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Austrian Elections were Rigged.

Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:01 am

So today I was giving a fairly disinterested look at the elections in Austria because one of the candidates had a funny name which sounded like bell-end. The results began to take on a Mugabeish character, observe.

http://archive.is/nVdGS
http://i.imgur.com/pFA9v5X.png
So this link, and this picture from the link, show that in several electoral districts the notorious powers of Dr Bellen's charisma were on display. So much so that in several of them the turnout was in fact higher than the number of recorded voters, truly we have a master of political persuasion here! So what is the good Doctor's trick? Did the dead wake from their graves and goosestep to the polling booth, compelled to give the last mile beyond the grave for the mighty Bellen? Or did the heavens open, and the angels themselves volunteer themselves for the service of this Great Man? Perhaps, so potent is the magnanimity of St Oskar that the children of these snow-capped alpine villages suddenly grew from nonage to become fully fledged voters on the day of his election.

Truly it is a sign of the times that miracles of Biblical proportions decide to visit themselves upon Europe once more as this spiritual genius descends upon us. But I'm afraid, even in a deeply faithful and conservative place as NSG is, I must retain some native scepticism. That perhaps Chairman Bellen might have been fiddling with the votes? 105%, 146% and 102% - those are some Third-World numbers I can tell you now folks.

Ah but Greater Mackonia, you clot, you dingus, you cunt, you piece of shit - I hear you cry, how can you trust some random twitter post as evidence against the magicks of the Solar Races? I can't, I don't even have a Twitter account, take it up with the man himself. Quite right, I do not have the faintest idea who 'Andreas Hofer' is, a brief search in the search bar reveals "a Tyrolean inkeep and drover" who led a resistance movement against the Napoleonic Army. Mhm, the ghosts of old Austria are emerging rosy-cheeked and stout from the mountain mists, gently swinging incense and muttering in church Latin to warn us of Mr Bellen's proclivity to Harare Beef. But a source is a source, his statistics seem reliable enough, and disbelief suspended is faith redeemed.

Another testament to Dr Bellen's awesome personal magnetism

http://archive.is/DaqhV

As you can see, once more a surprising multiplication of turnout in relation to registered voters is apparent.

There is also the fact that apparently Antifa, a conservative paramilitary group which openly practices violence against those who oppose the status quo, were involved with counting ballots along with other parties.

I'm sure I stand to be corrected by the oh-so-intelligent folk of this forum about some esoteric Austrian counting-mechanism or mathematical mistake on my part which in fact explains these results as entirely benign - and I heartily look forward to it. But until then - these results are rigged! Rigged I tell you.

And as its apparently mandatory to give an opinion when submitting information to this esteemed intellectual powerhouse to rival the cafes of fin de'siecle Vienna. I think this is fantastic as it will erode people's trust and respect for democracy, and the loss of, really rather tame, right-wing parties now will drive their supporters to more extremist options and continue the simmering rage which pushed them there in the first place. Which will heighten the speed of the dialectical process bringing us closer to Anarcho-Meritocratic Egoism.

No, I'm sure you'll find me to be very, very wrong.
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Postby Mahakala » Tue May 24, 2016 3:03 am

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Postby Philjia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:05 am

The far right? Being bad losers? What a surprise!

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 24, 2016 3:13 am

Philjia wrote:The far right? Being bad losers? What a surprise!


That's not really an argument against the vote being rigged, rather, it's a distraction tactic.
Personally, I don't buy it, but if you're going to argue against it, argue against it.

Refusing to engage with people and just snidely writing them off is why the establishment just got shitcanned in Austria in favor of an independent, and why a far-right person was almost elected as the alternative. If the response from people to claims of electoral fraud where the far-right provides evidence (regardless of it's veracity) is going to be basically LOLPEASANT, then you're going to see more people join them.

You havn't actually proven he's a sore loser, or even attempted to. On the balance of evidence right now, your statement isn't an argument for "The far-right are sore losers" it's "Supporters of the establishment will try to shame and silence complaints about vote rigging to maintain power. They never cared about the consent of the people for mass migration, why should they care about an election?"
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:16 am

Philjia wrote:The far right? Being bad losers? What a surprise!


I'm not far-right, nor do I have any real knowledge of or allegiance to the FPO, I just want to be the first to break the news on this site - don't shoot the messenger! Regardless, I think whatever your political affiliation you should be interested in potential voter fraud in a European democracy, and I really do doubt you've even read the post if your first reaction is just to call someone a sore looser. Were this Putin's Russia, you'd be championing the opposition, not shitting on them.
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Postby Arkinesia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:23 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Philjia wrote:The far right? Being bad losers? What a surprise!


