The War Cry of Uncle Sam [OOC, Closed]

[Prolieum]

Does anyone else like the idea of the President/VP fleeing to Florida?

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

What if the Commonwealth and the Union unite? So we have your military expertise and my Political ones. And we would essentially divide the US and hold strong areas of control.

Seems like a conflict of ideology, with the liberal governor and Williams Jr.

That would add to their whole-roundedness - plus I did say that the judge was very conservative at times

[Prolieum]

Is he really that different?

He carefully watches his words, rather than saying whatever comes to his mind.

Seems pretty cosmetic if they both have the same things to say, but OK.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Does anyone else like the idea of the President/VP fleeing to Florida?

Sullen most be the most incompetent fool in the world if that did happen.

[Neo-Chicago]

Map

Grey in the Southwest is controlled by Mexico, Purple is an Independent Vegas, and Lavender is the Mormon Federation. Everything else should be obvious. This is just my proposal, it's up to OP whether Prolieum should get Nevada, Utah, and Idaho, but I personally am not comfortable with him controlling what is nearly an entire timezone.

EDIT: Somehow forgot that the Upper Peninsula was in Michigan, so I'll fix that, but otherwise, thoughts?

[The Manticoran Empire]

I may put up my California Armed Forces later today. There are a few things I need to get first.

[Prolieum]

Map

Grey in the Southwest is controlled by Mexico, Purple is an Independent Vegas, and Lavender is the Mormon Federation. Everything else should be obvious. This is just my proposal, it's up to OP whether Prolieum should get Nevada, Utah, and Idaho, but I personally am not comfortable with him controlling what is nearly an entire timezone.

Few things

1. How did Mexico conquer all that so fast?
2. Who is going to control the Mormon Federation/why did they not join up with anyone else?
3. Why is northern Michigan not part of the American Union?
4. For my territory-assuming that Breckenridge can swing New York, (which he evidently did) I have the smallest population of anyone, and approximately diddly-squat in manufacturing. I really do not see how controlling a great deal of land is an issue when so much is barren.
Addendum: Actually, with the new map, I have less than half the population of any other faction, which might be acceptable if another player was squeezing into those territories, but here we have NPCs doing it.
5. The CR also has that bite of land in Mizzou/Iowa.

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

Map

Grey in the Southwest is controlled by Mexico, Purple is an Independent Vegas, and Lavender is the Mormon Federation. Everything else should be obvious. This is just my proposal, it's up to OP whether Prolieum should get Nevada, Utah, and Idaho, but I personally am not comfortable with him controlling what is nearly an entire timezone.

What happened to Northern Michigan?

[Neo-Chicago]

Map

Grey in the Southwest is controlled by Mexico, Purple is an Independent Vegas, and Lavender is the Mormon Federation. Everything else should be obvious. This is just my proposal, it's up to OP whether Prolieum should get Nevada, Utah, and Idaho, but I personally am not comfortable with him controlling what is nearly an entire timezone.

Few things

1. How did Mexico conquer all that so fast?
2. Who is going to control the Mormon Federation/why did they not join up with anyone else?
3. Why is northern Michigan not part of the American Union?
4. For my territory-assuming that Breckenridge can swing New York, I have the smallest population of anyone. I really do not see how controlling a great deal of land is an issue when so much is barren.

1. Mexico didn't conquer it, those areas allowed themselves to be annexed.
2. Who's going to control Florida? Either someone joins and plays as them, or they're just played by the OP, or us. Also, you could ask why many of the other "countries" didn't join up with anyone else. Personally, I'm not sure why Alabama and Mississippi are different countries, but they are.
3. See my edit.
4. How is that other land going to help the fact that all of your land is barren, when that land is barren as well? The problem is that all of that land would be difficult to defend, and I think some of it would break away. Also, there's always going to be a smallest population, and smallest area. Both of those things have drawbacks.

[Neo-Chicago]

Map

Grey in the Southwest is controlled by Mexico, Purple is an Independent Vegas, and Lavender is the Mormon Federation. Everything else should be obvious. This is just my proposal, it's up to OP whether Prolieum should get Nevada, Utah, and Idaho, but I personally am not comfortable with him controlling what is nearly an entire timezone.

What happened to Northern Michigan?

See my edit.

[Prolieum]

Does anyone else like the idea of the President/VP fleeing to Florida?

Sullen most be the most incompetent fool in the world if that did happen.

