Slow Performance

[Skyviolia]

(I’m guessing this belongs in the Technical Thread, sorry if i’m wrong,)
Is it just me, or is NS going slower than usual. I noticed that it took longer to load pages and longer to type. I checked by internet and its fine. Other websites ok. Has anybody else noticed this. It’s probably just my computer, but I wanted to let someone know just in case.

[Enfaru]

No you're not the only one, we seem to have had some server load around 2200hrs UTC and NS has pretty much been intermittent for me for a few hours either side of that.

[[violet]]

Gameside or forumside or both?

The forums were reindexed by Google in the last 24 hours or so, which means they unleashed swarms of bots that crawled over every page, roughly doubling our traffic.

We also have a bit of a gameside issue with regions with extremely large Regional Message Boards (some approaching 1M posts), which I'm going to have to fix somehow.

[Enfaru]

Gameside it appeared mostly. However having a few swarms of bots probably slowed things up a bit.

[Crockerland]

Could be that script kiddy who's been threatening to take down all the servers? The one with all the different accounts that keep being deleted?

[Enfaru]

If it was a DDoS attempt, it was a shoddy one.

[Lockdownn]

We also have a bit of a gameside issue with regions with extremely large Regional Message Boards (some approaching 1M posts), which I'm going to have to fix somehow.

Could there not be an archive of very old RMB posts? Besides technical feasibility, would that solve anything?

[Flanderlion]

Gameside or forumside or both?

The forums were reindexed by Google in the last 24 hours or so, which means they unleashed swarms of bots that crawled over every page, roughly doubling our traffic.

We also have a bit of a gameside issue with regions with extremely large Regional Message Boards (some approaching 1M posts), which I'm going to have to fix somehow.

Could we have a RMB archive, as someone already said, which is accessible etc. for people wanting to look at regional history? As long as we didn't lose the history completely, I think most regions would be alright with a dozen pages or so trimmed off and archived every so often.

If the RMB archive is feasible, as asked many times before by various refounders, would we be able to either manually, or hopefully automatically have a regions RMB history saved before it is refounded. The history could either continue on with the region when it is created, through pulling it from the archive, or just have a link on the history page before founding saying that 'link name = 'We are not the first to come here', url = nationstates.net/region=@region@/archive.

[Skyviolia]

Could be that script kiddy who's been threatening to take down all the servers? The one with all the different accounts that keep being deleted?

Maybe, I experienced the slowness right after the kids rampage, maybe he (or she) overloaded the site with traffic or pinged it. But [violet]'s explanation is the most feasible.

[[violet]]

Could we have a RMB archive, as someone already said, which is accessible etc. for people wanting to look at regional history? As long as we didn't lose the history completely, I think most regions would be alright with a dozen pages or so trimmed off and archived every so often.

Yes, it'll be something like that. We won't delete any posts.

In the forums, we close threads when they hit 500 pages because it starts taking the server too long to gather all the posts. Gameside we have the equivalent of threads with 30,000 pages!

[Caelapes]

Could we have a RMB archive, as someone already said, which is accessible etc. for people wanting to look at regional history? As long as we didn't lose the history completely, I think most regions would be alright with a dozen pages or so trimmed off and archived every so often.

Yes, it'll be something like that. We won't delete any posts.

In the forums, we close threads when they hit 500 pages because it starts taking the server too long to gather all the posts. Gameside we have the equivalent of threads with 30,000 pages!

Will it be possible for regions that have already refounded but maintain their own RMB archives to give you our archives to be placed on-site, when that happens?

[[violet]]

No, that won't be possible, sorry.

[Flanderlion]

But when a region reaches 0 nations and ceases to exist at update, would it be able to save a RMB archive/update the previous one so a refound just destroys the community, as opposed to the history as well?

Hopefully we'll get some performance boosts if the archive system works out, and thanks in advance for this.