That's not really an argument against the vote being rigged, rather, it's a distraction tactic.
Personally, I don't buy it, but if you're going to argue against it, argue against it.

Okay, here's my argument against it.

It's just random fucking Excel screenshots. Any dipshit with a computer built in 1995 or newer could do that.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:24 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
That's not really an argument against the vote being rigged, rather, it's a distraction tactic.
Personally, I don't buy it, but if you're going to argue against it, argue against it.

Okay, here's my argument against it.

It's just random fucking Excel screenshots. Any dipshit with a computer built in 1995 or newer could do that.


http://wahl16.bmi.gv.at/1605-303.html

Here is the website for the Austrian elections, you can verify it yourself if you're acquainted with the voting process there.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 24, 2016 3:25 am

Remember, the plural of "anecdote" is "data".
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 24, 2016 3:26 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
That's not really an argument against the vote being rigged, rather, it's a distraction tactic.
Personally, I don't buy it, but if you're going to argue against it, argue against it.

Okay, here's my argument against it.

It's just random fucking Excel screenshots. Any dipshit with a computer built in 1995 or newer could do that.


There you go.

As for myself, i'll point out that population numbers and voter registries change election to election, and this more than accounts for the minor discrepancies highlighted.

The extreme discrepancy highlighted could also be explained by this and higher turnout.
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Postby Valaran » Tue May 24, 2016 3:28 am

Greater Mackonia wrote: Dr Bellend's charisma


If you're referring to Dr. Alexander Van der Bellen as Dr. Bellend, that might fall afoul of the political nicknaming rule.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:30 am

Valaran wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote: Dr Bellend's charisma


If you're referring to Dr. Alexander Van der Bellen as Dr. Bellend, that might fall afoul of the political nicknaming rule.


Ah, I shall edit this to reflect the standards.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Tue May 24, 2016 3:34 am

Greater Mackonia wrote: Mhm, the ghosts of old Austria are emerging rosy-cheeked and stout from the mountain mists, gently swinging incense and muttering in church Latin to warn us of Mr Bellend's proclivity to Harare Beef.


Ex post facto editing of posts to remove actionable behaviour doesn't necessarily work when:

A) examples of the actionable behaviour survive in other people's posts and

B) you fail to edit out all of the actionable behaviour.


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The topic itself, however, doesn't breach site rules, so we'll leave it open.

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Postby Neu Leonstein » Tue May 24, 2016 3:37 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:Here is the website for the Austrian elections, you can verify it yourself if you're acquainted with the voting process there.

Maybe you'd want to include the whole story too, while you're at it?

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/bpwah ... dhofenYbbs
Die Presse wrote:Das Innenministerium hat auf seiner Homepage ein falsches Wahlergebnis für die niederösterreichische Stadt Waidhofen an der Ybbs veröffentlicht. Die Tabelle weist eine Wahlbeteiligung von 146,9 Prozent aus. In Waidhofen sind 9026 Menschen wahlberechtigt, laut Homepage haben jedoch 13.262 Menschen ihre Stimme am Sonntag abgegeben.

Das Resultat werde korrigiert, sagte der Leiter der Wahlabteilung, Robert Stein, am Montagabend in der "ZiB 2". Die niederösterreichische Landeswahlbehörde habe das Wahlkartenergebnis der Stadt Waidhofen falsch in das elektronische Wahlsystem eingespeist, hieß es in einer Aussendung. Eine wesentliche Änderung des Gesamtergebnisses bedeute das allerdings nicht. Derzeit gebe es zudem keine Hinweise auf ähnliche Fehler, die das Endergebnis beeinflussen könnten, sagte Stein.

Die am Montag veröffentlichten, elektronischen Ergebnisse der der Landeswahlbehörden blieben bis zum 1. Juni 2016 "eingefroren". Bis zum 1. Juni werde das Ergebnis auf Basis der in Papierform übermittelten Landeswahlakten durch die Bundeswahlbehörde in ihrer Sitzung berichtigt und veröffentlicht.


My translation wrote:The interior ministry published an incorrect election result for the lower Austrian town of Waidhofen an der Ybbs on its website. The table shows voter participation of 146.9%. In Waidhofen 9026 people are eligible to vote, but according to the website 13262 people voted on Sunday.

The result will be corrected, said the head of the election department, Robert Stein, on Monday evening in the 'ZiB 2'. The lower Austrian state election department entered the physical vote count result into the electronic system incorrectly, it said in a statement. This does not however imply a significant change of the overall result. At this point there have been no reports of similar errors which could affect the overall result of the vote, according to Stein.

