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Should FOMA be replaced? (Read 1st post)

Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:34 pm

To anyone:

Feel free to write a piece of replacement legislation that we could enact immediately after a repeal of FOMA (if such could be achieved).

Also, realize that the LGBT community already has extensive protection from other resolutions (i.e., those protecting sexual privacy and preventing discrimination).

I believe a more broadly acceptable resolution recognizing domestic partnerships would be better than FOMA and also would respect national sovereignty.

I will not debate this issue any further, at least for the meantime, while I focus on the "Beginning of Life Act" for which a ruling just was made.

MERRY CHRISTMAS


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Waiting for the moderators to make a ruling on one of my proposals, the Beginning of Life Act, an act that would ban elective third trimester abortions; recognizing that the predecessor to the World Assembly was able to repeal gay marriage by a vote of 8,776 to 5,767 in HR #173 (8/30/2006); recognizing that HR #182, the Marriage Protection Act (authored by Witchcliff), passed 11,301 to 3,260 (10/20/2006); and noting that today's assembly (and, in fact, most of the real world) is more socially progressive than its predecessor assembly, I want to try to repeal and believe it is quite possible to repeal GAR #15, the Freedom of Marriage Act.

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BELIEVING that individual governments should have a right to define marriage as they see fit or to privatize marriage,

BELIEVING that the imposition of an international definition of marriage, applied to all member nations, is extremely difficult due to wide ranging differences and that doing so causes serious problems for those nations with unusual marriage laws and customs,

RECOGNIZING that some World Assembly member states are theocracies, wherein the Church is the State and that, in effect, the State is a religious community, and that some state religions view homosexual acts as immoral,

RECOGNIZING that, in some World Assembly member states, marriage is always a religious rite,

RECOGNIZING that the Freedom of Marriage Act (FOMA) shows little respect for a sovereign nation's societal structure,

RECOGNIZING that there can be a compelling state interest to recognize only heterosexual marriages in order to promote procreation, a continuance of the population, or an expansion of the population,

NOTING that conjugal acts are a common, if not integral, part of a marriage and that, currently, children cannot be begotten of homosexual acts,

BELIEVING that the recognition of homosexual marriages can lead to violence against the LGBT community in certain nations hostile to homosexuality and wanting to prevent such violence,

RECOGNIZING that the bequeathal of property is not integrally connected with marriage and that such bequeathal can occur through legal wills,

COMMENDING the former nation of Mendosia, the author of FOMA, for standing by its ideology and attempting to advance LGBT rights,

AFFIRMING that some nations may choose to recognize civil unions, domestic partnerships, or similar contracts after the enactment of this repeal,

BELIEVING that marriage is not a significant human right, as stated by FOMA,

WELCOMING religious nations or nations otherwise opposed to the recognition of homosexual marriages who are not members of the World Assembly because of FOMA to join the World Assembly because of this repeal,

AFFIRMING that, under a grandfather clause, member states must continue to recognize the marriages of those homosexual couples that are already married, and

ENCOURAGING the General Assembly to enact legislation after this repeal to provide benefits to gay and lesbian couples in committed, lifelong relationships,

The General Assembly hereby repeals Resolution #15, the Freedom of Marriage Act.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:52 pm

We can not support any repeal attempt of the Freedom of Marriage Act.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:55 pm

C.D., I... Guh...

When I said "Work on another resolution"... THIS ISN'T WHAT I MEANT. :palm:

Pretty sure it's legal, so AGAINST
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:58 pm

The Rich Port wrote:C.D., I... Guh...

When I said "Work on another resolution"... THIS ISN'T WHAT I MEANT. :palm:

Pretty sure it's legal, so AGAINST

Writing repeals is somewhat easier than trying to write new proposals.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:01 pm

The World Assembly is not likely to make a complete about-face towards social conservatism anytime soon.

Also, you have a branding problem in there. And you're legislating something new. (The grandfather clause.)
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:04 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:C.D., I... Guh...

