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When/How much will the diversity of US Presidents increase?

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Which of these will we see LAST (or NEVER)?

Female US President
4
5%
Homosexual US President
14
17%
Asian-American US President
2
2%
Hispanic-American US President
1
1%
Middle-Eastern American US President
9
11%
Atheist US President
18
22%
Jewish US President
2
2%
Muslim US President
21
25%
Hindu US President
12
14%
 
Total votes : 83

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When/How much will the diversity of US Presidents increase?

Postby Denecaep » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:45 pm

So, miraculously enough, in 2008, the USA elected someone who was one half not Caucasian. I phrase it that way, because it shows that it shouldn't have been as big of a deal as it was; but it was, because that WAS a big step for America.

My question to you, NSG, is when will the US pass other boundaries? Are there some qualities that will never be present in a US President? Could the US ever elect an atheist president, or even a Muslim president? A Chinese President?

The obvious soonest glass ceiling to destroy is the idea of a woman president. How soon do you think that will happen? Will it be a Republican or Democrat? Even though Democrats are nearly always seen as more progressive, could you see any boundaries being broken by Republicans?

Here's some articles to get you thinking.

http://www.themessenger.info/content/so ... ted-states
Can An Atheist Be President?
If there were to be an atheist candidate for President, the American people would need to be engaged in a national conversation about the fundamentals of the Constitution, and taught how it protects their sectarian survival by protecting against the establishment of any other. Religious fanatics need to be reminded that it is not the privilege of L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, the Pope, Martin Luther, an Ayatollah, Kryon, Deepak Chopra, or any other “spiritual authority” to mandate what they, and the rest of the people of the United States are to believe or not. People have the right to believe whatever they want, and to adhere to any religion they want, no matter how irrational it might be. And they also have the right not to believe.

Atheism is good for America and good for religion. It pushes back. It challenges religious ignorance, forcing people of faith to consider what they believe, and to affirm it or not. It demands that religion be divorced from its encroachment on the state, for the sake of all the people.

Certainly an atheist can be President. And that is no joke.


http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/c ... ates/42723
Can A Woman Be President?
The reality is, we’re not moved by what happens in other countries. We can call that American exceptionalism, meaning we’re special and we have our own way of doing things. This is certainly a view embraced by our Supreme Court and from time to time Congress too. But, it also seeps into our national consciousness—we weren’t the first nation to abolish slavery—it took us a while … we were special. Equally there isn’t a great record of women’s suffrage prior to the 1800s, only a few states within the U.S. allowed women the right to vote prior to 1920, despite the fact that other nations were moving in that direction (as early as 1718, women were casting votes in Finland).

That brings me to Michele Bachmann. Earlier today, Bachmann pulled out of the Republican race for the presidency. Two years ago, she began campaigning for the POTUS office, hoping to become the first woman to be elected to that post. More adept at answering questions about the literature she reads (i.e. she could name several newspapers without claiming such inquiries were “gotcha” interrogations) than Sarah Palin, she was an early Tea Party favorite. As it turned out, she was more like the flavor of the week, with Herman Cain the follow-up taste. After coming in last in the Iowa Caucus, Bachmann decided to surrender the field to the boys.


http://www.quora.com/U-S-Politics/How-l ... an-descent
Can an Asian-American, Hispanic-American, or Native American be President?
Despite the noble sentiments espoused by the other answerers of this question the fact is that it will likely be at least 12-16 years for a Latino American (unless they are a woman and depending on how the immigration reform situation "shakes out") and the same amount of time or longer for an Asian American to be elected president of the US.

We currently have a president who is biracial (half-White) and yet is receiving the vitriolic attacks that African Americans have become used to since being brought to this country. It's ludicrous to believe that a Latino or person of Asian descent wouldn't receive similar treatment from large sectors of American public and rather naive to believe that race, rather than abilities, wouldn't be a guideline for many when choosing a leader.

There have been MANY non-White Americans that were more than qualified to be president. That they were neither selected nor nominated by either of the major parties in the past can't be seen as anything but for it was: racial bias. To suggest otherwise is either misreading American history or denying reality.

