NATION

PASSWORD

Is Islam a Religion of Peace

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Is Islam a Religion of Peace

Yes, Islam is a religion of peace
44
11%
It is neither peaceful or violent
154
40%
No, Islam is not a religion of peace
187
49%
 
Total votes : 385

User avatar
The Empire of Pretantia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 39273
Founded: Oct 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 am

IndependentGreenland wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:There is not one prophet in Christianity that is not a prophet in Islam.

Jesus was a prophet

What a heathen.
Last edited by The Empire of Pretantia on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
ywn be as good as this video
Gacha
Trashing other people's waifus
Anti-NN
EA
Douche flutes
Zimbabwe
Putting the toilet paper roll the wrong way
Every single square inch of Asia
Lewding Earth-chan
Pollution
4Chan in all its glory and all its horror
Playing the little Switch controller handheld thing in public
Treading on me
Socialism, Communism, Anarchism, and all their cousins and sisters and brothers and wife's sons
Alternate Universe 40K
Nightcore
Comcast
Zimbabwe
Believing the Ottomans were the third Roman Empire
Parodies of the Gadsden flag
The Fate Series
US politics

User avatar
Romakivila
Diplomat
 
Posts: 519
Founded: Jun 02, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Romakivila » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 am

Elepis wrote:
Mefpan wrote:He said Jehovah! Stone him!


Mefpan said Jehovah stone him!

Are there any women here today?
Why don't you have a seat please?

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 am

Nariterrr wrote:
IndependentGreenland wrote:Jesus was a prophet, he was a peaceful one too. He performed miracles unlike Muhammad. I personally question the miracles part and I believe in science however I do believe that Jesus rose from the dead and became immortal. Unlike Muhammad.

Ok... and?

Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. They literally believe everything you believe minus that he is the son of god and died on the cross (they believe he was lifted up into heaven before he could die.)

And that he will come back again in the end times to slay the false Army of Rome and save the last virtuous Muslims holed up in Jerusalem.
Last edited by Olerand on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
Nanatsu no Tsuki
Post-Apocalypse Survivor
 
Posts: 203927
Founded: Feb 10, 2008
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:37 am

IndependentGreenland wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
A YT video? Nah.

You can't be arsed to see the truth. Because of people like you, Islam and Marxism still exist.


I see the truth. You, on the other hand, are part of the problem. And sorry, but after reading your signature, I can't be arsed to indulge you and your fearmongering. Yuck.
Slava Ukraini
Also: THERNSY!!
Your story isn't over;֍Help save transgender people's lives֍Help for feral cats
Cat with internet access||Supposedly heartless, & a d*ck.||Is maith an t-earra an tsíocháin.||No TGs
RIP: Dyakovo & Ashmoria

User avatar
Reploid Productions
Director of Moderation
 
Posts: 30511
Founded: Antiquity
Democratic Socialists

Postby Reploid Productions » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:37 am

IndependentGreenland wrote:They start accumulating in countries and then start terrorizing it with gangs of rapists, violence and civil disruption.

They are possessed, demon possessed. They seek to spread fear and violence, they are pawns of the devil who feeds off of the fear and suffering they create for power.

Just as their leader, Mohammad, they use "God" as an excuse to prey on innocent people. Mohammad was a robber and a thief, his followers are no different.

It is not the Most High God they serve, but Satan.

Since the last warning about how you conduct your hate-on for Islam has apparently failed to penetrate and make it clear that Nationstates has conduct rules you are required to follow as a condition of using the site...

*** IndependentGreenland, 3-day ban for trolling. ***

Image
~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku
Forum mod since May 8, 2003 -- Game mod since May 19, 2003 -- Nation turned 20 on March 23, 2023!
Sunset's DoGA FAQ - For those using DoGA to make their NS military and such.
One Stop Rules Shop -- Reppy's Sig Workshop -- Getting Help Page
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
Char Aznable/Giant Meteor 2024! - Forcing humanity to move into space and progress whether we goddamn want to or not!

