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The average income tax rate is 100%.

Postby African Supremacy » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:49 pm

Not sure if this is a game flaw or not, but can anyone explain to me why I can have a taxrate of 100%. Since I got no significant wellfare the population how does the citizens stay alive, does everyone grow food while they are not doing slave labour?

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Postby Indeos » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:51 pm

Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:53 pm

Maybe they're making money the government doesn't know about. I see that you have a "slick and efficient black market in Arms Manufacturing..."

Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.

Incorrect. NONE of my nations have even come close to 100% tax. My oldest nation, Fergi America, has no income tax at all, and neither does this one!
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:53 pm

African Supremacy wrote:Not sure if this is a game flaw or not, but can anyone explain to me why I can have a taxrate of 100%. Since I got no significant wellfare the population how does the citizens stay alive, does everyone grow food while they are not doing slave labour?


It's possible (and likely) that in this case, the government subsidizes 100% of all required costs, including things like food, and transit needs, things like that.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:54 pm

Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.


Not accurate. I believe my tax rate is at, or close to 0%.
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Postby Tartonica » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:55 pm

Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.


Some manage to shy away from it. I've had 100% for several months without end, and just recently, I decided to decrease the tax amount.
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Postby Lenyo » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:56 pm

Tartonica wrote:
Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.


Some manage to shy away from it. I've had 100% for several months without end, and just recently, I decided to decrease the tax amount.

I RP a 2/3 income tax. 100% is only for the genuinely communist.
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Postby GraySoap » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:56 pm

Der Teutoniker wrote:
Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.


Not accurate. I believe my tax rate is at, or close to 0%.
My nations tax rate never reached over 30% (the starting rate). It has been 0% for some time.
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Postby Swilatia » Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:59 pm

Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.

Nope. Some of us end up with no tax eventually.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:02 pm

GraySoap wrote:Not accurate. I believe my tax rate is at, or close to 0%.
My nations tax rate never reached over 30% (the starting rate). It has been 0% for some time.[/quote]

Mine was at 100% for quite a while. I just decreased spending at every possible opportunity. Took me a month or two.
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Postby JJ Place » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:02 pm

African Supremacy wrote:Not sure if this is a game flaw or not, but can anyone explain to me why I can have a taxrate of 100%. Since I got no significant wellfare the population how does the citizens stay alive, does everyone grow food while they are not doing slave labour?


It's just a bit of a problem with the coding of NS; it's not really a glitch, the game allows for a 100% tax rate in the code. It doesn't take realism into the equation at all; you can have a 100% tax rate, and spend 100% of your government funds on Defense and Law & Order, yet your nation can still have a perfect economy. The tax rate is independent of most all other functions of your nations; it's a strange little feature.

New Nicksyllvania wrote:You only get 100% if you constantly approve issues that increase government expenditures.


Correct, just keep spending and taxing more, and your tax rate will be 100% in no time.
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Postby Indeos » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:03 pm

Okay, okay. A lot of people seem to get 100% though.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:08 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:You only get 100% if you constantly approve issues that increase government expenditures.

I believe it is NS's exaggerated way of saying your government spending is absurd.


That, and the issue mechanic. Say you want to increase defense spending. So you approve a military issue. If you get that same issue in two weeks, and say yes to the military option, your taxes will increase (as well as military spending) again, despite already having that same policy. Also, I believe your tax rate can exceed 100% (in that it decreases, but wouldn't drop below 100% at the first decrease.)
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Postby JJ Place » Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:18 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
JJ Place wrote:
African Supremacy wrote:Not sure if this is a game flaw or not, but can anyone explain to me why I can have a taxrate of 100%. Since I got no significant wellfare the population how does the citizens stay alive, does everyone grow food while they are not doing slave labour?


It's just a bit of a problem with the coding of NS; it's not really a glitch, the game allows for a 100% tax rate in the code. It doesn't take realism into the equation at all; you can have a 100% tax rate, and spend 100% of your government funds on Defense and Law & Order, yet your nation can still have a perfect economy. The tax rate is independent of most all other functions of your nations; it's a strange little feature.

New Nicksyllvania wrote:You only get 100% if you constantly approve issues that increase government expenditures.


Correct, just keep spending and taxing more, and your tax rate will be 100% in no time.


Economic calculators take your tax rate into consideration (as it does with civil liberties and political freedoms for some reason)

Besides, there is an issue that gives you 0% taxation immediately. Sure it absolutely tanks your economy, but you can bring that up easier then lowering it. It's what I used.


Which calculators do you speak of, and which issue immediately drops your tax rate to zero percent?
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Postby Carls-land » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:45 am

eventually you will end up with a 100% or 0% tax rate.

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Postby Georgism » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:52 am

Carls-land wrote:eventually you will end up with a 100% or 0% tax rate.

That's not true.
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Postby Birnadia » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:25 am

New Nicksyllvania wrote:You only get 100% if you constantly approve issues that increase government expenditures.

I believe it is NS's exaggerated way of saying your government spending is absurd.

Thing is, issues repeat themselves.
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Postby Hectanor » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:28 am

Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.

but then how do people earn money to buy stuff? unless u got urself a hardout blackmarket gun running business?

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Postby L3 Communications » Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:48 am

Indeos wrote:Everyone ends up with 100% tax eventually.


*Points at self*

I got mine down from 100% quite some time ago. It's easy if you keep your government small and reasonable.
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Postby SUPERFISHPIE » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:05 pm

Yeh, I got that. I just can't help not giving public services to folk- on issues it's always like 'public service!' or 'more economy! but not stuff for poor people'. Also, when there was an issue about the budget, so I gave everyone a tax cut, but my tax was still 100% :)
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Postby Kington Langley » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:54 am

If you look, most tax rates hit 100% in democratic nations. If you constantly go with government programs that will increase your civil rights and political freedoms your government has to of course fund these projects like a National Health Service costs money, helping the homeless costs money and Unemployment benefits cost the government money etc. This shows that whenever you try to help your people it raises the tax rates eventually leading it to eventually reach 100%. Of course most european nations like us in the UK has all of these things and tax rates remain below 50% in these countries but you have to remember that nationstates is not a state-of-the-art political simulator and it doesn't take good old human common sense into account.

It is also important to note that 100% is the maximum amount it will show on the screen when your actual tax rate could be higher than that still!
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