Global Firepower: NationStates Military Comparison

by **New Hayesalia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:16 am

This list is based on the website Global Fire Power. From the site:

GFP provides a unique analytical display of data covering global military powers with statistics compiled through various sources. All manner of countries are considered in the ranking, a spectrum helping to produce a near-complete comparison of relative military strengths from across the globe. The user should note that nuclear capability is not taken into account for the final ranking for this listing is purely a "numbers game" meant to spark debate and including nuclear weapons would clearly defeat its purpose. Therefore GFP comparisons are for consideration in a conventional war based solely on each individual nation's capabilities on land, at sea and through the air while including logistical and financial aspects when waging total war. Sources are stated whenever possible though some statistics are estimated if official numbers are not available.

While the NationStates version is not covering oil and finances, you can find an excellent resources for an upcoming war or as a tool for comparing your nations. The details are hosted on a Google Documents spreadsheet with the link below.

VIEW THE GLOBAL FIREPOWER DATA SPREADSHEET

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Code: Select all: [size=150][color=#FF0000]APPLICATION OR UPDATE[/color][/size] [b]Total Population:[/b] [b]Available Military Manpower:[/b] [b]Active Military Manpower:[/b] [b]Active Reserve Manpower:[/b] [b]Manpower Fit for Service:[/b] [b]Reaching Military Age Annually:[/b] [b]Labor Forces:[/b] [b]Total Aircraft:[/b] [b]Helicopters:[/b] [b]Total Land Weapons:[/b] [b]Tanks:[/b] [b]APCs / IFVs:[/b] [b]Towed Artillery:[/b] [b]Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs):[/b] . [b]Rocket Artillery (MLRS):[/b] [b]Mortar Systems:[/b] [b]Anti-Tank Weaponry:[/b] [b]Anti-Aircraft Weaponry:[/b] [b]Logistical Vehicles:[/b] [b]Total Navy Ships:[/b] [b]Aircraft Carriers:[/b] [b]Submarines:[/b] [b]Destroyers:[/b] [b]Frigates:[/b] [b]Mine Warfare Craft:[/b] [b]Patrol Craft:[/b] [b]Amphibious Assault Vessels:[/b] [b]Total Airports:[/b] [b]Merchant Marine Strength:[/b] [b]Major Ports & Terminals:[/b] [b]Accurate as of:[/b] DD/MM/YYYY

Posts · by **Yohannes** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:22 am

This is quite an interesting concept, New Hayesalia. The opening thread is coherent and up to-the-point, explained and packaged in a manner of concise.

I would like to inquire however, and if you would not mind me doing so; how will this be fairly regulated...? Simply put, nations may rped their own setting, as they wish for, and thus a single, coherent unified set of regulated and/or detailed standard of what constitute an acceptable Rped claim by some roleplayers, which may not be the case with others.

A very good example would be this; Nation A put forward that their available military manpower is 100% of their national population. Let us say for simplicity's sake that the aforesaid nation/roleplayer's claim will then be approved as legitimate by you (as the OP, which is perfectly understandable, and is fully within your right, as after all, you are the OP of this thread) and listed inside the Global Firepower: NationStates Military Comparison data.

Will this mean the fact that other roleplayers will then have to accept that NS' power claim...? If that's the case, wouldn't it be against the standing principle of a freeform roleplaying site by itself, whereby we are free to roleplay our nation as creatively as we may, as per our positive imagination, and unleash the aforesaid imagination to co-operatively write a good story with other fellow NationStates roleplayers?

Again, this is simply a curious question from me, and is not meant to be a criticism whatsoever towards your initiative, New Hayesalia. A little bit of explanation as to the reasoning behind this initiative, and a brief explanation of how it can benefit the roleplaying community is all that is needed.

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by **New Hayesalia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:33 am

Yohannes wrote:This is quite an interesting concept, New Hayesalia. The opening thread is coherent and up to-the-point, explained and packaged in a manner of concise.

I would like to inquire however, and if you would not mind me doing so; how will this be fairly regulated...? Simply put, nations may rped their own setting, as they wish for, and thus a single, coherent unified set of regulated and/or detailed standard of what constitute an acceptable Rped claim by some roleplayers, which may not be the case with others.

A very good example would be this; Nation A put forward that their available military manpower is 100% of their national population. Let us say for simplicity's sake that the aforesaid nation/roleplayer's claim will then be approved as legitimate by you (as the OP, which is perfectly understandable, and is fully within your right, as after all, you are the OP of this thread) and listed inside the Global Firepower: NationStates Military Comparison data.