The 12-16 year period that I stated earlier is an arbitrary figure. It comes from the 4 years that the current President will serve after his re-election (killing OBL was good for something) and the time period that a GOP candidate will serve in the White House (no, I don't expect the GOP to be the first party to elect a Latino or Asian president) making it 2020 or 2024 at the earliest that an Asian or Latino makes a serious run for the presidency.

If or when that person wins the office, they will probably be one of the best candidates for the job. They will also be well overdue to the position.
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Postby Raumm » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:51 pm

it just depends on who runs and who wins really.

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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:52 pm

The only one I'd consider really out of the question is an atheist president (and the ones not specifically mentioned in the OP like Muslims, probably the disabled, probably some others). Female president is basically a given, since it was so close last time, Hispanic I can imagine happening - and actually that's the one I'd most expect Republicans to break, given that there's a lot of overlap between Republican strongholds and densely Hispanic areas.
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Postby Druidville » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:04 pm

1. Atheist. Probably, but it won't be a militant one.
2. Woman. Soonish, I'd imagine. It's an idea lacking momentum right now. Palin's smart and not in that game anymore, and Bachman shouldn't have been in.
3. Asian-American/Hispanic-American/Native American: Must be in politics or massively popular, not too many have it right now.

It'll happen, but there's too much opportunity for race-card politics right now. It's what's killed Obama. Too polarizing, too controversial, and frankly too incompetent too continue.

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4. Muslim? Not anytime soon. They seem to have no separation of Church and State, something with which the USA has practice.
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Postby Gordonisia » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:27 pm

The one that seems really far off is a homosexual President. Even though more and more people are becoming comfortable with homosexuality, I can't see an openly gay Commander-in-Chief for at least another 100 years.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Druidville wrote:1. Atheist. Probably, but it won't be a militant one.

It really dilutes the notion of 'militant' when applied to atheists.

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Postby Maurepas » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:31 pm

I think it's less of an electorate problem, and more of a finding minorities with the kind of money and power it takes to run for President.

A lot of that is related to the race/religion of a person, but I think only tangentially, not systemic or on the part of the voters.

For example, we'll have a Gay President the day one has enough money, clout, and following to run, and he consistently overshadows his rivals and opponent. The same way Obama did the other Democratic candidates and McCain.

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Postby Condunum » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:42 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Druidville wrote:1. Atheist. Probably, but it won't be a militant one.

It really dilutes the notion of 'militant' when applied to atheists.

It makes me think of what I consider to be the militant atheism wars of late 2011, when there was extremely heightened debate on what a militant atheist was. It seems to have died down as of recent.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:44 pm

there is a reasonable chance that we will elect the first mormon president in november.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:47 pm

Druidville wrote:Palin's smart


Say what?! :blink:
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Postby Brewdomia » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:51 pm

Woman and Hispanic are a given, with so many influential hispanics and women active currently.

As for the others I give Asian-Americans a chance, and Indian-Americans possibly with Jindal and Haley are names that are thrown around for VP so you could see one of them capitalizing on name recog to be President.

Last is definetley Atheist, hell Atheists barely get any traction in the democratic party when large blocs of the parties base include very religious blacks and hispanics.

Also disabled president, we've already had one(a legendary president at that), but in our modern media age, unfortunatley they are disqualified because they might not seem healthy enough to hold office.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:52 pm

I honestly hope the US gets a Native American president. The sheer hilarity the GOP fringes and other extreme right loonies will be spewing will make the cockles of my heart warm.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:53 pm

It'll be at least another 50 years until a middle eastern, Hindu, or homosexual individual becomes president.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:53 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:I honestly hope the US gets a Native American president. The sheer hilarity the GOP fringes and other extreme right loonies will be spewing will make the cockles of my heart warm.

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Postby Wamitoria » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:54 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:I honestly hope the US gets a Native American president. The sheer hilarity the GOP fringes and other extreme right loonies will be spewing will make the cockles of my heart warm.