The electronic results published on Monday by the election agency will stay "frozen" until 1 June 2016. Until then the paper records of the vote counts from throughout Austria will be transferred from the state to the federal election agency and collated, corrected and published.
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Postby Valaran » Tue May 24, 2016 3:37 am

The Archregimancy wrote:A) examples of the actionable behaviour survive in other people's posts and


Incidentally, that wasn't intentional or otherwise designed to be incriminating on my part :/
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Postby Alvecia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:48 am

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Here is the website for the Austrian elections, you can verify it yourself if you're acquainted with the voting process there.

Maybe you'd want to include the whole story too, while you're at it?

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/bpwah ... dhofenYbbs
Die Presse wrote:Das Innenministerium hat auf seiner Homepage ein falsches Wahlergebnis für die niederösterreichische Stadt Waidhofen an der Ybbs veröffentlicht. Die Tabelle weist eine Wahlbeteiligung von 146,9 Prozent aus. In Waidhofen sind 9026 Menschen wahlberechtigt, laut Homepage haben jedoch 13.262 Menschen ihre Stimme am Sonntag abgegeben.

Das Resultat werde korrigiert, sagte der Leiter der Wahlabteilung, Robert Stein, am Montagabend in der "ZiB 2". Die niederösterreichische Landeswahlbehörde habe das Wahlkartenergebnis der Stadt Waidhofen falsch in das elektronische Wahlsystem eingespeist, hieß es in einer Aussendung. Eine wesentliche Änderung des Gesamtergebnisses bedeute das allerdings nicht. Derzeit gebe es zudem keine Hinweise auf ähnliche Fehler, die das Endergebnis beeinflussen könnten, sagte Stein.

Die am Montag veröffentlichten, elektronischen Ergebnisse der der Landeswahlbehörden blieben bis zum 1. Juni 2016 "eingefroren". Bis zum 1. Juni werde das Ergebnis auf Basis der in Papierform übermittelten Landeswahlakten durch die Bundeswahlbehörde in ihrer Sitzung berichtigt und veröffentlicht.


My translation wrote:The interior ministry published an incorrect election result for the lower Austrian town of Waidhofen an der Ybbs on its website. The table shows voter participation of 146.9%. In Waidhofen 9026 people are eligible to vote, but according to the website 13262 people voted on Sunday.

The result will be corrected, said the head of the election department, Robert Stein, on Monday evening in the 'ZiB 2'. The lower Austrian state election department entered the physical vote count result into the electronic system incorrectly, it said in a statement. This does not however imply a significant change of the overall result. At this point there have been no reports of similar errors which could affect the overall result of the vote, according to Stein.

The electronic results published on Monday by the election agency will stay "frozen" until 1 June 2016. Until then the paper records of the vote counts from throughout Austria will be transferred from the state to the federal election agency and collated, corrected and published.

Well, that seems fairly cut and dried.

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Alvecia wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:Maybe you'd want to include the whole story too, while you're at it?

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/bpwah ... dhofenYbbs



Well, that seems fairly cut and dried.


What are you talking about? It was clearly rigged! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! :roll:
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Postby Temporia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:55 am

Sorry to bust your conspiracy but im from Austria an this is just a case of miscommunication.

In the Vienna 1/7/8 case they send the count of the overall votes instead of the regular ones.

In Waidhofen they send the Overall votes instead of the post votes.

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Postby Zoice » Tue May 24, 2016 3:56 am

Rigged? Good.
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Postby Risottia » Tue May 24, 2016 3:56 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:So today I was giving a fairly disinterested look

Says the one with "Trump-Putin" as avatar and who says that "Antifa" are a "conservative paramilitary". :lol:

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Postby Angleter » Tue May 24, 2016 3:58 am

Has anyone checked to see if, er, these places actually voted for van der Bellen?
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Postby Mahakala » Tue May 24, 2016 1:26 pm

Zoice wrote:Rigged? Good.

You'd be crying if Norbert Hofer was elected and it was found out to be rigged.
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue May 24, 2016 1:33 pm

As long as voting fraud is corrected and dealt with in an open manner there is not necessarily any institutionalized fault here, beyond the early voting registration itself.

Hope it will be dealt with, but I have my doubts it is so widespread it would change the national election itself.
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Postby Olerand » Tue May 24, 2016 1:39 pm

If they were, then the FPO would have taken the issue to court. That they have conceded their defeat suggests that they won't follow this path, because it is not correct.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 24, 2016 1:57 pm

Ah, what would be a far-right electoral defeat without claims of the whole process being "rigged"?

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