When I said "Work on another resolution"... THIS ISN'T WHAT I MEANT. :palm:

Pretty sure it's legal, so AGAINST

Writing repeals is somewhat easier than trying to write new proposals.


Oh, well that's effin' great. You're absolutely right in that department.

You couldn't repeal something ANYMORE SENSIBLE? GAWD...
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:04 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:Also, you have a branding problem in there. And you're legislating something new. (The grandfather clause.)

I was wondering if that is or isn't legal because, without that clause, the result of this repeal, if passed, would be uncertain.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:07 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I was wondering if that is or isn't legal because, without that clause, the result of this repeal, if passed, would be uncertain.

The only thing a repeal can do is repeal. It can't introduce any additional legislation. Right now, your repeal is adding a grandfather clause, as well as granting nations the right to legalize 'civil unions, domestic partnerships, or similar contracts.'

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:07 pm

I hope the region of Gay won't try to condemn me for this. That wouldn't be very fabulous for my nation.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:09 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I was wondering if that is or isn't legal because, without that clause, the result of this repeal, if passed, would be uncertain.

The only thing a repeal can do is repeal. It can't introduce any additional legislation. Right now, your repeal is adding a grandfather clause, as well as granting nations the right to legalize 'civil unions, domestic partnerships, or similar contracts.'

I'm not worried about the civil unions clause because I am not enacting anything new; I'm simply stating what nations will be able to do as a result of this repeal, if passed.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:09 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I hope the region of Gay won't try to condemn me for this. That wouldn't be very fabulous for my nation.


>:(
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Postby Unibot » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:11 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:RECOGNIZING that some World Assembly member states are theocracies, wherein the Church is the State and that, in effect, the State is a religious community, and that some state religions view homosexual acts as immoral,


They also might support slavery or genital mutilation.. and do I give a shit if they view it as moral? Nope, and probably never will. .. give me a good reason why we should be allowed to treat someone differently on the basis of their sexual orientation.. and maybe I'll consider this tripe. But I honestly don't care if some people think otherwise than my ideals of social equality and freedom, people are capable of harboring some very dumb, very hurtful, very disturbing notions. Homophobia is one of those notions.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:13 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I hope the region of Gay won't try to condemn me for this. That wouldn't be very fabulous for my nation.


:eyebrow:

Though the guy in that video didn't seem to be one . . .

BEWARE OF BEARS!!! :shock: . . . you don't want to make one angry.
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:16 pm

Unibot wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:RECOGNIZING that some World Assembly member states are theocracies, wherein the Church is the State and that, in effect, the State is a religious community, and that some state religions view homosexual acts as immoral,


They also might support slavery or genital mutilation.. and do I give a shit if they view it as moral? Nope, and probably never will. .. give me a good reason why we should be allowed to treat someone differently on the basis of their sexual orientation.. and maybe I'll consider this tripe. But I honestly don't care if some people think otherwise than my ideals of social equality and freedom, people are capable of harboring some very dumb, very hurtful, very disturbing notions. Homophobia is one of those notions.


Coming from that angle, are there really that many extreme theocratic countries in The World?

Honestly, C.D., this is nothing but pandering to religious nations, who probably aren't even a significant number. Not to mention that they're not willing to submit an objective opinion.
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Postby Unibot » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:17 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I hope the region of Gay won't try to condemn me for this. That wouldn't be very fabulous for my nation.


Eduard took a breather, "Okay bud. I'm going to count to ten.. and if you back down and never touch this trash again.. we'll all forget about and leave it to rest. But if you continue this tripe in its current form and especially if you continue it with ostentatious stereotyping .. my delegation will not only help Gay write a condemnation of you, I will personally lobby it and see the process through. As you can see, I've got a pretty good record at getting these condemnations passed. So leave it or wear it. Homophobia and anti-homosexual remarks aren't going to be tolerated by the Unibotian delegation and I have a sneaking suspicion that you underestimate the number of voters out there that would agree with me. "

So, do you feel lucky.. punk?

