customers may indeed by the Slackjawwed masses, but they are the Slacked Jawwed masses getting a better price for the exact same quality product as the Dead Eyed Dilitants of Dumbfuckery who look down upon them--and in that equation that makes them the second slowest in a two man race to idiot land.


As to the poster who suggests those employed at Walmart are sub-human, you are a sad and pathetic individual. The large numbers of retired people who find work to supplement their disgustingly social security(in a land of abundance) yes these people who build the nation you plod your pittiful self around in now so smugly, they are certainly far more human, deserving of respect and defference than you and those of your wretched ilk. Or the young people who get their first jobs there, yes productive youth looking to better themselves by their own efforts rather than daddies dime...I doubt you are worthy of cleaning their shoes.

And sub-human, Wal-Mart takes the tax break for hiring the mentally handicapped, perhaps in this group you may find some kindred spirits...but then theirs is a crippling of the mind by fate, yours is a crippling of the heart by your own pathetic design...so even among them the title of pariah would be a kingly gift in your case.


I dont care if its flaming - Basic lack of compassion for the weakest among us is disgusting.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:39 pm

Skibereen wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Bring in the troops and arrest the hooligans!

No, in all seriousness, if workers want to unionize they should have that right. If management wants to fire them all and hire scabs, that's their right too. Let the two figure it out on their own.

They arent technically scabs until the Union is in place, and it is the employers right to fire the employees /before/ a contract has been agreed to that says otherwise. So wal-Mart already has that option, what they are afraid of is collective bargaining power.


As to the poster who took it upon himself to insult those who shop at wal-mart, well, it must be nice to not need to budget for yourself and your family -- however given the pricing at wal mart with regards to grocery items its hardly uncompetative.
Properly researched purchasing demonstrates that the products(groceries) sold in wla mart are equal in nutritional content to any products found at high end retailers like Wholefoods -- who merely target a different demographic with Mythology marketing about the process of food production and nutritional quality in the US.

So very well, Walmart customers may indeed by the Slackjawwed masses, but they are the Slacked Jawwed masses getting a better price for the exact same quality product as the Dead Eyed Dilitants of Dumbfuckery who look down upon them--and in that equation that makes them the second slowest in a two man race to idiot land.


As to the poster who suggests those employed at Walmart are sub-human, you are a sad and pathetic individual. The large numbers of retired people who find work to supplement their disgustingly social security(in a land of abundance) yes these people who build the nation you plod your pittiful self around in now so smugly, they are certainly far more human, deserving of respect and defference than you and those of your wretched ilk. Or the young people who get their first jobs there, yes productive youth looking to better themselves by their own efforts rather than daddies dime...I doubt you are worthy of cleaning their shoes.

And sub-human, Wal-Mart takes the tax break for hiring the mentally handicapped, perhaps in this group you may find some kindred spirits...but then theirs is a crippling of the mind by fate, yours is a crippling of the heart by your own pathetic design...so even among them the title of pariah would be a kingly gift in your case.


I dont care if its flaming - Basic lack of compassion for the weakest among us is disgusting.


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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:42 pm

Skibereen wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Bring in the troops and arrest the hooligans!

No, in all seriousness, if workers want to unionize they should have that right. If management wants to fire them all and hire scabs, that's their right too. Let the two figure it out on their own.

They arent technically scabs until the Union is in place, and it is the employers right to fire the employees /before/ a contract has been agreed to that says otherwise. So wal-Mart already has that option, what they are afraid of is collective bargaining power.


As to the poster who took it upon himself to insult those who shop at wal-mart, well, it must be nice to not need to budget for yourself and your family -- however given the pricing at wal mart with regards to grocery items its hardly uncompetative.
Properly researched purchasing demonstrates that the products(groceries) sold in wla mart are equal in nutritional content to any products found at high end retailers like Wholefoods -- who merely target a different demographic with Mythology marketing about the process of food production and nutritional quality in the US.

So very well, Walmart customers may indeed by the Slackjawwed masses, but they are the Slacked Jawwed masses getting a better price for the exact same quality product as the Dead Eyed Dilitants of Dumbfuckery who look down upon them--and in that equation that makes them the second slowest in a two man race to idiot land.


As to the poster who suggests those employed at Walmart are sub-human, you are a sad and pathetic individual. The large numbers of retired people who find work to supplement their disgustingly social security(in a land of abundance) yes these people who build the nation you plod your pittiful self around in now so smugly, they are certainly far more human, deserving of respect and defference than you and those of your wretched ilk. Or the young people who get their first jobs there, yes productive youth looking to better themselves by their own efforts rather than daddies dime...I doubt you are worthy of cleaning their shoes.

And sub-human, Wal-Mart takes the tax break for hiring the mentally handicapped, perhaps in this group you may find some kindred spirits...but then theirs is a crippling of the mind by fate, yours is a crippling of the heart by your own pathetic design...so even among them the title of pariah would be a kingly gift in your case.


I dont care if its flaming - Basic lack of compassion for the weakest among us is disgusting.


I concur. We talk trash about Wal-Mart but let's be honest: Wal-Mart offers employment and cheap goods to people who need/want jobs and can't afford to go to other places.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:47 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.

Or, you know, the employees can strike and we can still shop. With no staff to handle it and too much customers, well, I think I will partake in brewing a massive shitstorm.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:49 pm

Norstal wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:What's chiefly needed here, is for people to NOT support this shit, by NOT going out and shopping on the goram holiday, nor supporting ridiculous hours that some of these stores put their workers through just to make a few more bucks.

If there weren't a demand for it, it wouldn't be an issue.

Or, you know, the employees can strike and we can still shop. With no staff to handle it and too much customers, well, I think I will partake in brewing a massive shitstorm.

Are you referring to looting? Are we looting?
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Wisconsin9 wrote:
Norstal wrote:Or, you know, the employees can strike and we can still shop. With no staff to handle it and too much customers, well, I think I will partake in brewing a massive shitstorm.

Are you referring to looting? Are we looting?

No? I hope you said that in jest, but we can only show Wal-Mart that they can't make profits despite the number of customers if they have no one to run their stores.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:54 pm

Norstal wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Are you referring to looting? Are we looting?

No? I hope you said that in jest, but we can only show Wal-Mart that they can't make profits despite the number of customers if they have no one to run their stores.

Of course it was in jest. *hides burning trashcan*
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