The President is not exactly easy to catch, especially because they had substantial warning that they were coming. If he was willing to shoot down Air Force One, sure, but he made it pretty clear that he was trying to be peaceful.

[Neo-Chicago]

Sullen most be the most incompetent fool in the world if that did happen.

The President is not exactly easy to catch, especially because they had substantial warning that they were coming. If he was willing to shoot down Air Force One, sure, but he made it pretty clear that he was trying to be peaceful.

By the way, I gave you Northern New Mexico to compensate you for those other areas, and could you indicate the land in Missouri and Iowa that's yours?

[Prolieum]

Few things

1. How did Mexico conquer all that so fast?
2. Who is going to control the Mormon Federation/why did they not join up with anyone else?
3. Why is northern Michigan not part of the American Union?
4. For my territory-assuming that Breckenridge can swing New York, I have the smallest population of anyone. I really do not see how controlling a great deal of land is an issue when so much is barren.

1. Mexico didn't conquer it, those areas allowed themselves to be annexed.

Arizona and New Mexico let themselves be annexed? The heck? Why would Mexico even risk something like that?

2. Who's going to control Florida? Either someone joins and plays as them, or they're just played by the OP, or us. Also, you could ask why many of the other "countries" didn't join up with anyone else. Personally, I'm not sure why Alabama and Mississippi are different countries, but they are.

Florida is open because no one has taken it. Really different from taking land from another, and then making it controlled by someone else. Alabama and Mississippi are allied anyway.

4. How is that other land going to help the fact that all of your land is barren, when that land is barren as well? The problem is that all of that land would be difficult to defend, and I think some of it would break away. Also, there's always going to be a smallest population, and smallest area. Both of those things have drawbacks.

Sure a lot of land would be difficult to defend-but that is the problem he deals with by having all of it. With all of those included, the CR still has the lowest population of anyone-just not the crazy less than half-as-much.

There needs to be an actively good reason to take away land, not just saying that it was not really wanted anyway.

[Prolieum]

The President is not exactly easy to catch, especially because they had substantial warning that they were coming. If he was willing to shoot down Air Force One, sure, but he made it pretty clear that he was trying to be peaceful.

By the way, I gave you Northern New Mexico to compensate you for those other areas, and could you indicate the land in Missouri and Iowa that's yours?

Originally it was up to the Grand River, but I cut it back for Scalise. Iowa is the blue, and immediately west.



Missouri is now the Kansas City metro area, and then add another few dozen miles onto the borders of that. It obviously connects up to the Iowa bite to the north.

Northern New Mexico is not compensating when he already had all of New Mexico before. Again, with Arizona and New Mexico, still less than any other faction.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Here is the 5th Division, and 6th Divisions of my army, they are currently being constructed.

5th Armored Division(This formation is being constructed right now)
109th Armored Regiment
210th Calvary Regiment
107th Aviation Regiment
63rd Troop Command


6th Airborne Division(taking advantage of all my airlifters, and this component is nowhere close to finished, in fact work has not even started)
101st Airborne Brigade
41st Artillery Regiment
21st Aviation Regiment
91st Troop Command

[Neo-Chicago]

1. Mexico didn't conquer it, those areas allowed themselves to be annexed.

Arizona and New Mexico let themselves be annexed? The heck? Why would Mexico even risk something like that?

2. Who's going to control Florida? Either someone joins and plays as them, or they're just played by the OP, or us. Also, you could ask why many of the other "countries" didn't join up with anyone else. Personally, I'm not sure why Alabama and Mississippi are different countries, but they are.

Florida is open because no one has taken it. Really different from taking land from another, and then making it controlled by someone else. Alabama and Mississippi are allied anyway.

4. How is that other land going to help the fact that all of your land is barren, when that land is barren as well? The problem is that all of that land would be difficult to defend, and I think some of it would break away. Also, there's always going to be a smallest population, and smallest area. Both of those things have drawbacks.

Sure a lot of land would be difficult to defend-but that is the problem he deals with by having all of it. With all of those included, the CR still has the lowest population of anyone-just not the crazy less than half-as-much.

There needs to be an actively good reason to take away land, not just saying that it was not really wanted anyway.

1. OOCly, Arizona and New Mexico could be played by somebody, but otherwise, being annexed by Mexico would be a lot better than just, what, not existing? There are many more plotholes in this RP besides just that, and I think the question of why all of these secessions happened in the first place is far more pertinent.

