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by Reoy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:06 pm
Again, this calls for a defining feature of a "nation", because they are are quite often just made up. Nations try to refer to a group of people who share genetic qualities, culture and are self-identifying. This means people need to come up with the idea of nation before the nation can even exist. Which means a people would cease to be a nation if they simply stop identifying as one, is that right?
by Greater Tezdrian » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:08 pm
Jakaragua wrote:Greater Tezdrian wrote:Pan-nationalism is heavily debated among 3Pists, but I personally would let them go, as they are not part of the national culture, and have their own.
Then there are big contradictions amongst many nations if we had this "Pan Nationalism". English/Welsh/Scottish Nationalists and British Nationalists... Spanish and Catalan/Basque nationalists... Albanian and Serbian nationalists.
Again, this calls for a defining feature of a "nation", because they are are quite often just made up. Nations try to refer to a group of people who share genetic qualities, culture and are self-identifying. This means people need to come up with the idea of nation before the nation can even exist. Which means a people would cease to be a nation if they simply stop identifying as one, is that right?
by Mercator Terra » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:11 pm
by Jakaragua » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:11 pm
Reoy wrote:Again, this calls for a defining feature of a "nation", because they are are quite often just made up. Nations try to refer to a group of people who share genetic qualities, culture and are self-identifying. This means people need to come up with the idea of nation before the nation can even exist. Which means a people would cease to be a nation if they simply stop identifying as one, is that right?
That's definitely true in the larger nations of Europe. What is "French?" Even Occitan and Cosmopolitaine are subjective because of in-country migration.
by Reoy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:15 pm
Mercator Terra wrote:Why though? Im nothing like anyone else. Im an individual.
by Mercator Terra » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:19 pm
by Reoy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:20 pm
by Greater Tezdrian » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:25 pm
Jakaragua wrote:Reoy wrote:
That's definitely true in the larger nations of Europe. What is "French?" Even Occitan and Cosmopolitaine are subjective because of in-country migration.
The reason why this doesn't spawn new nations is the fact that these groups did not come up with the idea of national identity. If, for example, Bavarians just came up with the idea of Bavarian nation they would immediately fulfill all the necessary definitions of nationality. As an example of the opposite, culture and genetics of the English colonists in America had no difference in relation to their British oppressors. Simply because the Americans identified themselves as a nation, they became one.
When politics is a way to solve issues of power and authority between groups, it is obvious that people should engage politics in groups based on power and authority, not petty differences. As differences between nations are entirely created by nationalist politics, choosing to organize by nationality is like choosing your favourite song based on the appearance of the singer.
by Buffett and Colbert » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:33 pm
CTALNH wrote:Changed the title happy
You-Gi-Owe wrote:If someone were to ask me about your online persona as a standard of your "date-ability", I'd rate you as "worth investigating further & passionate about beliefs". But, enough of the idle speculation on why you didn't score with the opposite gender.
by JJ Place » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:33 pm
CTALNH wrote:You all have heard something about communism and you all have some kind of opinion on it so let's talk about it.
And vote
Personally I am a hardcore Stalinist.
Please keep Flamming to a minimum
by Herrebrugh » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:39 pm
by Power and Stability » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:03 pm
Herrebrugh wrote:Well i'm basically a council communist or council marxist. Democratic communism ftw!
by Meryuma » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:33 pm
Greater Tezdrian wrote:Authority is the only thing that gets things done and keeps people in check.
Herrebrugh wrote:Well i'm basically a council communist or council marxist. Democratic communism ftw!
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Meryuma » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:36 pm
Herrebrugh wrote:Well i'm basically a council communist or council marxist. Democratic communism ftw!
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Power and Stability » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:39 pm
by Greater Tezdrian » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:40 pm
by Mercator Terra » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:45 pm
by Greater Tezdrian » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:47 pm
Mercator Terra wrote:*Gasp* "Oh look (insert authoritarian dictator here)" *fapfapfapfapfap*
by Mercator Terra » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:50 pm
by Greater Miami Shores » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:51 pm
by Meryuma » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:55 pm
Greater Tezdrian wrote:Meryuma wrote:
Do you need authority to go buy a beer? If it weren't for authority, would you gun people down in the street?
No, but authority is needed to make sure the people who make and sell the beer are paid. And to make sure that you don't die on your way to the pub. And no, I would not. But others sure as hell will.
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
by Zeth Rekia » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:55 pm
Mercator Terra wrote:*Gasp* "Oh look (insert authoritarian dictator here)" *fapfapfapfapfap*
by Mercator Terra » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:57 pm
by Greater Tezdrian » Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:58 pm
Meryuma wrote:Greater Tezdrian wrote:
No, but authority is needed to make sure the people who make and sell the beer are paid. And to make sure that you don't die on your way to the pub. And no, I would not. But others sure as hell will.
What powers do authorities have over "regular" people to decide those things? Why can't people decide those things for themselves? Also, I don't see why anyone would want to gun someone down in the street, unless they had severe mental issues. Besides, if someone was trying to gun you down in the street, you could fight back, plus try and get them to compensate you for what they did.
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