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Officer 'threatened' by naked man... shoots to kill.

Postby JuNii » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:30 pm

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MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Classmates and friends are questioning why a police officer fatally shot a University of South Alabama freshman who was naked and had been banging on a window at police headquarters.

Campus officials didn't give any indication that Gil Collar, 18, of Wetumpka had a weapon when he was shot. A university spokesman said he was fatally wounded about 1:30 a.m. Saturday after an officer heard a bang on a window and went outside to investigate.

A statement issued by university spokesman Keith Ayers said Collar, who wrestled at Wetumpka High School before enrolling at South Alabama, assumed a "fighting stance" and chased an officer before being shot. The officer tried to retreat numerous times to defuse the situation before opening fire, the school said.

But sophomore Tyler Kendrick said campus authorities haven't provided any satisfying answers about why Collar was killed.

"Really, it just upsets me that there's no other way to apprehend an unarmed student rather than shooting him. I don't understand that," Kendrick said.

Student Joshua Frye said it seemed the officer could have used something other than a firearm to stop Collar.

"What I feel is that a cop has more than a gun," he said.

The officer was placed on paid leave, and an autopsy will determine if drugs or alcohol were involved.

Campus officials said the confrontation was recorded by security cameras. The video and other information has been turned over to the district attorney and the Mobile County Sheriff's Office, which will review the shooting.

Colgan Meanor went to high school with Collar and then enrolled at the same college.

"He was a great, loving guy who always made people smile," she said. "He's not the kind of guy that people knew him and said he would do something like this."

Collar was the second person killed on the South Alabama campus since last year.

A university freshman was charged with murder in the fatal stabbing of another teenager who was slain in an on-campus apartment in July 2011. The victim was a visitor to campus and was not enrolled, authorities said.

Ayers said South Alabama, located near downtown Mobile, was still "a very safe campus," despite Collar's death.


... so a police officer went to investigate a naked man pounding on the window at Police station, assumed a 'fighting stance' and apparently chased the officer a bit before being shot...

yeah... I think either drugs or alcohol was involved somewhere... but do you think this was a justified shooting?

for me, with the amount of information given... I would have to say yes... but that depends on what else an investigation turns up.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:32 pm

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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:32 pm

He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.
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Postby Creative Vikings » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:36 pm

Ralkovia wrote:I'm betting he was probably a Pledge. He got fucked and good.

Sure does explain the lack of modesty.


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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:36 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.


That depends on physical size and nerve suppression.

And if the cop kept running back, it seems like he didn't have any viable non-lethal options.

Taser projectiles seem like a good investment now.
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Postby Ralkovia » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:37 pm

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Ralkovia wrote:I'm betting he was probably a Pledge. He got fucked and good.

Sure does explain the lack of modesty.


Indeed. We'll probably find out he was a pledge. He was a freshmen after all.
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Postby Imperial Arcand » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:39 pm

JuNii wrote:for me, with the amount of information given... I would have to say yes... but that depends on what else an investigation turns up.


. . . wut?

I agree with you, I mean, everyday many policeman and women are losing their lives to naked university students . .
. . if only there were another way to stop such offenders. Such as a gun that fires electricity, or a spray that could also be used as a [very nasty] food condiment.
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:40 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.


Drugs can make people capable of some scary shit. Don't you remember the dude in Miami who ate a guy's face and took six bullets before going down?

However, more LTL options should be available to officers, I agree.
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Postby Aksun » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:40 pm

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Well the difficulty was not on Legendary, so yeah it is NOT too late.
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:41 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.

This.

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Postby Aksun » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:41 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.


Drugs can make people capable of some scary shit. Don't you remember the dude in Miami who ate a guy's face and took six bullets before going down?



Correct me if I am wrong, but LSD was the drug that did that right? So if the student was naked then the odds are he had a drug that made him hot.
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:42 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.


That depends on physical size and nerve suppression.

And if the cop kept running back, it seems like he didn't have any viable non-lethal options.

Taser projectiles seem like a good investment now.

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Not sure how it is down in the States, but here in Canada security professionals and police are required to learn PPCT's, in addition to other non-lethal ways of taking someone to the ground with their bare hands. No taser, pepper spray, or even baton required.