Will this mean the fact that other roleplayers will then have to accept that NS' power claim...? If that's the case, wouldn't it be against the standing principle of a freeform roleplaying site by itself, whereby we are free to roleplay our nation as creatively as we may, as per our positive imagination, and unleash the aforesaid imagination to co-operatively write a good story with other fellow NationStates roleplayers?

Again, this is simply a curious question from me, and is not meant to be a criticism whatsoever towards your initiative, New Hayesalia. A little bit of explanation as to the reasoning behind this initiative, and a brief explanation of how it can benefit the roleplaying community is all that is needed.

[Edited 1 typo]

The reasoning was pretty basic- just a comparison tool like that used by the real Global Firepower. I see the benefit as being a resource where one can simply look and compare their numbers against theirs. Of course, there's no need for anyone to accept any numbers and like I've also said, I'm not going to moderate it. By moderate I mean that what they say in the application. Apart from that, this is a free argument zone. (Example, Nation A claims 100% available military perosnnel from population. I'll put it on the list, however I might argue that it's a bunch of crap.)

If a nation is actively planning a war, it will be their responsibility to ensure that the numbers that their 'enemy' has reasonable numbers. Sound reasonable?

Also, feel free to make an application

Posts · by **Yohannes** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:37 am

Thanks for the explanation, New Hayesalia.

I appreciate that, and I like the sound of this programme.

Yes, I will absolutely put forward an application of my military number here, once I've figured out what I should put; I am such a lazzzzzzy rper.

by **New Hayesalia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:11 am

Yohannes wrote:Thanks for the explanation, New Hayesalia.

I appreciate that, and I like the sound of this programme.

Yes, I will absolutely put forward an application of my military number here, once I've figured out what I should put; I am such a lazzzzzzy rper.

I got my numbers based off the German, Swedish, Chinese and Australian military with a bit of population accounting-for. Try something like that perhaps?

Posts · by **Yohannes** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:18 am

I perfectly know how to do my own research.

Thanks for the input, however. =)

by **New Hayesalia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:24 am

Yohannes wrote:I perfectly know how to do my own research.

Thanks for the input, however. =)

Nobody's perfect, Yohannes

by **Santheres** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:11 pm

Well-thought-out, at least, though expecting exact numbers for some of these things is pretty unreasonable, especially for larger nations. Then there's no accounting for modernity of technology, which is actually a fairly valuable data point. Then there's blanket categories for things that shouldn't honestly be blanket categories; logistics vehicles, for example. More detailed information is valuable there for any RPer who thinks of warfare as more than just "pew pew, post losses." You yourself call them oft-overlooked, but then you proceed to marginalize them. Same for merchant marine.

I also do doubt that people will be reasonable and will attempt instead to constantly one-up each other, as they always do in FNI threads wherein one-upsmanship can actually occur.

You'll want to limit this to MT, by the way. The results would be meaningless if you included PT, PMT, and FT data.

by **Radictistan** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:22 pm

This is a great idea. I'll put my information up as soon as I can get the math done. I've always felt there should be more transparency, both IC and OOC about military strength on Nationstates.

by **Sailsia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:34 pm

Wow, this is very interesting. Looking forward to seeing some of the stuff people post. However, I would recommend you perhaps maintain two lists, one for nations who have capped their populations, and one for those who haven't. It makes it a lot easier for players like me who is not interested in seeing multi-billion man armies

by **The Cookish States** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:00 pm

APPLICATION OR UPDATE
Total Population:143,000,000
Available Military Manpower:61,100,000
Active Military Manpower:3,105,000
Active Reserve Manpower:1,584,000
Manpower Fit for Service:39,900,000
Reaching Military Age Annually:421,786
Labor Forces:62,009,102
Total Aircraft: 1,310
Helicopters:716
Total Land Weapons:
Tanks: 2,614
APCs / IFVs: 2,248
Towed Artillery:442
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs):28
Rocket Artillery (MLRS):634
Mortar Systems:1,850
Anti-Tank Weaponry:17,100
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry:290 (Vehicles), 12,230 (MANPAD)
Logistical Vehicles:98,370
Total Navy Ships:691
Aircraft Carriers:2
Submarines:56
Destroyers:45
Frigates:73
Mine Warfare Craft:0
Patrol Craft:503
Amphibious Assault Vessels:0
Total Airports:8
Merchant Marine Strength:0
Major Ports & Terminals:9
Accurate as of: 10/03/2012

by **New Hayesalia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:09 pm

Santheres wrote:Well-thought-out, at least, though expecting exact numbers for some of these things is pretty unreasonable, especially for larger nations. Then there's no accounting for modernity of technology, which is actually a fairly valuable data point. Then there's blanket categories for things that shouldn't honestly be blanket categories; logistics vehicles, for example. More detailed information is valuable there for any RPer who thinks of warfare as more than just "pew pew, post losses." You yourself call them oft-overlooked, but then you proceed to marginalize them. Same for merchant marine.

