Rehabilitation

[Yuktova]

a system in which rehabilitation is stressed as in Norway

Source? Or a further explanation on how rehabilitation is stressed in Norway?

Norway is a mythical land full of dragons, old catacombs filled with Daugr, and men wearing iron armor screaming Foos-Ro-Da...

let me link you to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

[Gravlen]

Source? Or a further explanation on how rehabilitation is stressed in Norway?

Norway is a mythical land full of dragons, old catacombs filled with Daugr, and men wearing iron armor screaming Foos-Ro-Da...

let me link you to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

Your post was amusing, albeit worthless.

[Yuktova]

Norway is a mythical land full of dragons, old catacombs filled with Daugr, and men wearing iron armor screaming Foos-Ro-Da...

let me link you to wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

Your post was amusing, albeit worthless.

Thank you

[The Multiversal Species Alliance]

a system in which rehabilitation is stressed as in Norway

Source? Or a further explanation on how rehabilitation is stressed in Norway?

Here are three:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/euro ... pen-prison
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 02,00.html
To quote the governor of Halden Fengsel, Norway's newest prison, Are Hoidal:
"In the Norwegian prison system, there's a focus on human rights and respect, we don't see any of this as unusual."

[Chersonesus]

And yet violent crime has hardly moved at all, proving Yootwopia's point.

It has still declined a bit. But, total crime is more important part...

I can tell you, as a person living a three-strikes state, that the three-strikes system is not worth any perceived benefits. People have been jailed for life because they're poor and were caught stealing some bread from the store. I'll grant you that it does seem to have effectiveness, but that it's too much of a ''one-size fits all'' policy to be truly effective.

[Gravlen]

Source? Or a further explanation on how rehabilitation is stressed in Norway?

Here are three:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/euro ... pen-prison
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 02,00.html
To quote the governor of Halden Fengsel, Norway's newest prison, Are Hoidal:
"In the Norwegian prison system, there's a focus on human rights and respect, we don't see any of this as unusual."

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that having a focus on human rights and respect = stressing rehabilitation. That's not so. There needs to be something more than simply treating the convicts humanely.

In fact, the focus on rehabilitation in Norwegian prisons diminished in the 1970's¹, as the treatment ideology that got popular from the 1920's and onwards lost traction. Today, punishment is very much stressed in Norwegian prisons². And even if preventive effects on an individual level are still a relevant factor, it is clear from a study of recidivism rates that the rehabilitating approach simply didn't work.<sup>3

1</sup> Hauge, Straffens begrunnelser, page 256–272
² http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/jd/dok/nouer/2002/nou-2002-04/4.html?id=380347 and http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/jd/dok/nouer/2002/nou-2002-04/6/2.html?id=380392 paragraph 5.2.2.3.
³ Bondeson, Fången i fångsamhället

[Lackland]

Some of the best prison reforms are actually best practiced outside the prison walls. I'm referring of course to programs that help prevent individuals from entering the prison population in the first place. By all means rehabilitate those prisoners that can be rehabilitated, but for the vast majority serving long term sentences rehabilitation is often nothing more of a pipe dream. That money would be better spent on preventing teens from joining gangs by offering alternatives, poured programs that actually attempt to bring people out of poverty, and into drug/alcohol rehabilitation clinics. These are programs that can help keep people out of prison in the first place.

Surprisingly these are also the programs that are being cut by politicians in the current economic crisis. The same politicians who claim our prisons are over-populated. Well maybe they should put their money where their mouth is and stop cutting valuable programs aimed at ebbing the flow into prisons in the first place.

[Yuktova]

Here are three:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/euro ... pen-prison
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/08 ... index.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 02,00.html
To quote the governor of Halden Fengsel, Norway's newest prison, Are Hoidal:
"In the Norwegian prison system, there's a focus on human rights and respect, we don't see any of this as unusual."

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that having a focus on human rights and respect = stressing rehabilitation. That's not so. There needs to be something more than simply treating the convicts humanely.

In fact, the focus on rehabilitation in Norwegian prisons diminished in the 1970's¹, as the treatment ideology that got popular from the 1920's and onwards lost traction. Today, punishment is very much stressed in Norwegian prisons². And even if preventive effects on an individual level are still a relevant factor, it is clear from a study of recidivism rates that the rehabilitating approach simply didn't work.<sup>3

1</sup> Hauge, Straffens begrunnelser, page 256–272
² http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/jd/dok/nouer/2002/nou-2002-04/4.html?id=380347 and http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/jd/dok/nouer/2002/nou-2002-04/6/2.html?id=380392 paragraph 5.2.2.3.
³ Bondeson, Fången i fångsamhället

I can't read any of that, so until its in English, I'll hold my judgement.

[The Multiversal Species Alliance]

Here's a reason why, I think, Scandinavian prison systems are so successful: they try hard to keep people out of prison, they give their prisoners large amounts of freedom, they try to implement normalization in their prisons, e.g: Denmark releases prisoners early, allows them family visits, gives them education, training and anger management courses, in Copenhagen's main prison, half the guards are female and they try to be friends with the inmates, sex between inmates is allowed if the wardens think the relationship is long-lasting. In Norway's Bastoy Prison (which is located two miles from the nearest settlement and twenty-five miles from Oslo, the capital city), prisoners live in shared apartments, are allowed to be outside in nature, and there are no fences, there are only five guards in the evening, and the prisoners have a choice, either stay and don't try to escape, or, escape and be put into a closed prison.

[Volnotova]

I have a question for you: which do you think is more effective in regards to crime prevention and treatment and why, a system in which rehabilitation is stressed as in Norway, or, a system in which punishment is stressed as in the U.S. or the PRC?