User avatar
Romakivila
Diplomat
 
Posts: 519
Founded: Jun 02, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Romakivila » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:37 am

Nariterrr wrote:
IndependentGreenland wrote:Jesus was a prophet, he was a peaceful one too. He performed miracles unlike Muhammad. I personally question the miracles part and I believe in science however I do believe that Jesus rose from the dead and became immortal. Unlike Muhammad.

Ok... and?

Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. They literally believe everything you believe minus that he is the son of god and died on the cross (they believe he was lifted up into heaven before he could die.)

Well I haven't seen a lot of cheek turning from Islamists.
Why don't you have a seat please?

User avatar
The Klishi Islands
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1873
Founded: Oct 30, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby The Klishi Islands » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:38 am

Heavenhold wrote:
The Klishi Islands wrote:
See, I think comments like "Islam was, is, and forever will be a violent religion" are extremely inflammatory, and lead to the isolation and radicalization of Muslims in society. I look at Islam the same way I look at every religion: the vast, vast majority of adherents are peaceful and don't wish for violence (because, you know, violence sucks) but there are always small-scale radical interpretations or warpings of the religion and its texts to justify war.

I think the current issues Islam is facing within society have roots elsewhere. For example, the "youth bulge" in many Middle Eastern societies, coupled with non-diverse economies and arbitrary borders, pushes people (especially young men) to the fringes of the belief system. Look at countries with diverse economies, less random borders, or lower birth rates (like Indonesia or India) and you'll see far less radicalization. Look at historical societies like pre-Nazi Germany, pre-revolution Russia, and pre-revolution China and you'll see youth bulges. It's, strangely, a fairly accurate predictor of unrest.

For more reading on the youth bulge, see here.


That's a very possible theory. I will admit that i had no idea what the youth bulge was. But if that's the case, why don'y we see young Christians wage another "Crusade" against them? Shouldn't there be thousands of Christian/Islamic skirmishes across the globe and not just Islamic fighters massacring Christians on the daily?


Christian societies don't have youth bulges nowadays. Europe and the Americas have far lower birthrates than Muslim societies (a correlation, by the way, not a causation). Europe's population structures are actually top-heavy, which is why many consider it necessary for Germany and Europe to bring in immigrants to support the economy.

Also, those Christian nations with youth bulges (such as a couple South American nations and much of sub-Saharan Africa) either do see religious strife between Islam and Christianity or are preoccupied with other types of societal unrest.

The point is that demographics and economics are far better indicators of radicalization in a society than religion.
Economic Center-Left, Social Libertarian. Basically an ebul establishment neoliberal.
The political compass is no longer objective, so I've removed it from my sig. TG me for my specific positions.
"Bullshit is everywhere. There is very little that you will encounter in life that has not been, in some ways, infused with bullshit." ~ Jon Stewart

Minds are like parachutes. They only function when open. ~ Unknown

These quotes sum up how I feel about the political climate in America. Let's try to keep the debate healthy, open, and honest

User avatar
Heavenhold
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 20
Founded: Jul 29, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Heavenhold » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:38 am

Olerand wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Ok... and?

Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. They literally believe everything you believe minus that he is the son of god and died on the cross (they believe he was lifted up into heaven before he could die.)

And that he will come back again in the end times to slay the false Army of Rome and save the last virtuous Muslims holed up in Jerusalem.


Excuse me, sir.

*Long, drawn out, snot-induced clearing of throat.*. Uhm. What?

User avatar
Nariterrr
Minister
 
Posts: 2435
Founded: Jan 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Nariterrr » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:38 am

Romakivila wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Ok... and?

Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. They literally believe everything you believe minus that he is the son of god and died on the cross (they believe he was lifted up into heaven before he could die.)

Well I haven't seen a lot of cheek turning from Islamists.

Because they are Islamists. You didn't get a lot of cheek turning from the crusades, the inquisitions and the colonizers.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

User avatar
Nariterrr
Minister
 
Posts: 2435
Founded: Jan 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Nariterrr » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:39 am

Heavenhold wrote:
Olerand wrote:And that he will come back again in the end times to slay the false Army of Rome and save the last virtuous Muslims holed up in Jerusalem.