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:18 pm

Unibot wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:RECOGNIZING that some World Assembly member states are theocracies, wherein the Church is the State and that, in effect, the State is a religious community, and that some state religions view homosexual acts as immoral,


They also might support slavery or genital mutilation.. and do I give a [s***] if they view it as moral? Nope, and probably never will. .. give me a good reason why we should be allowed to treat someone differently on the basis of their sexual orientation.. and maybe I'll consider this tripe. But I honestly don't care if some people think otherwise than my ideals of social equality and freedom, people are capable of harboring some very dumb, very hurtful, very disturbing notions. Homophobia is one of those notions.

The recognition of a gay union provides legitimacy to a non-procreative relationship (i.e., sexual act).
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Kelssek » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:21 pm

RECOGNIZING that there can be a compelling state interest to recognize only heterosexual marriages in order to promote procreation, a continuance of the population, or an expansion of the population,

NOTING that conjugal acts are a common, if not integral, part of a marriage and that, currently, children cannot be begotten of homosexual acts,


Oh yes, because if gay people can't get married, they'll turn straight and breed like rabbits, apparently.

BELIEVING that the recognition of homosexual marriages can lead to violence against the LGBT community in certain nations hostile to homosexuality and wanting to prevent such violence,


This sounds a completely specious assertation to me. Homophobic people will be persecuting homosexuals whether homosexuals can get married or not.

Now I must head off to my legation's Festivus dinner before my eyes roll right out of their sockets.

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Postby Sanctaria » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:21 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:C.D., I... Guh...

When I said "Work on another resolution"... THIS ISN'T WHAT I MEANT. :palm:

Pretty sure it's legal, so AGAINST

Writing repeals is somewhat easier than trying to write new proposals.


Actually, I'm almost certain it's illegal - repeals cannot introduce brand new legislation, as this current draft intends to do with the so called "grandfather clause". Referring to the author by name, and current nation status, within the text of the proposal is also illegal by branding, I do believe.

To the text itself, some noteworthy comments that I have from the outset.

1.
Christian Democrats wrote:NOTING that conjugal acts are a common, if not integral, part of a marriage and that, currently, children cannot be begotten of homosexual acts


Currently, children cannot be begotten of sterile heterosexual acts. Would the author be as so bold as to say that marriages between sterile couples should also be rendered void?

2.
Christian Democrats wrote:RECOGNIZING that there can be a compelling state interest to recognize only heterosexual marriages in order to promote procreation, a continuance of the population, or an expansion of the population


He seems to suggest so with the above. Would someone, having to become sterile due to a medical complication, result in having their marriage voided?

3. I'm further in the belief that
Christian Democrats wrote:ENCOURAGING the General Assembly to enact legislation after this repeal to provide benefits to gay and lesbian couples in committed, lifelong relationships


would be in direct contradiction with

Christian Democrats wrote:BELIEVING that the recognition of homosexual marriages can lead to violence against the LGBT community in certain nations hostile to homosexuality and wanting to prevent such violence


Let's strip them of the right to being married, due to violence, but let them continue claiming benefits available to couples and the violence will magically go away. Yes, because those who are opposed to gay marriage will allow "marriage-in-all-but-name" to continue.

4.
Christian Democrats wrote: RECOGNIZING that the Freedom of Marriage Act (FOMA) shows little respect for a sovereign nation's societal structure


Source? The Act boils down to the idea that anyone can get married, regardless of sexual orientation and/or gender. People can work, buy houses, take out loans, volunteer and contribute to the economy without impacting the nation's societal structure - what's different about marriage.

There are many other flaws with this proposal, the above just the obvious ones. I am fundamentally opposed to this draft that would see the devestating setback of the human-rights, and more specifically, LGBT rights movements.