2. Fair point, but your amount of land is ridiculous, and there are the same amount of drawbacks to being small with a large population as there are with being large with a small population.

4. The distinction is grasping, and also, you'll notice that I gave you Northern New Mexico. Why is it right for you to have so much land, but wrong when Xathuceia wants that same land?

[Prolieum]

Here is the 5th Division, and 6th Divisions of my army, they are currently being constructed.

5th Armored Division(This formation is being constructed right now)
109th Armored Regiment
210th Calvary Regiment
107th Aviation Regiment
63rd Troop Command


6th Airborne Division(taking advantage of all my airlifters, and this component is nowhere close to finished, in fact work has not even started)
101st Airborne Brigade
41st Artillery Regiment
21st Aviation Regiment
91st Troop Command

Calvary regiments? You have Israeli hills in your army?

[Krugeristan]

NS Nation Name: Krugeristan

Position Applying For: President of Alaskan Peninsula

Flag: Black field with crossed blue stripes

One paragraph history of your nation: In the excited frenzy of a civil war, Representative Garestaer gathered a group of angry Navy SEALS and slaughtered the Democrats of Alaska before breaking Alaska from the Union and declaring his home state a nation. Despite only a few weeks of being a nation, Garestaer amassed a small army of young Alaskan hunters to train them to be soldiers under the Navy SEALS. All American army, navy, and air force bases, vessels, and soldiers are under Garestaer's control, giving the representative a large advantage considering the amount of bases residing in the frozen peninsula.

One paragraph history of your character: Jay Garestaer, the son of two Germans who escaped Nazi Germany, was a representative of Alaska in Congress. His Far-Right, near-extreme views have won him support among the Silent Majority, and he protests boots on the ground against Syrian President Assad. One of his most notable moments was nearly getting into a fistfight with a Democrat over Muammar Gaddafi's murder in 2011. He attempted to run for president of the United States in 2016, and dropped out when his numbers weren't high enough. Garestaer was going to be Senator Brandon Kiser's VP, but saw a chance to get everything he wanted when civil war broke out, and he used Navy SEALS to take over Alaska.

Past RP Experiences: Washington RP, 2016: Now with Sugar, 2016: Yet Another Clash of Nations, Article 29: Kaliningrad

[Prolieum]

Arizona and New Mexico let themselves be annexed? The heck? Why would Mexico even risk something like that?


Florida is open because no one has taken it. Really different from taking land from another, and then making it controlled by someone else. Alabama and Mississippi are allied anyway.



Sure a lot of land would be difficult to defend-but that is the problem he deals with by having all of it. With all of those included, the CR still has the lowest population of anyone-just not the crazy less than half-as-much.

There needs to be an actively good reason to take away land, not just saying that it was not really wanted anyway.

1. OOCly, Arizona and New Mexico could be played by somebody, but otherwise, being annexed by Mexico would be a lot better than just, what, not existing? There are many more plotholes in this RP besides just that, and I think the question of why all of these secessions happened in the first place is far more pertinent.

Why would they disappear? They are part of the CR.

2. Fair point, but your amount of land is ridiculous, and there are the same amount of drawbacks to being small with a large population as there are with being large with a small population.

You have not explained how it is "ridiculous", or why that is a problem.

4. The distinction is grasping, and also, you'll notice that I gave you Northern New Mexico. Why is it right for you to have so much land, but wrong when Xathuceia wants that same land?

I had all of New Mexico. You did not give me northern New Mexico-you took away southern New Mexico.

When did I ever say anything about Xatheucia being wrong about land? You do realize that he has c. twice as many people as me, plus trade, and actual industry, right?

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Here is the 5th Division, and 6th Divisions of my army, they are currently being constructed.

5th Armored Division(This formation is being constructed right now)
109th Armored Regiment
210th Calvary Regiment
107th Aviation Regiment
63rd Troop Command


6th Airborne Division(taking advantage of all my airlifters, and this component is nowhere close to finished, in fact work has not even started)
101st Airborne Brigade
41st Artillery Regiment
21st Aviation Regiment
91st Troop Command

Calvary regiments? You have Israeli hills in your army?

No silly, cavalry are another name for armored regiments.