Also, if the cop went outside with his gun, at night, he should have taken at least his flashlight.
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Postby Ralkovia » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:43 pm

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Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.


Drugs can make people capable of some scary shit. Don't you remember the dude in Miami who ate a guy's face and took six bullets before going down?

However, more LTL options should be available to officers, I agree.


So does pledging.

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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:43 pm

Aksun wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but LSD was the drug that did that right? So if the student was naked then the odds are he had a drug that made him hot.


Autopsy only turned up cannabis, oddly enough. Either way, it's impossible for an officer to know exactly what someone's on, only that they're naked in public and charging them.
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Postby Nationstatelandsville » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:44 pm

A brilliant example of police responsibility and good judgment - an idol for his fellows to aspire to.

On that note, let's book 'em.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:47 pm

I'd rather wait for more information, but from how it sounds, the officer tried to get him to stop, repeatedly, and he responded with his most readily available option. Whether or not that's justified is to be determined. Perhaps he could have used less force.
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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:47 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Aksun wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but LSD was the drug that did that right? So if the student was naked then the odds are he had a drug that made him hot.


Autopsy only turned up cannabis, oddly enough. Either way, it's impossible for an officer to know exactly what someone's on, only that they're naked in public and charging them.


So he didn't take enough weed to save his life and chill, but just enough to impair brain function to the point that he charges butt nekkid at an officer with a pistol.

As a person with experience with potheads, that doesn't add up.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:48 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:
Aksun wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but LSD was the drug that did that right? So if the student was naked then the odds are he had a drug that made him hot.


Autopsy only turned up cannabis, oddly enough. Either way, it's impossible for an officer to know exactly what someone's on, only that they're naked in public and charging them.


In a situation like that, it's best to assume that they're on something that will make them much more difficult to apprehend, such as angel dust.
Edit: And can we chalk this one up to "Reefer madness"?
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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:48 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Hi, welcome to self-defense 101. First lesson: Pressure Point Control Techniques.

Not sure how it is down in the States, but here in Canada security professionals and police are required to learn PPCT's, in addition to other non-lethal ways of taking someone to the ground with their bare hands. No taser, pepper spray, or even baton required.

Also, if the cop went outside with his gun, at night, he should have taken at least his flashlight.


Have fun trying to go hand-to-hand with someone hopped up on so many drugs that they're capable of throwing their own intestines at you...

Not saying that's what happened here, but from the officer's point of view, it's certainly likely that the subject was under the influence of something pretty powerful, and all he could quantify was that they were combative.
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Postby Leonische » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:51 pm

Maybe a bit overreaction, but he threatened an officer after all. If a naked man is running at me, I'll be scared like shit and trow anything close to my hand at him; and if I appear to have a gun, I wouldn't be calm enough to consider another option.

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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:52 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:
Autopsy only turned up cannabis, oddly enough. Either way, it's impossible for an officer to know exactly what someone's on, only that they're naked in public and charging them.


So he didn't take enough weed to save his life and chill, but just enough to impair brain function to the point that he charges butt nekkid at an officer with a pistol.

As a person with experience with potheads, that doesn't add up.


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I'm speaking of the Miami incident, not necessarily this one. I'm just going by what the ME said.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:57 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
The Grand World Order wrote:
Autopsy only turned up cannabis, oddly enough. Either way, it's impossible for an officer to know exactly what someone's on, only that they're naked in public and charging them.


So he didn't take enough weed to save his life and chill, but just enough to impair brain function to the point that he charges butt nekkid at an officer with a pistol.

As a person with experience with potheads, that doesn't add up.


As a person who's admitted experience with the drug in question, it happens.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:55 am

Charge of manslaughter most likely and most deservedly.

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Postby Norstal » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:04 am

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:He was naked.

That immediately invalidates any claims of being threatening. No weapons and either drunk or on drugs, and also naked with his gangly bits exposed? Yeah, not going to be a problem for a trained professional.

A naked man was able to eat someone's face.

Shit people, we just had this problem a few months ago. How short is your attention span?
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