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The Cinistran government applauds any attempt to strip people of their so called "rights" :clap: . We are grateful for Christian Democrats to bring this one up, so we do not have to do it ourselves. Approved. Please continue your admirable work.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:24 pm

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Christian Democrats wrote:I hope the region of Gay won't try to condemn me for this. That wouldn't be very fabulous for my nation.


Eduard took a breather, "Okay bud. I'm going to count to ten.. and if you back down and never touch this trash again.. we'll all forget about and leave it to rest. But if you continue this tripe in its current form and especially if you continue it with ostentatious stereotyping .. my delegation will not only help Gay write a condemnation of you, I will personally lobby it and see the process through. As you can see, I've got a pretty good record at getting these condemnations passed. So leave it or wear it. Homophobia and anti-homosexual remarks aren't going to be tolerated by the Unibotian delegation and I have a sneaking suspicion that you underestimate the number of voters out there that would agree with me. "

So, do you feel lucky.. punk?

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A joke using the word "fabulous" is hardly homophobic or anti-homosexual especially considering the presence of the term in the name of the nation who is Gay's founder, The Fabulous Founder of LGBT Equality.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Christian Democrats wrote:
Unibot wrote:
Eduard took a breather, "Okay bud. I'm going to count to ten.. and if you back down and never touch this trash again.. we'll all forget about and leave it to rest. But if you continue this tripe in its current form and especially if you continue it with ostentatious stereotyping .. my delegation will not only help Gay write a condemnation of you, I will personally lobby it and see the process through. As you can see, I've got a pretty good record at getting these condemnations passed. So leave it or wear it. Homophobia and anti-homosexual remarks aren't going to be tolerated by the Unibotian delegation and I have a sneaking suspicion that you underestimate the number of voters out there that would agree with me. "

So, do you feel lucky.. punk?

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A joke using the word "fabulous" is hardly homophobic or anti-homosexual especially considering the presence of the term in the name of the nation who is Gay's founder, The Fabulous Founder of LGBT Equality.


"One." Eduard said, twitching his eyes.
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Postby GeneralHaNor » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:28 pm

We have no legally recognized union that can be defined as Marriage

therefore we support this repeal

we don't need teh WA dictating our customs
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Cinistra wrote:The Cinistran government applauds any attempt to strip people of their so called "rights" :clap: . We are grateful for Christian Democrats to bring this one up, so we do not have to do it ourselves. Approved. Please continue your admirable work.


When Cinistra likes it, it cannot in any way be good.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:28 pm

Kelssek wrote:
RECOGNIZING that there can be a compelling state interest to recognize only heterosexual marriages in order to promote procreation, a continuance of the population, or an expansion of the population,

NOTING that conjugal acts are a common, if not integral, part of a marriage and that, currently, children cannot be begotten of homosexual acts,


Oh yes, because if gay people can't get married, they'll turn straight and breed like rabbits, apparently.

BELIEVING that the recognition of homosexual marriages can lead to violence against the LGBT community in certain nations hostile to homosexuality and wanting to prevent such violence,


This sounds a completely specious assertation to me. Homophobic people will be persecuting homosexuals whether homosexuals can get married or not.

Now I must head off to my legation's Festivus dinner before my eyes roll right out of their sockets.

Erin Caswell
First Secretary, Permanent Mission of Kelssek to the WA

A) Those who say that a gay man is gay just because he hasn't met the right woman yet are nuts.

B) Violence against the LGBT community, which is wrong, is intensified by recognition of gay marriages because stupid, angry straights use it as a pretense to attack LGBT people and/or the areas where they hang out.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:29 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:A joke using the word "fabulous" is hardly homophobic or anti-homosexual especially considering the presence of the term in the name of the nation who is Gay's founder, The Fabulous Founder of LGBT Equality.

As one of quite a few LGBT regulars, I can see how your use could be offensive. The pink color, the mocking tone, etc.

Anyways, regarding the civil unions clause, it is introducing new legislation. By saying that nations 'may' do it, the World Assembly is granting them a right to do it.

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