Excuse me, sir.

*Long, drawn out, snot-induced clearing of throat.*. Uhm. What?

The rapture.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59294
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:40 am

IndependentGreenland wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
A YT video? Nah.

You can't be arsed to see the truth. Because of people like you, Islam and Marxism still exist.

Mate, k
Last edited by The Huskar Social Union on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
The Nexus of Man
Diplomat
 
Posts: 695
Founded: Oct 11, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Nexus of Man » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:41 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Romakivila wrote:Well I haven't seen a lot of cheek turning from Islamists.

Because they are Islamists. You didn't get a lot of cheek turning from the crusades, the inquisitions and the colonizers.


Of course the Christians won't turn their cheek from this, since during the era of the Crusades, a vast statistical majority of the battles were offensively invoked by the "Saracens" (i.e Muslims). These were defensive wars for Christianity, with only meek tirades of territory being conquered into the Holy Land in order to uproot the Islamic war machine from one of their primary objectives of control.

User avatar
Heavenhold
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 20
Founded: Jul 29, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Heavenhold » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
IndependentGreenland wrote:You can't be arsed to see the truth. Because of people like you, Islam and Marxism still exist.

Mate, k

It seems like when anybody says Marxism, you appear from the shadows.

User avatar
Unified Governments
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1068
Founded: Mar 10, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Unified Governments » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:41 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Romakivila wrote:Well I haven't seen a lot of cheek turning from Islamists.

Because they are Islamists. You didn't get a lot of cheek turning from the crusades, the inquisitions and the colonizers.

Which was centuries ago. Islam sill practices barbaric Jihad in modern times. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment. Islam did not. Islam waged wars of conquest in the Middle East, North Africa, and Spain. Christianity only waged the Crusades in the Middle East, primarily Israel.
The Alliance of Unified Governments
I, Pencil
Yes, nuking Japan was justified
"When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor." - Bernie Sanders
Remember, people once rioted over pumpkins

User avatar
Romakivila
Diplomat
 
Posts: 519
Founded: Jun 02, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Romakivila » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:42 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Romakivila wrote:Well I haven't seen a lot of cheek turning from Islamists.

Because they are Islamists. You didn't get a lot of cheek turning from the crusades, the inquisitions and the colonizers.

Which happened centuries ago and very few devout Christians condone the inquisition, crusades, and colonizers. However, do you think that Islam is a religion of peace?
Why don't you have a seat please?

User avatar
Elepis
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8963
Founded: Jan 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Elepis » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:42 am

Heavenhold wrote:
Olerand wrote:And that he will come back again in the end times to slay the false Army of Rome and save the last virtuous Muslims holed up in Jerusalem.


Excuse me, sir.

*Long, drawn out, snot-induced clearing of throat.*. Uhm. What?


That's what Islam teaches, that Christ will save the world
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

User avatar
Nariterrr
Minister
 
Posts: 2435
Founded: Jan 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Nariterrr » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:42 am

Unified Governments wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Because they are Islamists. You didn't get a lot of cheek turning from the crusades, the inquisitions and the colonizers.

Which was centuries ago. Islam sill practices barbaric Jihad in modern times. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment. Islam did not. Islam waged wars of conquest in the Middle East, North Africa, and Spain. Christianity only waged the Crusades in the Middle East, primarily Israel.

LOL, no Christianity did wage war in both Europe and Africa, also in East Asia.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:43 am

Heavenhold wrote:
Olerand wrote:And that he will come back again in the end times to slay the false Army of Rome and save the last virtuous Muslims holed up in Jerusalem.


Excuse me, sir.

*Long, drawn out, snot-induced clearing of throat.*. Uhm. What?

In the Islamic end of times, Jesus, or the Prophet Issa will come back and destroy the Army of Rome led by the Antichrist and fight with the last virtuous Muslims still on Earth holed up in Jerusalem.
Last edited by Olerand on Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
Aelex
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11398
Founded: Jun 05, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Aelex » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:43 am

Nariterrr wrote:Ok... and?

Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. They literally believe everything you believe minus that he is the son of god and died on the cross (they believe he was lifted up into heaven before he could die.)

And as a christian, I believe in everything that muslims do about Mahomet except that he was a prophet and received any revelations from God.
See how believing in someone minus their primary role make you not actually believe in him at all?

Moreover, not only do Muslims deny the deity of Christ and his martyrdom for our sins, on both of which Christianity is more or less based upon, they also refuse to accept the trinity making the supposed comparison look even stupider.

So, really, no. Just no.
Citoyen Français. Bonapartiste Républicain (aka De Gaule's Gaullisme) with Keynesian leanings on economics. Latin Christian.

User avatar
Elepis
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8963
Founded: Jan 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Elepis » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:43 am

Heavenhold wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Mate, k

It seems like when anybody says Marxism, you appear from the shadows.


I was late, wanted a halal snack pack
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

User avatar
Germanic Scyths
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 367
Founded: May 06, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Germanic Scyths » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 am

Olerand wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Ok... and?

Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet. They literally believe everything you believe minus that he is the son of god and died on the cross (they believe he was lifted up into heaven before he could die.)

And that he will come back again in the end times to slay the false Army of Rome and save the last virtuous Muslims holed up in Jerusalem.

That's a new Hadith, where's that from?
Sunni Muslim with interest in Sufism, degree in Catholic Theology.

Philosophical: Great interest in Plotinus and Neoplatonism. Politically influenced by Plato's Republic, Machiavelli's "The Prince" and the Qu'ran.
Religious: Hanafi/Ashari Muslim.
Caliphate of the Netherlands is my RP nation
Favorite Quran recitation

User avatar
Olerand
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13169
Founded: Sep 18, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Heavenhold wrote:
Excuse me, sir.

*Long, drawn out, snot-induced clearing of throat.*. Uhm. What?

The rapture.

Non, there is no rapture.

Elepis wrote:
Heavenhold wrote:
Excuse me, sir.

*Long, drawn out, snot-induced clearing of throat.*. Uhm. What?


That's what Islam teaches, that Christ will save the world

No, he will save the Muslims of the world. The others will be followed of the Antichrist and will be slain.
French citizen. Still a Socialist Party member. Ségolène Royal 2019, I guess Actually I might vote la France Insoumise.

Qui suis-je?:
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

User avatar
Aelex
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11398
Founded: Jun 05, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Aelex » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 am

Elepis wrote:That's what Islam teaches, that Christ will save the world

Rectification, that he will lead army of Muslims to slaughter Christians and Jews.
Big difference.
Citoyen Français. Bonapartiste Républicain (aka De Gaule's Gaullisme) with Keynesian leanings on economics. Latin Christian.

User avatar
Greater Orensta
Minister
 
Posts: 2671
Founded: Jul 28, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Orensta » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 am

Afer wrote:48% voted that it is not... Ah, idiots and the media make for a fine breed. If you look around, you will find that more than 99% of Muslims are not trying to convert you to Islam.

The religion itself is not peaceful, but neither is Christianity, and most people don't practice creatine parts of the religion, I'm pretty sure the average Muslim doesn't practice jihad.
R.I.P
~Kurt, Layne, Scott, Chris~

User avatar
Unified Governments
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1068
Founded: Mar 10, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Unified Governments » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:44 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:Which was centuries ago. Islam sill practices barbaric Jihad in modern times. Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment. Islam did not. Islam waged wars of conquest in the Middle East, North Africa, and Spain. Christianity only waged the Crusades in the Middle East, primarily Israel.

LOL, no Christianity did wage war in both Europe and Africa, also in East Asia.

Wrong. Also, the crusades were primarily a response to Islamic aggression.
The Alliance of Unified Governments
I, Pencil
Yes, nuking Japan was justified
"When you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor." - Bernie Sanders
Remember, people once rioted over pumpkins

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bienenhalde, Eahland, Elejamie, GMS Greater Miami Shores 1, Ineva, Keltionialang, Plan Neonie, The Notorious Mad Jack, The Vooperian Union, Tungstan, Umeria

Advertisement

Remove ads