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Enforcement of the Idea of Evolution/Creationism

Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:02 am

I have always believed in Evolution, and briefly, both Creationism and Evolution. In my youth, I always took it as a given that people accepted Evolution, and repeatedly, had been proven wrong, and severely damaged some relationships as a result.

For those of you out of the loop, Evolution is the theory that creatures evolve, or change through mutations with unique traits surviving long enough to mate and have offspring, into other creatures and that we can all be traced back to one common ancestor. (Referring to all as every species known to man.) Creationism is the belief that God (or whatever spiritual Lord you have in your religion) had placed us, as we were, on the planet.

So NSG, I guess what I am trying to ask is, "Is Creationism/Evolution thought of as true in your community, and if so, how strongly?"

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:10 am

Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists. I don't treat it as fact, but rather as the most likely explanation/factor.
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Postby Laerod » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:13 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists. I don't treat it as fact, but rather as the most likely explanation/factor.

What is "evolutionism"?

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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:15 am

Laerod wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists. I don't treat it as fact, but rather as the most likely explanation/factor.

What is "evolutionism"?

I believe NSK is using the definition I used in the OP.

Evolution is the theory that creatures evolve, or change through mutations with unique traits surviving long enough to mate and have offspring, into other creatures and that we can all be traced back to one common ancestor.
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Postby Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:17 am

Most people here are christian and socially conservative, but generally they all adhere to evolution though, quite strongly as well. In fact, I don't think I even know any creationists, aside from a few fanatical jehovah witnesses a while back.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:17 am

Laerod wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists. I don't treat it as fact, but rather as the most likely explanation/factor.

What is "evolutionism"?

Hmm?
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Postby Laerod » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:19 am

Crumlark wrote:
Laerod wrote:What is "evolutionism"?

I believe NSK is using the definition I used in the OP.

He or she really shouldn't. "Evolutionism" is a derogatory term coined by creationists.

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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:20 am

Minarchist Territory of Pineland wrote:Most people here are christian and socially conservative, but generally they all adhere to evolution though, quite strongly as well. In fact, I don't think I even know any creationists, aside from a few fanatical jehovah witnesses a while back. And

Interesting. The few Jehovah's Witnesses I know invest their beliefs in Evolution.
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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:21 am

Laerod wrote:
Crumlark wrote:I believe NSK is using the definition I used in the OP.

He or she really shouldn't. "Evolutionism" is a derogatory term coined by creationists.

I was not aware of that. Care to elaborate for me?
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:22 am

Whether you accept evolution or not; it's still true.

In essence you're asking whether or not people in your community are educated or are ignorant.
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Postby The De Danann Nation » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:23 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists. I don't treat it as fact, but rather as the most likely explanation/factor.


Since atheist don't believe that there is a magic guy in the sky who gives you pie when you die and usually go for scientific evidence over religious mumbo-jumbo,of course evolution would be accepted by them.It is a widely proven theory.

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Postby NERVUN » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:26 am

I'm getting rather tired of having to explain to my Japanese neighbors just why many people of the most advanced and powerful nation on earth don't accept evolution.

I.e. You'd be hard pressed to find people in Japan who don't accept it.
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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:26 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Whether you accept evolution or not; it's still true.

In essence you're asking whether or not people in your community are educated or are ignorant.

Well, Creationism is a pretty big part of religion. I myself am an Atheist.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:29 am

Crumlark wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Whether you accept evolution or not; it's still true.

In essence you're asking whether or not people in your community are educated or are ignorant.

Well, Creationism is a pretty big part of religion. I myself am an Atheist.

Religion and Creationism do not have to go hand in hand. Believing in God does not mean you have to believe what man says about God.
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Postby Madda » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:30 am

I'm not sure what I believe. I am a Christian, but the existence of evolution doesn't mean the nonexistence of a God, so I'm pretty open on that.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:31 am

Laerod wrote:
Crumlark wrote:I believe NSK is using the definition I used in the OP.

He or she really shouldn't. "Evolutionism" is a derogatory term coined by creationists.

