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[Draft] Repeal Condemn The Black Hawks

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[Draft] Repeal Condemn The Black Hawks

Postby Mahaj » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:02 am

Yep. Again. Here we go!

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

AWARE of the existence and intent of the Resolution Condemn The Black Hawks, henceforth known as CTBH,

REALIZING the claims of CTBH about raiding, and finding them absolutely false,

INFORMING the international community that raiding is indeed legal, that it is here to stay, that it is not underregulated as regulation is not needed at all, and that unsportsmanlike conduct can be found on both the sides of Raiders and Defenders,

BELIEVING that the Security Council should take more time to determine an official blanket position on raiding and not something hastily included in such a resolution as CTBH, where no expansion or elucidation was given and no explanation for such an inflammatory view was given,

AWARE that many nations have 'conspired' different Security Council proposals, such as, for example, a repeal of 'Condemn NAZI EUROPE' or repeal 'Condemn Macedon' or a repeal of 'Condemn Great Nepal' and
believing the drafting of those is not worthy of being mentioned in a condemnation, similar to a drafting of 'Commend The Black Hawks', and also
noting that 'Commend The Black Hawks' did not even come up to vote, unlike 'Repeal Condemn NAZI EUROPE' or 'Repeal Condemn Great Nepal' making it even less worthy of inclusion in a condemnation,

INFORMING nations that after CTBH was passed there was no targeting by The Black Hawks, contrary to the mindless speculation included in CTBH,

AWARE that CTBH claims that The Black Hawks have endangered the functioning and survival of The Security Council, yet The Black Hawks have no WA delegate, and there are far more defender regions involved in The Security Council, such as 10000 Islands, Eastern Islands of Dharma, Jethnea, Global Right Alliance, and others than raider regions involved in The Security Council, of which there are none,

REALIZING that The Black Hawks avoid using regional bans in most cases, except for in cases of regions that give them trouble, a notable example here is Vlaanderen, where The Black Hawks did a proper raid, albeit one poorly executed, and the region was not password protected, and the region has now been passed back to the natives,

DISGUSTED at the fearmongering tactics used in CTBH and sincerely wishing that these tactics not be used again,

HEREBY REPEALS Security Council Resolution #52 'Condemn The Black Hawks'.


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<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Flemingovia » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:55 am

Oh please, dear God no. For the love of all that is holy, don't do it.

Find another fixation like a porn channel.
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Postby Ballotonia » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:05 am

I'll support it, but don't like the text of the proposal.

That first "AWARE" clause for instance is utterly unreadable. I'm also not sure why you want to repeal it. Is the original resolution in your opinion untrue, could it be better drafted, do the items listed not add up to being condemn worthy? IMHO, pick one reasoning and make a clear and concise argument. Everything else is additional argumentation useful for the campaign. Don't mention everything, it's 'just' a repeal not legislation in and of itself.

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Postby Mahaj » Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:13 am

Ballotonia wrote:I'll support it, but don't like the text of the proposal.

That first "AWARE" clause for instance is utterly unreadable. I'm also not sure why you want to repeal it. Is the original resolution in your opinion untrue, could it be better drafted, do the items listed not add up to being condemn worthy? IMHO, pick one reasoning and make a clear and concise argument. Everything else is additional argumentation useful for the campaign. Don't mention everything, it's 'just' a repeal not legislation in and of itself.

Ballotonia

The main thing is that it is untrue, and untrue stuff combined is not worthy of being condemned. Not to mention that because of this the official view of raiding from the Security Council is that it is 'under regulated and frequently unsportsmanlike', which is untrue, and the Security Council should take more time to declare its stance on raiding.

The AWARE clause could be done better. I agree. I do believe that it brings up a good point, though.

Flemingovia wrote:Oh please, dear God no. For the love of all that is holy, don't do it.

Find another fixation like a porn channel.

Sorry, buddy.
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<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Aetrina » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:52 am

I would of course support this. I will be the first to admit that I am no expert on drafting resolutions but this one seems to be a bit "all over the place". I feel this is an important issue (also understanding that The Black Hawks are probably enjoying the condemnation). Imperialism and Defenderism are two sides to the same coin. Neither is "evil" neither is "good" They just are. The baseless stereotypes of imperialists being "evil" are simply ridiculous. I urge the author to continue his commendable job on getting this resolution to a vote and would offer any assistance I could.
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:56 am

to the 11 people that want me to give up: sorry. Ain't happening.
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Postby Yeeshkul » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:54 am

What about the five people who are against? :P

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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:07 am

Yeeshkul wrote:What about the five people who are against? :P

Eh. At least they don't want me to give up.
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<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Flemingovia » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:13 am

Mahaj wrote:
Yeeshkul wrote:What about the five people who are against? :P

Eh. At least they don't want me to give up.