[Prolieum]

NS Nation Name: Krugeristan

Position Applying For: President of Alaskan Peninsula

Flag: Black field with crossed blue stripes

One paragraph history of your nation: In the excited frenzy of a civil war, Representative Garestaer gathered a group of angry Navy SEALS and slaughtered the Democrats of Alaska before breaking Alaska from the Union and declaring his home state a nation. Despite only a few weeks of being a nation, Garestaer amassed a small army of young Alaskan hunters to train them to be soldiers under the Navy SEALS. All American army, navy, and air force bases, vessels, and soldiers are under Garestaer's control, giving the representative a large advantage considering the amount of bases residing in the frozen peninsula.

One paragraph history of your character: Jay Garestaer, the son of two Germans who escaped Nazi Germany, was a representative of Alaska in Congress. His Far-Right, near-extreme views have won him support among the Silent Majority, and he protests boots on the ground against Syrian President Assad. One of his most notable moments was nearly getting into a fistfight with a Democrat over Muammar Gaddafi's murder in 2011. He attempted to run for president of the United States in 2016, and dropped out when his numbers weren't high enough. Garestaer was going to be Senator Brandon Kiser's VP, but saw a chance to get everything he wanted when civil war broke out, and he used Navy SEALS to take over Alaska.

Past RP Experiences: Washington RP, 2016: Now with Sugar, 2016: Yet Another Clash of Nations, Article 29: Kaliningrad

Where did he get SEALs, and how did he convince them to go on a murder rampage?

[Prolieum]

Calvary regiments? You have Israeli hills in your army?

No silly, cavalry are another name for armored regiments.

Cavalry, sure. Calvary is the hill Christ died on.

[Neo-Chicago]

1. OOCly, Arizona and New Mexico could be played by somebody, but otherwise, being annexed by Mexico would be a lot better than just, what, not existing? There are many more plotholes in this RP besides just that, and I think the question of why all of these secessions happened in the first place is far more pertinent.

Why would they disappear? They are part of the CR.

2. Fair point, but your amount of land is ridiculous, and there are the same amount of drawbacks to being small with a large population as there are with being large with a small population.

You have not explained how it is "ridiculous", or why that is a problem.

4. The distinction is grasping, and also, you'll notice that I gave you Northern New Mexico. Why is it right for you to have so much land, but wrong when Xathuceia wants that same land?

I had all of New Mexico. You did not give me northern New Mexico-you took away southern New Mexico.
When did I ever say anything about Xatheucia being wrong about land? You do realize that he has c. twice as many people as me, plus trade, and actual industry, right?

I legitimately did not realize that New Mexico and Arizona were yours, so my apologies there. What about, either the territory on the map, plus Idaho and North Utah, or the territory on the map, plus Arizona, New Mexico, and South Utah?

I've explained why your amount of land is ridiculous, but you refuse to understand that, a bunch of states that, by the way, don't even have any reason to join you, would simply be an unsustainable amount of territory. Your country would split or collapse, or it would be annexed by another country.

[Krugeristan]

NS Nation Name: Krugeristan

Position Applying For: President of Alaskan Peninsula

Flag: Black field with crossed blue stripes

One paragraph history of your nation: In the excited frenzy of a civil war, Representative Garestaer gathered a group of angry Navy SEALS and slaughtered the Democrats of Alaska before breaking Alaska from the Union and declaring his home state a nation. Despite only a few weeks of being a nation, Garestaer amassed a small army of young Alaskan hunters to train them to be soldiers under the Navy SEALS. All American army, navy, and air force bases, vessels, and soldiers are under Garestaer's control, giving the representative a large advantage considering the amount of bases residing in the frozen peninsula.

One paragraph history of your character: Jay Garestaer, the son of two Germans who escaped Nazi Germany, was a representative of Alaska in Congress. His Far-Right, near-extreme views have won him support among the Silent Majority, and he protests boots on the ground against Syrian President Assad. One of his most notable moments was nearly getting into a fistfight with a Democrat over Muammar Gaddafi's murder in 2011. He attempted to run for president of the United States in 2016, and dropped out when his numbers weren't high enough. Garestaer was going to be Senator Brandon Kiser's VP, but saw a chance to get everything he wanted when civil war broke out, and he used Navy SEALS to take over Alaska.

Past RP Experiences: Washington RP, 2016: Now with Sugar, 2016: Yet Another Clash of Nations, Article 29: Kaliningrad

Where did he get SEALs, and how did he convince them to go on a murder rampage?

1. He's got some influence.
2. Why not?

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

@Kelvinsi so is a united Commonwealth & Union off the table then? Or at least for now?