[[violet]]

It's a longer discussion, but a refound destroys the region by design. It's not actually a reset: you're letting one region die and starting a new, different one. It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

[Mousebumples]

It's a longer discussion, but a refound destroys the region by design. It's not actually a reset: you're letting one region die and starting a new, different one. It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

Will it be possible to use either an API script (or a button in Regional Admin) to download the RMB Database?

[Caelapes]

It's a longer discussion, but a refound destroys the region by design. It's not actually a reset: you're letting one region die and starting a new, different one. It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

Will it be possible to use either an API script ... to download the RMB Database?

Well, that is already possible. The question is what to do once you've downloaded the archive. XML is not the most reader-friendly format for a Regional Message Board archive.

[The Silver Sentinel]

It's a longer discussion, but a refound destroys the region by design. It's not actually a reset: you're letting one region die and starting a new, different one. It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

Will it be possible to use either an API script (or a button in Regional Admin) to download the RMB Database?

Yeah, that would be super. The destruction of the RMB and it's history is one of the major issues keeping legitimate communities from refounding. It would also be nice to save that history in the event certain destructive invader organizations refound the region.

[Mousebumples]

Will it be possible to use either an API script ... to download the RMB Database?

Well, that is already possible. The question is what to do once you've downloaded the archive. XML is not the most reader-friendly format for a Regional Message Board archive.

Considering that I'm guessing that [v] has a different format in mind for the ginormous RMB archives, I was thinking of having a different format available, yes.

[Flanderlion]

It's a longer discussion, but a refound destroys the region by design. It's not actually a reset: you're letting one region die and starting a new, different one. It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

I think of it as like starting a new nation after the 5 year mark for the old one. There has been another nation with the same name before that, and you can see that when looking at the boneyard (or in this case a reference to the region history), but it starts off as a new different region with the same name. Just like creating a new nation under the name release program doesn't erase all traces of the old one, the same should happen with a new region taking a previous regions name.

Also, related to refounds, after annexation and custodians, I think refounds should be made a lot harder, instead of trying to reduce the negatives like a few other of my fellow posters wish. But that's for another topic in another time.

[Lockdownn]

It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

Not all, from what I know. I noticed that when I founded a region with a puppet that previous regional happenings showed.

[The Silver Sentinel]

It isn't supposed to carry through data from the old region.

Not all, from what I know. I noticed that when I founded a region with a puppet that previous regional happenings showed.

That is a feature of NS++ and that information goes away after a time. Seriously? You are arguing with the person who designed the game now?

[Hobbesistan]

Not all, from what I know. I noticed that when I founded a region with a puppet that previous regional happenings showed.

That is a feature of NS++ and that information goes away after a time. Seriously? You are arguing with the person who designed the game now?

No need to bring the confrontational attitude here. Chances are Lockdownn didin't know it was a NS++ feature and legitimately thought it still showed.

[The Silver Sentinel]

That is a feature of NS++ and that information goes away after a time. Seriously? You are arguing with the person who designed the game now?

No need to bring the confrontational attitude here. Chances are Lockdownn didin't know it was a NS++ feature and legitimately thought it still showed.

You're right Hobbes and I apologize. It is just getting a tad tiring seeing the same people posting wrong answers in technical over and over, giving new people the impression that the game itself is badly designed.

[Hobbesistan]

No need to bring the confrontational attitude here. Chances are Lockdownn didin't know it was a NS++ feature and legitimately thought it still showed.

You're right Hobbes and I apologize. It is just getting a tad tiring seeing the same people posting wrong answers in technical over and over, giving new people the impression that the game itself is badly designed.

You get used to it after the 500th thread that posts itself without reading the FAQ or any other thread we have on the usual questions.

[Lockdownn]

Not all, from what I know. I noticed that when I founded a region with a puppet that previous regional happenings showed.

That is a feature of NS++ and that information goes away after a time. Seriously? You are arguing with the person who designed the game now?

Honestly, that was my bad. I used to have NS++ and thought that that specific part was still around.