The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[Jeruselem]

If people wonder, yes I did kinda steal Andossa Se Mitrin Vega's RP singing format.

Polar, love the new cartoon!

[Kulverint]

Damnit!

Ah well, I can't really say I'm surprised, but still a little disappointed.

On to WC58!

[Bears Armed]

As I understand it, the rule is one puppet per user.

Yes, and even then not in that user's first Cup...

Here's a mildly interesting - and relevant to recent discussion - fact that I'd long-since forgotten (it was more than 8 years ago), but was recently reminded of when trawling through archives.....

Here's the opening part of Brazillico's OP for WC4 (emphasis added):

Friendlies were therefore first introduced by TnUI all the way back in WC3 - and then simply forgotten about until they were reintroduced much, much later.

So there is past precedent to have a host unilaterally abolish friendlies... interesting.

Yes, but after all that was back when the teams had had significantly less time in which to build up 'traditional' friendships & rivalries than is now the case...

[The Archregimancy]

Ah well; looks like being a bad cup cycle for the Dreamed Realm.

Fortunately, since today is the day when I get my annual battery of tests to see whether I'm still going to be alive in five years time, I can afford a generous sense of perspective that's considerably healthier than the rest of me.

No RPs until tomorrow for obvious reasons.

[Bears Armed]

Well, the Bear + lots of drunks and the Bear Belles are into the 2nd round.
Can ya all bear that?

Hwell, we certainly can... although of course that won't keep us from trying to win our game against you, too, and heading the group. Maybeso our teams can go out for a friendly drink together after they've played each other, regardless of the result?

[Kulverint]

Well, the Bear + lots of drunks and the Bear Belles are into the 2nd round.
Can ya all bear that?

Hwell, we certainly can... although of course that won't keep us from trying to win our game against you, too, and heading the group. Maybeso our teams can go out for a friendly drink together after they've played each other, regardless of the result?

Damn you both! All I've got to hope for now is to not finish last!

That said, my team would certainly not turn down an invite of this nature before we leave for home, as well.

Perhaps Stachland could join and make a Group F gathering?

[Stachland]

Hwell, we certainly can... although of course that won't keep us from trying to win our game against you, too, and heading the group. Maybeso our teams can go out for a friendly drink together after they've played each other, regardless of the result?

Damn you both! All I've got to hope for now is to not finish last!

That said, my team would certainly not turn down an invite of this nature before we leave for home, as well.

Perhaps Stachland could join and make a Group F gathering?

We would be happy to. Even if we finish last in the group, it's just great to have made it to the World Cup finals for the first time.

[Bears Armed]

Damn you both! All I've got to hope for now is to not finish last!

That said, my team would certainly not turn down an invite of this nature before we leave for home, as well.

Perhaps Stachland could join and make a Group F gathering?

We would be happy to. Even if we finish last in the group, it's just great to have made it to the World Cup finals for the first time.

Okay, unless Jeru FC object (and the idea of them objecting to an excuse for a drink or five seems unlikely...) it's a 'Group F' gathering after the next day's matches.

[Kulverint]

We would be happy to. Even if we finish last in the group, it's just great to have made it to the World Cup finals for the first time.

Okay, unless Jeru FC object (and the idea of them objecting to an excuse for a drink or five seems unlikely...) it's a 'Group F' gathering after the next day's matches.

Hooray!

[Yesopalitha]

That's one hell of an RP, Astrogath.

[Astograth]

That's one hell of an RP, Astrogath.

Heh, thanks. Glad you liked it, Yespalitha.

[Yesopalitha]

That's one hell of an RP, Astrogath.

Heh, thanks. Glad you liked it, Yespalitha.

It's Yesopalitha. lol. And I love reading although I'm not in. Yet.

[Jeruselem]

Jeru FC will take ANY excuse to have a drink or 100 guys LOL

[The Archregimancy]

I'm not dead yet!

In fact, it looks like NS Sports now has its own Game Mod.

[Bears Armed]

I'm not dead yet!

For some reason, I want to call you Rutilianus...

^_^


(Literary reference...)

[The Babbage Islands]

I'm not dead yet!

In fact, it looks like NS Sports now has its own Game Mod.

Congratulations and condolences; you pick.

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Still shaking my head. I had a massive attack of mostly health-related RL here, and came back to ten pages of WCDT and assorted other stuff. (To those who inquired, thanks for asking.)

I don't know how to express how I feel about all the announced departures and mulled-over departures. Nations coming and going are part of the dynamic here, and it would be easy to categorise the losses as the natural way of things. It would also be easy to look at the stellar records of those who depart and conclude that the sky is falling. Neither is wholly true.

The World Cup in particular and NS Sports more generally will survive this round of losses; they have before, many times. Yet this does not diminish our appreciation for our friends who are moving on, people whose contributions have forever left a mark.

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As usual, I read the scorinator and RP-bonus debates with interest. Footba11er v2 is likely to be a result. The numbers it produces for association football are quite satisfactory, but it needs a style mechanic and a proper extra-time-and-kicks-from-the-mark routine.

I stand firmly on both sides of the cumulative-vs-degrading RP-bonus discussion. My events try to fit the bonus scheme to the total situation including the scorinator, the likely field, the event format, and the scale used for rankings when they exist. There is no one true way; the most important factor is the experience of the host.