Actually, I voted against and I ALSO really really want you to give up.
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:13 am

Flemingovia wrote:
Mahaj wrote:Eh. At least they don't want me to give up.


Actually, I voted against and I ALSO really really want you to give up.

Yes, I know that. But eh.
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Postby Flemingovia » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:14 am

Mahaj wrote:to the 11 people that want me to give up: sorry. Ain't happening.


then why make that an option if you are not going to listen?
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:20 am

Flemingovia wrote:
Mahaj wrote:to the 11 people that want me to give up: sorry. Ain't happening.


then why make that an option if you are not going to listen?

I want to go through with this, and I plan on. I just want to see how many people want me to give up.
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Postby Yeeshkul » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:36 am

Mahaj wrote:
Flemingovia wrote:
then why make that an option if you are not going to listen?

I want to go through with this, and I plan on. I just want to see how many people want me to give up.


How many times this has been submitted? It went to vote once (three weeks ago) and was voted down by 3,000 votes.
And now you're resubmitting it again, in the same form.

I doubt this attitude is going to please many delegates and voters. No wonder your resolution count is what it is, in spite of your activity.

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Postby Flemingovia » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:38 am

I personally believe he is an excellent roleplayer. He is roleplaying a puerile brat, and doing it perfectly. Deserves a commendation.
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Postby Butkicker » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:41 am

Vote Yes!!!

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Postby Flemingovia » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:47 am

because......?
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:53 am

Yeeshkul wrote:
Mahaj wrote:I want to go through with this, and I plan on. I just want to see how many people want me to give up.


How many times this has been submitted? It went to vote once (three weeks ago) and was voted down by 3,000 votes.
And now you're resubmitting it again, in the same form.

I doubt this attitude is going to please many delegates and voters. No wonder your resolution count is what it is, in spite of your activity.

This isn't the same form. This is almost completely different than from what was submitted a while before. Its also been a good while since that.

Flemingovia wrote:I personally believe he is an excellent roleplayer. He is roleplaying a puerile brat, and doing it perfectly. Deserves a commendation.

Jeez.
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Postby Flemingovia » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:59 am

Nope. If you were roleplaying Jesus there would be a totally different debate going on.
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:09 am

Flemingovia wrote:Nope. If you were roleplaying Jesus there would be a totally different debate going on.

[sigh]

I get it. I'm walking on very thin water right now.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:39 am

Flemingovia wrote:I personally believe he is an excellent roleplayer. He is roleplaying a puerile brat, and doing it perfectly. Deserves a commendation.

Flem, please. You're normally very good at arguing, but there was really no need for the flamebait there. I'm going to have to give you an unofficial warning for that.

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Postby Flemingovia » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:43 am

Accepted. I expected nothing less.
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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:50 am

Sedgistan wrote:
Flemingovia wrote:I personally believe he is an excellent roleplayer. He is roleplaying a puerile brat, and doing it perfectly. Deserves a commendation.

Flem, please. You're normally very good at arguing, but there was really no need for the flamebait there. I'm going to have to give you an unofficial warning for that.

I'm still not entirely sure what a flamebait is myself. Is it when you're taunting someone else into flaming you?
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<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:54 am

Mahaj wrote:I'm still not entirely sure what a flamebait is myself. Is it when you're taunting someone else into flaming you?

Yep. Official definition is:

One Stop Rules Shop wrote:Flamebait: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person.

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Postby Mahaj » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:54 am

Sedgistan wrote:
Mahaj wrote:I'm still not entirely sure what a flamebait is myself. Is it when you're taunting someone else into flaming you?

Yep. Official definition is:

One Stop Rules Shop wrote:Flamebait: Posts that are made with the aim of angering someone indirectly. Not outright flame, but still liable to bring angry replies. Flame baiting is a far more subtle and covert action; it is an underhanded tactic that is designed to provoke a response from another player. It's in the same context of trolling but with flamebaiting it's just the one person.

Ah. Thanks a lot, Sedge! :)
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<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Kulaloe » Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:57 pm

Better written this time. I am not sure as to why you would include conspiracy theories in your resolution though.

(Maybe) FOR this time.
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