What do you think? It is polite to give your opinion.

Do you say that to journalists too?

[Farnhamia]

What do you think? It is polite to give your opinion.

Do you say that to journalists too?

To journalists I say, "You might say so, but I could not possibly comment." Forum rules say the OP should give their opinion. You know this.

[Birkinghamia]

I think rehabilitation should be used first, and then punishment.

[Ethel mermania]

Do you say that to journalists too?

To journalists I say, "You might say so, but I could not possibly comment." Forum rules say the OP should give their opinion. You know this.

to journalists i say "are you putting these drinks on the paper's tab?"
As to the OP, I believe in retribution. I give up my blood feud, if society puts the guy who swiped the GPS out of my car in jail. That said if we can teach him a skill that will stop him from swiping someone elses gps out of their car, when he gets out. I am all for it.

[Great Nepal]

It has still declined a bit. But, total crime is more important part...

I can tell you, as a person living a three-strikes state, that the three-strikes system is not worth any perceived benefits. People have been jailed for life because they're poor and were caught stealing some bread from the store. I'll grant you that it does seem to have effectiveness, but that it's too much of a ''one-size fits all'' policy to be truly effective.

Yes, may not be "fair" and "one-size fits all" but it has done its job: reduce crime rate effectively.

[Warmongerdine]

Here's a reason why, I think, Scandinavian prison systems are so successful: they try hard to keep people out of prison, they give their prisoners large amounts of freedom, they try to implement normalization in their prisons, e.g: Denmark releases prisoners early, allows them family visits, gives them education, training and anger management courses, in Copenhagen's main prison, half the guards are female and they try to be friends with the inmates, sex between inmates is allowed if the wardens think the relationship is long-lasting. In Norway's Bastoy Prison (which is located two miles from the nearest settlement and twenty-five miles from Oslo, the capital city), prisoners live in shared apartments, are allowed to be outside in nature, and there are no fences, there are only five guards in the evening, and the prisoners have a choice, either stay and don't try to escape, or, escape and be put into a closed prison.

BRB, going to Norway to rob a bank.

[Unicile]

I did a research paper on this in college, and the answer is rehabilitation of individuals who can be rehabilitated (aka not mentally insane/unstable).

Also, strict punishments need to be enforced to deter violet or otherwise bodily harmful crime.

USS Unicile supports rehabilitation and "crime is totally unknown." Course, if you are a foreign "tourist" who comes into our country smuggling drugs, well....let's just say we have gladiatorial games for criminal convicts who violate our no drug policy.

[Nationalist LivLand]

The US has a better system but Norway has a lower crime rate, it has always been low.
You see in my country , they focus more on rehabilitation programs and this isnt working because most of the criminals who have served will go and commit another crime.

[Metanih]

I used to believe that punishment was more effective. I believe my reasoning was that people that commit crimes won't change.
I was kinda funny when I was twelve... I thought all criminals were the same as the Joker from Batman.

Then I learned about the real world. Rehab is obviously the best choice.

[West Failure]

Punishment alone leads to a high prison population which is expensive to maintain, and does nothing to reduce reoffending when people are released from prison. So if you like high taxes this is your best option.

Killing all criminals is for thirteen year olds who have no idea about the real world.

Rehabilitation works, but not with everybody. A lot of people who commit crimes in their late teens and early twenties stop commiting crimes before they reach their thirties. Some don't though and will continue to commit crimes throughout their lives. This might be associated with alcohol, drug use, or mental health problems.

I think the best approach is to put money into trying to rehabilitate young offenders and making sure people with alcohol, drug, mental health, or money problems get the help they need. Getting rid of stupid drug laws would also help. Give people a couple of chances before moving onto to prison as a punishment.

[Great Nepal]

Give people a ccouple of chances before moving onto to prison as a punishment.

If you become sole ruler of a nation, please give me a mail with address of biggest banks.

[West Failure]

Give people a ccouple of chances before moving onto to prison as a punishment.

If you become sole ruler of a nation, please give me a mail with address of biggest banks.

You really think you could succesfully rob a large bank with just a couple of chances to get it right? You really don't have a grasp on the real world.

[Great Nepal]

If you become sole ruler of a nation, please give me a mail with address of biggest banks.

You really think you could succesfully rob a large bank with just a couple of chances to get it right? You really don't have a grasp on the real world.

No, I will hire many professional groups to do it at a time. One of them should have success in two attempts.
I am satisfied with 20% of the robbery.

[West Failure]

You really think you could succesfully rob a large bank with just a couple of chances to get it right? You really don't have a grasp on the real world.

No, I will hire many professional groups to do it at a time. One of them should have success in two attempts.
I am satisfied with 20% of the robbery.

And where are you getting the money to hire professionals from, your pocket money? Again you have no grasp on reality, just adolescent fantasies.

[Great Nepal]

No, I will hire many professional groups to do it at a time. One of them should have success in two attempts.
I am satisfied with 20% of the robbery.

And where are you getting the money to hire professionals from, your pocket money? Again you have no grasp on reality, just adolescent fantasies.

Take out a loan by putting land as security.
Hire professionals.
Take money from robbery.
Pay back the loan.
Profit.

[West Failure]

And where are you getting the money to hire professionals from, your pocket money? Again you have no grasp on reality, just adolescent fantasies.

Take out a loan by putting land as security.
Hire professionals.
Take money from robbery.
Pay back the loan.
Profit.

More likely scenario.

Take out loan.
Get ripped off by professionals.