I also do doubt that people will be reasonable and will attempt instead to constantly one-up each other, as they always do in FNI threads wherein one-upsmanship can actually occur.

You'll want to limit this to MT, by the way. The results would be meaningless if you included PT, PMT, and FT data.

This form is not for counting technology: just numbers. While the technology is a valuable point, this is purely a numbers game. And I've also used the definitions from the site, and it had logistical vehicles as opposed to another load of categories.

On terms of technology, I think that if you were planning to go to war with someone you would reference their factbooks and see what it is their using: this list is purely numbers for people who therwise wouldn't release that information. If we included technology, I'd take a week to fill up two applications.

And yes, I have limited this to MT.

Sailsia wrote:Wow, this is very interesting. Looking forward to seeing some of the stuff people post. However, I would recommend you perhaps maintain two lists, one for nations who have capped their populations, and one for those who haven't. It makes it a lot easier for players like me who is not interested in seeing multi-billion man armies

Well, if need be I can add notes to the numbers, like I did with my aircraft carriers. Example being (Nation A: Population 59,000,000 (capped))

by **New Hayesalia** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:14 pm

First Update!

by **Radictistan** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:14 am

I have two questions about the definitions used. First, in terms of numbers of tanks, IFVs, etc, should I include examples that are in storage rather than assigned to any units? I have a large number of MBTs and a few IFVs/APCs that are simply warehoused for dire emergencies and could not be activated for combat on short notice due to lack of crews and the wear on the vehicles. The maintenance guys turn the engines on for a couple of hours every month and might fire a round or two from the main gun but otherwise they're not really in service. Including them in my total would increase my total number of MBTs by about 25% despite it being unlikely that they could be ever used short a multi-year total war.

Second, by numbers of merchant marine ships, do you mean Radictistani-flagged vessels or Radictistani-owned vessels? The standard is flagged but I want to be sure.

by **The Seven Realms** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:38 am

I'm all-tech, so I guess my MT version fits here.

APPLICATION OR UPDATE
Total Population: 1.012 Billion
Available Military Manpower: 5,370,635
Active Military Manpower: 2,358,621
Active Reserve Manpower: 3,012,014
Manpower Fit for Service: 451,092,123
Reaching Military Age Annually: 182,312,091
Labor Forces: 678,234,102
Total Aircraft: 5,022
Helicopters: 3,912
Total Land Weapons:
Tanks: 3,012
APCs / IFVs: 6,024
Towed Artillery: 680
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 1,291
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 1,892
Mortar Systems: 470
Anti-Tank Weaponry: 35,920
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: 43,092
Logistical Vehicles: 98,023
Total Navy Ships: 402
Aircraft Carriers: 15
Submarines: 72
Destroyers: 56
Frigates: 60
Mine Warfare Craft: 12
Patrol Craft: 8
Amphibious Assault Vessels: 12
Total Airports: 182,012
Merchant Marine Strength: 70(ships)
Major Ports & Terminals: 72
Accurate as of: 11/03/2012

by **New Hayesalia** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:52 pm

Radictistan wrote:I have two questions about the definitions used. First, in terms of numbers of tanks, IFVs, etc, should I include examples that are in storage rather than assigned to any units? I have a large number of MBTs and a few IFVs/APCs that are simply warehoused for dire emergencies and could not be activated for combat on short notice due to lack of crews and the wear on the vehicles. The maintenance guys turn the engines on for a couple of hours every month and might fire a round or two from the main gun but otherwise they're not really in service. Including them in my total would increase my total number of MBTs by about 25% despite it being unlikely that they could be ever used short a multi-year total war.

Second, by numbers of merchant marine ships, do you mean Radictistani-flagged vessels or Radictistani-owned vessels? The standard is flagged but I want to be sure.