It's more of a colloquial term I like to use. I'm an atheist by the way.
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Postby Crumlark » Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:32 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Crumlark wrote:Well, Creationism is a pretty big part of religion. I myself am an Atheist.

Religion and Creationism do not have to go hand in hand. Believing in God does not mean you have to believe what man says about God.

Good observation. May I add that to the OP?
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Postby Minarchist Territory of Pineland » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:16 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Crumlark wrote:Well, Creationism is a pretty big part of religion. I myself am an Atheist.

Religion and Creationism do not have to go hand in hand. Believing in God does not mean you have to believe what man says about God.


This is true.

I describe myself as a theist, but I treat the bible as a collection of metaphors written by people trying to understand the world around them, before any scientific advancement, and not to be taken literally.

We know more on certain things now, that we did even 100 years ago. Yet alone more than a 1000. That's just the way things work. We live life forward, but only really understand it backwards.

Not that we need to give up our belief systems, we just need to modernize it with the evolving social context.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:28 am

Meh. I don't understand why one can't accept both, within the framework available. Bear with me here.

Both say life began in the waters, then the land, then the air. Neither has an absolute answer to 'how it all began' if you get right down to it. If one is serious about their religious beliefs, one must accept that we're here to learn, grow - gasp - adapt, and that's what evolution basically is when you get right down to it. Adapting to an ever-changing environment. One also has to accept that if there is a higher power, there is order to the universe - and that means rules/laws. This is where science comes into play. Shouldn't be any surprise that things work the way they do, in a scientifically proven manner.

I've been up half the night on short sleep, so pardon the rambling and all but jebus - it's silly for people to get as bent out of shape about all this as they do. Especially when, if looked at somewhat rationally, both sides do not necessarily need to be in contention with one another.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:29 am

Evolution is accepted by everyone I know in my town, except the occasional american tourist and the jehovahs.
A campaign went around recently to have everyone de-list from the local jehovah churches visiting rounds as a retaliation for preaching creationism at people, they didnt like it much, but tough, I suppose.
Theres about as much social pressure on creationists to conform as there are for the "Elvis is alive!" crowd, or the "I was abducted by aliens."
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Postby The Realm of God » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:40 am

I am a Gnostic adherent of the theory of evolution. Meaning it's true end of.......If it wasn't we wouldn't have to make a new influenza vaccine every year.

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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:01 am

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Both say life began in the waters, then the land, then the air.


Both? Where in the "debate between sheep and grain" or "Rangi and Papa" creation stories does it say life began kn the waters?
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:06 am

As for my current community, a small college town in rural Iowa, it's split. The split does tend to run along education levels, but not completely.
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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:07 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Evolutionism is generally accepted as fact by most of the atheists I know, and 90% of the people I know are atheists. I don't treat it as fact, but rather as the most likely explanation/factor.

Evolution is a fact as much as the fact that atoms exist. We can even observe speciation amongst fruit flys in the modern era, nevermind the countless other examples.

If you accept that the world you live in is real, there is no reason why you shouldnt accept evolution as a fact.

Now in my community most people I am aware of beleive in evolution.
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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:10 am

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Meh. I don't understand why one can't accept both, within the framework available. Bear with me here.

Both say life began in the waters, then the land, then the air. Neither has an absolute answer to 'how it all began' if you get right down to it. If one is serious about their religious beliefs, one must accept that we're here to learn, grow - gasp - adapt, and that's what evolution basically is when you get right down to it. Adapting to an ever-changing environment. One also has to accept that if there is a higher power, there is order to the universe - and that means rules/laws. This is where science comes into play. Shouldn't be any surprise that things work the way they do, in a scientifically proven manner.

I've been up half the night on short sleep, so pardon the rambling and all but jebus - it's silly for people to get as bent out of shape about all this as they do. Especially when, if looked at somewhat rationally, both sides do not necessarily need to be in contention with one another.
When you have faith vs reason, there is a direct conflict. Accepting something without good evidence for it is not a good reason to beleive in anything. Whilst there COULD be a creator that directed evolution/created the laws of reality that science can observe, without any evidence for it there is no good reason to beleive that this is the case, no more so than to beleive a council of invisible leprechauns creates rain by dancing above your toilet.
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