I would vote for a Native American candidate in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I do not know of any prominent Native politicians.
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The Nuclear Fist wrote:I honestly hope the US gets a Native American president. The sheer hilarity the GOP fringes and other extreme right loonies will be spewing will make the cockles of my heart warm.

"Well, do we question his citizenship?...What?...Why are you guys looking at me like that?"

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:56 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:I honestly hope the US gets a Native American president. The sheer hilarity the GOP fringes and other extreme right loonies will be spewing will make the cockles of my heart warm.

I would vote for a Native American candidate in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I do not know of any prominent Native politicians.

I would hope that, if and when that day comes, he or she is really Native American. To an almost stereotypical extent.
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Postby Priori » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:56 pm

Most Americans hardly enjoy change, so I'd have to say no.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:57 pm

I say we assemble a Frankensteinian candidate of every minority we can fit together, then elect that president for a term, thus ending the debate about "when will we have an X president" once and for all. Never more will we have to read a pundit opining about how far away the day of overcoming prejudice is, nor listen to any more bigots claiming they would die before voting for a(n) [insert slur here].
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:59 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:I say we assemble a Frankensteinian candidate of every minority we can fit together, then elect that president for a term, thus ending the debate about "when will we have an X president" once and for all. Never more will we have to read a pundit opining about how far away the day of overcoming prejudice is, nor listen to any more bigots claiming they would die before voting for a(n) [insert slur here].

When will you, as Americans, overcome your stark bigotry and finally elect a Jewish Yupik transexual for president?
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Postby Denecaep » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:59 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:I would vote for a Native American candidate in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I do not know of any prominent Native politicians.

I would hope that, if and when that day comes, he or she is really Native American. To an almost stereotypical extent.

My thoughts exactly. But seeing as reservations are effectively 3rd world countries right now, I don't see our treatment of them getting better anytime soon.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:00 pm

Denecaep wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:I would hope that, if and when that day comes, he or she is really Native American. To an almost stereotypical extent.

My thoughts exactly. But seeing as reservations are effectively 3rd world countries right now, I don't see our treatment of them getting better anytime soon.

I feel bad for Native Americans. Such a rich heritage and culture, all wiped away.
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Postby Denecaep » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:01 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:I say we assemble a Frankensteinian candidate of every minority we can fit together, then elect that president for a term, thus ending the debate about "when will we have an X president" once and for all. Never more will we have to read a pundit opining about how far away the day of overcoming prejudice is, nor listen to any more bigots claiming they would die before voting for a(n) [insert slur here].


A lesbian half-Hispanic half-ethnic Jew who is a practicing Muslim (but with doubts about God) but was raised by adopted parents on a Native American reservation?
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Postby Wamitoria » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:01 pm

Denecaep wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:I would hope that, if and when that day comes, he or she is really Native American. To an almost stereotypical extent.

My thoughts exactly. But seeing as reservations are effectively 3rd world countries right now, I don't see our treatment of them getting better anytime soon.

Well, we treat them fine. It's just that they need a lot of money, time, and effort to reach equilibrium with the rest of the US. None of which our government seems to be willing to give at the moment.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:03 pm

Denecaep wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:I say we assemble a Frankensteinian candidate of every minority we can fit together, then elect that president for a term, thus ending the debate about "when will we have an X president" once and for all. Never more will we have to read a pundit opining about how far away the day of overcoming prejudice is, nor listen to any more bigots claiming they would die before voting for a(n) [insert slur here].


A lesbian half-Hispanic half-ethnic Jew who is a practicing Muslim (but with doubts about God) but was raised by adopted parents on a Native American reservation?

And it's a reservation on Eskimo/Yupik land.
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Creative Vikings wrote:Vlad: A merciful death to your crops and cattle
Vester wrote:Well here's to you killing children where ever you roam
Alidina wrote:You would of course have to dissect and study the local wildlife to get the necessary knowledge for reevolving your people, But something tells me you would enjoy that TNF
Nat wrote:You're the exact opposite of a role model, and that's why we love you
Erinkita wrote:You're too good for this world
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