In terms of tanks (and everything else) the total amount is the amount of tanks that could feasibly be operated in a large scale conventional war, it reflects the total amount of assets a nation may commit to an overall war effort if need be- so if it works and it would be brought into service, count it. By merchant marines, that applies to ships owned by your nations AND flagged in your nation.

by **Arumdaum** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:02 am

APPLICATION OR UPDATE
Total Population: 2,739,841,950
Available Military Manpower: 1,433,578,872
Active Military Manpower: 188,554
Active Reserve Manpower: 46,446
Manpower Fit for Service: 1209,962,004
Reaching Military Age Annually: 37,956,708
Labor Forces: 1,630,600,000
Total Aircraft: 2,308
Helicopters: 714
Total Land Weapons: 21,345
Tanks: 4,140
APCs / IFVs: 6,557
Towed Artillery: 660
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 801
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 530
Mortar Systems: 7,601
Anti-Tank Weaponry: 49,522
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: 6,786
Logistical Vehicles: 27,378
Total Navy Ships: 301
Aircraft Carriers: 2
Submarines: 17
Destroyers: 6
Frigates: 19
Mine Warfare Craft: 24
Patrol Craft: 63
Amphibious Assault Vessels: 57
Total Airports: 81,009
Merchant Marine Strength: 630
Major Ports & Terminals: 191
Accurate as of: 21/09/2011

by **Nitom** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:31 am

size=150]APPLICATION OR UPDATE[/size]
Total Population: 7.68 billion
Available Military Manpower: 200,000,000
Active Military Manpower: 150,000,000
Active Reserve Manpower: 50,000,000
Manpower Fit for Service: 7 billion
Reaching Military Age Annually: 12,530,000
Labor Forces: 6,000,000,000
Total Aircraft: 120,000
Helicopters: 38,000
Total Land Weapons: 2,500,000
Tanks: 100,000
APCs / IFVs:60,000
Towed Artillery: 200,000
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 200,000
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 440,000
Mortar Systems: 300,000
Anti-Tank Weaponry: 400,000
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: 300,000
Logistical Vehicles: 500,000
Total Navy Ships: 1,203,070 (including merchant navy)
Aircraft Carriers: 120
Submarines: 150
Destroyers: 500
Frigates: 360
Mine Warfare Craft: 40
Patrol Craft: 1,000
Amphibious Assault Vessels: 1,200,000
Total Airports: 150,000
Merchant Marine Strength: 900 ships
Major Ports & Terminals: 2,900
Accurate as of: 12/3/12

by **New Hayesalia** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:44 am

Updated.

by **Cruciland** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:32 am

APPLICATION
Total Population: 421 million
Available Military Manpower: 361.1 million
Active Military Manpower: 304 thousand
Active Reserve Manpower: 709 thousand
Manpower Fit for Service: 403 million (given our superhumanity)
Reaching Military Age Annually: 102 million
Labor Forces: 245 million
Total ~~Aircraft~~ Spacecraft: 309 thousand
Helicopters: We are not MT, nor have we ever existed before MT.
Total Land Weapons: 796 million
Tanks: We don't use tanks anymore.
APCs / IFVs: 21 thousand. They're quite large.
Towed Artillery: 32 thousand.
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 795 million. (city turret traps, mostly)
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 96 thousand
Mortar Systems: Too basic; not in service.
Anti-Tank Weaponry: Not needed, due to our multifunctional systems.
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: The self-propelled guns do that.
Logistical Vehicles: 84 thousand
Total Navy Ships: We have/need no navy.
Aircraft Carriers: *AHEM* We have/need no navy.
Submarines: I SAID, we have/need no navy!
Destroyers: WE HAVE NO NAVY!
Frigates: WE ARE FT, WE CAN PLUNGE STARSHIPS UNDER THE WAVES!
Mine Warfare Craft: *groan*
Patrol Craft: We. Do. Not. Have. A. NAVY.
Amphibious Assault Vessels: In terms of land and sea, we have omnibuses and hovercraft. 89 thousand.
Total ~~Airports~~ blast-off points: 2 million.
Merchant Marine Strength: No navy = no marines.
Major Ports & Terminals: We. Have. No. Need. For. Sea. Vehicles.
Accurate as of: 03/12/2012

by **The Seven Realms** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:02 pm