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I'll try to catch up on things over the next several days, especially including the Valdemar Prizes. Thank you to those who have submitted nominations, there are four candidates so far.

[The Weegies]

Alright, I think I'm going to be a little less coy.

I am considering the daunting prospect of bidding for all three major international tournaments. This is not without precedent; iirc Starblaydia and Krytenia hosted all three tournaments at one point (NSWiki is, as usual, down just when I need pesky "facts" and "evidence" to back up my claims)

My reasoning is as follows; I want to dive right back in to being a significant contributor to the World Cup, and I think the willingness of people to "step up to the plate" in the wake of some great nations deciding to take some time out is what has kept the World Cup doing so well over the years. I also think that having a host set up (if that can be done by the WCC) for the CoH will prevent the significant time-lag that is beginning to develop to, I believe, the detriment of that competition. I also will probably have considerable free time around the period of this World Cup cycle.

On the matter of a co-host, I guess the issue is if anyone is willing to do three cups as well; but I am willing to consider multiple co-hosts, one for each tournament, if that would be more realistic for anyone else wishing to get involved.

Thoughts? Queries? Abuse?

[Lymantatia]

If I want to host the WC/BoF, how do I pick a co-host?

[The Weegies]

If I want to host the WC/BoF, how do I pick a co-host?

Ask! Talk to other nations, especially on this thread, and see if they're willing to co-host with you. Then talk with them and together devise and submit a bid - posting a thread on the NS Sports forum outlining the form of tournament, the scorinator you're using, etc.

When it comes to the WC, people do tend to vote for experience, however, basically wanting a safe pair (or quad, I guess) of hands to run what is the largest and oldest sporting tournament on Nationstates. The BoF might be your best chance, where a more experienced nation is often pairs up with one new to hosting, in respect of that tournament's introductory nature.

[Sarzonia]

I believe the WCC constitution was recently amended to prevent such an undertaking, Weegies.

I could be wrong, but I think we voted against allowing someone to bid on, say the Baptism of Fire for one cycle and the Cup of Harmony for the following cycle. Then again, I might be confusing it with forbidding someone from bidding for the SAME tournament in consecutive cycles.

I know it's not without precedent, but the precedent is not one I'd like to see resume if I were to decide to stay on.

[Cafundeu]

I believe the WCC constitution was recently amended to prevent such an undertaking, Weegies.

I could be wrong, but I think we voted against allowing someone to bid on, say the Baptism of Fire for one cycle and the Cup of Harmony for the following cycle. Then again, I might be confusing it with forbidding someone from bidding for the SAME tournament in consecutive cycles.

I know it's not without precedent, but the precedent is not one I'd like to see resume if I were to decide to stay on.

Actually, the Constitution Ammendment only has forbidden users to host consecutive editions of the BoF or the CoH (with the same thing already being forbidden regarding the WC), so to host more than one competition in the same cycle is still legal... although I'm against this idea as long as there are other people interested in hosting. But, in the end, bidding for the three competitions is allowed, and the voters then decide if they approve this idea.

On a slightly-related news, CoH voting results.

[Legalese]

I was just about to answer the same Caf, until I'd realized that nobody had been bothered to go into the NSWC Signups account, and fix the Constitution, as posted in the first post of this very thread. Those edits have now been made, though I found a slight conflict in some of the language:

As per Starblaydia's proposal, approved recently regarding the CoH:

I propose the following amendment to the World Cup Constitution (changes in italics), which would come into force for the CoH for WC57.

1.1 The World Cup Committee

1.1.2 Rights and Obligations
WCC members are allowed to:
i) Nominate and vote for a WCC President and Vice-President
ii) Vote on World Cup hosting bids.
iii) Vote on Cup of Harmony hosting bids
iV) Propose and vote on changes to the WCC Constitution

1.2 The Executive World Cup Committee

1.2.2 Rights and Obligations
EWCC members are allowed to, in addition to the rights of a WCC member:
i) Vote on Baptism of Fire hosting bids.

That change has been made, but it technically leaves a conflicting problem:
(emphasis in red)

2.4 The Cup of Harmony
...

2.4.2 Hosting
i) Any nation that has previously participated in a World Cup may bid to host the Cup of Harmony, as long as this nation hasn't hosted the previous edition of the same event.
ii) Two-host bids are the preferred format, though any number of hosts are acceptable.
iii) The EWCC will be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids.

Now, we could just ignore it, or we could just have the easy fix done. As such, I propose the following:

That 2.4.2, line iii) of the WCC Constitution, be amended to read:
"iii) The WCC shall be directed by the President to vote: a) for one of the offered bids, b) to officially abstain, or c) to re-open the process for new bids."

Furthermore, I request that this change be made approved by a majority vote, owing to the fact that it's a housekeeping item, as opposed to a policy change.

[Sarzonia]

I second Legalese's motion. Even though the bastard beat me 5-2 in World Cup 18 qualifying.

Not that I'm bitter or anything!

[Legalese]

I second Legalese's motion. Even though the bastard beat me 5-2 in World Cup 18 qualifying.

Not that I'm bitter or anything!

Not to mention the CoH semifinals immediately following that, IIRC

[Sarzonia]

Actually, I think I beat you in the CoH 10 final thanks in part to a rhyming attorney general.