Cruciland wrote:APPLICATION
Total Population: 421 million
Available Military Manpower: 361.1 million
Active Military Manpower: 304 thousand
Active Reserve Manpower: 709 thousand
Manpower Fit for Service: 403 million (given our superhumanity)
Reaching Military Age Annually: 102 million
Labor Forces: 245 million
Total ~~Aircraft~~ Spacecraft: 309 thousand
Helicopters: We are not MT, nor have we ever existed before MT.
Total Land Weapons: 796 million
Tanks: We don't use tanks anymore.
APCs / IFVs: 21 thousand. They're quite large.
Towed Artillery: 32 thousand.
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 795 million. (city turret traps, mostly)
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 96 thousand
Mortar Systems: Too basic; not in service.
Anti-Tank Weaponry: Not needed, due to our multifunctional systems.
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: The self-propelled guns do that.
Logistical Vehicles: 84 thousand
Total Navy Ships: We have/need no navy.
Aircraft Carriers: *AHEM* We have/need no navy.
Submarines: I SAID, we have/need no navy!
Destroyers: WE HAVE NO NAVY!
Frigates: WE ARE FT, WE CAN PLUNGE STARSHIPS UNDER THE WAVES!
Mine Warfare Craft: *groan*
Patrol Craft: We. Do. Not. Have. A. NAVY.
Amphibious Assault Vessels: In terms of land and sea, we have omnibuses and hovercraft. 89 thousand.
Total ~~Airports~~ blast-off points: 2 million.
Merchant Marine Strength: No navy = no marines.
Major Ports & Terminals: We. Have. No. Need. For. Sea. Vehicles.
Accurate as of: 03/12/2012

If your nation never existed in MT.

Then why are you posting here? :eyebrow:

by **New Hayesalia** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:19 pm

Added a highlight for the lowest and highest numbers of each category.

by **The Cookish States** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:21 am

Lowest in nearly every category :lol:

And yet, I'm being invaded by a coalition of about 12 nations including Lamoni

by **Sovereign Rulers** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:02 am

APPLICATION OR UPDATE
Total Population: 1 648 000 000
Available Military Manpower: 461 440 000
Active Military Manpower: 92 288 000
Active Reserve Manpower: 369 152 000
Manpower Fit for Service: 758 080 000
Reaching Military Age Annually: 24 088 479
Labor Forces: 107 677 024 000
Total Aircraft: 233 453 891
Helicopters: 81 708 861
Total Land Weapons: 4 530 545
Tanks: 1 132 636
APCs / IFVs: 1 313 858
Towed Artillery: 634 276
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 294 485
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 223 808
Mortar Systems: 53 330
Anti-Tank Weaponry: 140 595
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: 1 000 500
Logistical Vehicles: 1 696 540
Total Navy Ships: 755
Aircraft Carriers: 20
Submarines: 40
Destroyers: 40
Frigates: 45
Mine Warfare Craft: 10
Patrol Craft: 500
Amphibious Assault Vessels: 100
Total Airports: 150 352
Merchant Marine Strength: 2000
Major Ports & Terminals: 54
Accurate as of: 13/03/2012

I'd like some input. Are these numbers reasonable for a nation my size?

by **Cruciland** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:13 am

The Seven Realms wrote:
Cruciland wrote:APPLICATION
Total Population: 421 million
Available Military Manpower: 361.1 million
Active Military Manpower: 304 thousand
Active Reserve Manpower: 709 thousand
Manpower Fit for Service: 403 million (given our superhumanity)
Reaching Military Age Annually: 102 million
Labor Forces: 245 million
Total ~~Aircraft~~ Spacecraft: 309 thousand
Helicopters: We are not MT, nor have we ever existed before MT.
Total Land Weapons: 796 million
Tanks: We don't use tanks anymore.
APCs / IFVs: 21 thousand. They're quite large.
Towed Artillery: 32 thousand.
Self-Propelled Guns (SPGs): 795 million. (city turret traps, mostly)
Rocket Artillery (MLRS): 96 thousand
Mortar Systems: Too basic; not in service.
Anti-Tank Weaponry: Not needed, due to our multifunctional systems.
Anti-Aircraft Weaponry: The self-propelled guns do that.
Logistical Vehicles: 84 thousand
Total Navy Ships: We have/need no navy.
Aircraft Carriers: *AHEM* We have/need no navy.
Submarines: I SAID, we have/need no navy!
Destroyers: WE HAVE NO NAVY!
Frigates: WE ARE FT, WE CAN PLUNGE STARSHIPS UNDER THE WAVES!
Mine Warfare Craft: *groan*
Patrol Craft: We. Do. Not. Have. A. NAVY.
Amphibious Assault Vessels: In terms of land and sea, we have omnibuses and hovercraft. 89 thousand.
Total ~~Airports~~ blast-off points: 2 million.
Merchant Marine Strength: No navy = no marines.
Major Ports & Terminals: We. Have. No. Need. For. Sea. Vehicles.
Accurate as of: 03/12/2012

If your nation never existed in MT.

Then why are you posting here?

Because I can edit it to become Late-FT. :idea:

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