French Attacks Megathread

[BalkanWarrior]

There is no such requirement when you cross a border with a passport. I do not see why should this be now important. Still, the conncection between the immigrant crisis and Paris attacks was established.

Because we do not know to whom this passport belonged too. A passport has been found between bodies and for that matter it could have been for anyone. Yes, it is presumable it is from a refugee or from any foreign person. But, we do not have the evidence to make the connection to it.

Here is the damn passport.
http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2015-11-15/693002_terror_orig.jpg?ver=1447578657

The guy is called Ahmed Almuhamed. When the same guy is indentified as the terrorists than there is a clear connection between the refugees and attacker. Ok?

[Maximus Naturalis]

Because we do not know to whom this passport belonged too. A passport has been found between bodies and for that matter it could have been for anyone. Yes, it is presumable it is from a refugee or from any foreign person. But, we do not have the evidence to make the connection to it.

Here is the damn passport.
http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2015-11-15/693002_terror_orig.jpg?ver=1447578657

The guy is called Ahmed Almuhamed. When the same guy is indentified as the terrorists than there is a clear connection between the refugees and attacker. Ok?

Yes, exactly, when the same guys is identified as one of the terrorists then we have proof. But at this moment, we do not.

[Vassenor]

Because we do not know to whom this passport belonged too. A passport has been found between bodies and for that matter it could have been for anyone. Yes, it is presumable it is from a refugee or from any foreign person. But, we do not have the evidence to make the connection to it.

Here is the damn passport.
http://www.blic.rs/data/images/2015-11-15/693002_terror_orig.jpg?ver=1447578657

The guy is called Ahmed Almuhamed. When the same guy is indentified as the terrorists than there is a clear connection between the refugees and attacker. Ok?

And if it is proven that that is not the terrorist's passport?

Why Syrian refugee passport found at Paris attack scene must be treated with caution

[Maximus Naturalis]

Turkish officials claim they have prevented ''a major attack'' on the same day as the Paris attacks.

[Novus America]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/president-obama-claims-rise-of-isis-is-unintended-consequence-of-george-w-bush-s-invasion-in-iraq-10115243.html

He is not entirely wrong, although ISIS also has to do with my others things in the Middle East. The Iraq war was not the cause of the failure of the Syrian government. Nor the political, economic, social and demographic problems in places other than Iraq. Nor the sole cause in Iraq.

But the US failure in Iraq played a key role. Of course Obama shares in that failure.

And this is typical of Obama. Never solve problems, just blame other people.

The failure of both Bush and Obama in foreign policy have been a major problem.

[Novus America]

The link does not disappear as it shows ISIS uses the migrant crisis and Syrian identities as cover. Obviously most migrants are not ISIS, but ISIS would be stupid not to hide some operatives among them. Better screening is needed.

More than half of the refugees were already being set back before the attack. The screening is real bloody strict.

Well, it appears not strict enough.

Those turned back were not refugees. Just economic migrants.

And simply turning back certain groups like Albanians does not prevent ISIS hiding among groups not being turned back.

[Socialist Czechia]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

[Maximus Naturalis]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

Be prepared for a shitstorm youngster.

[Braberland]

Back when happiness was still normal...

If by happiness you mean toiling on your feudal lord's manse while paying tithe then yes. Life as a peasant was the hypest. Especially the part where you couldn't understand what the hell the priest was even saying but had to sit around for two hours while his back was turned to a wall mumbling in Latin.

Sweetheart, the Netherlands didn't have serfdom in the Dutch Golden Age.

[Asyir]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

God wills it!!!!!!

[Gauthier]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

Because the Swiss Guard can field thousands on a moment's notice obviously. And don't forget the Vatican Mechanized Division.

[Camelza]

Only if you explain to me why there weren't any Islamists going boom in Paris two decades ago.

I guess you're sarcastically referring to THESE?

No, I'm not sarcastically referring to this. I specifically set the barrier 20 years ago because of that event, which was the turning point of Islamic terrorism in France.
My point, even though easy to misunderstand, was that Islamic terrorism in France begun two decades ago and I asked for an explanation as to why there were no major terrorist attacks by Islamic terrorists before 1995, before two decades ago, not in 1995 in particular.

[Socialist Czechia]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

Because the Swiss Guard can field thousands on a moment's notice obviously. And don't forget the Vatican Mechanized Division.

in theory, Church has enough funds and property to buy weapons and change monasteries into barracks :3

[Galloism]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

Because the Swiss Guard can field thousands on a moment's notice obviously. And don't forget the Vatican Mechanized Division.

Found a picture of it!



No making fun of my lame photo editing skills now.

[Gauthier]

Because the Swiss Guard can field thousands on a moment's notice obviously. And don't forget the Vatican Mechanized Division.

Found a picture of it!



No making fun of my lame photo editing skills now.

The caption can be called, "Eucharist."

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

It's been a couple days now, and I've been struggling with what, if anything, I should say. I will start by declaring I am not going to waste time changing my flag to some meaningless "pro France" image. That gesture is as meaningless as my cat's farts.

I remember the day I woke up to the attacks in New York. The memory of it will never fade. I remember seeing the second plane hit. I remember the footage of a burning Pentagon. But what I remember above all is the silence. That one day my mother and father made no sound. There was no radio, no sound of the coffee grinder, not even a whisper. That one day I was witness to more raw emotion from my parents than I have ever seen before or since. Looking back now, I understand what was going through their hearts, why they wanted me to focus on breakfast and going to school. They had gone their entire lives wishing, hoping, BELIEVING that they would never have to worry about the lives of their children being in such danger.

I do not yet have that same instinct. I am not a father, and I likely will not be any time soon, but as the years have gone by I believe I have come to better understand just who they are - And who they were on that day. Going back to the silence, while it was startling with my mother, with my father it was unsettling. This is a man who is usually very loud and proud, and there he was sitting in a chair watching the TV in absolute silence. Not a trace of anger on his face, in his voice even as he whispered every word, or in his body language. Yet I know that inside his blood was boiling, that somewhere hate and the thought of revenge flowed freely. Yet he did not utter a word, not in anger. When I came home from school he was more concerned with how my day went, and laughed off the worries I had expressed. He reassured me at a time when I most needed it.

When I learned of the Paris attacks I was at work, doing morning security at a local mall. I wanted to lash out, to scream in anger and grief, to seek blood for blood. Before I could I remembered I was at work, that I must be professional, and so I forced myself to be calm. In doing so, and in my thoughts leading to today, I realized what it all meant.

Were the attacks horrific? Certainly. Must some measure of justice be found? Definitely. Is running in their with blood in our eyes and denying the rights of humanity to the majority for the actions of a distinct minority going to help? Absolutely not. We, as a civilized fellowship of nations, cannot react with emotion. Would my father ranting and raving and demanding for heads to roll have helped me as a child remain calm on 11/9/2001, or the months afterwards? Of course not. His determination to remain calm even as a threat to his children presented itself is what allowed me to not be swept up in the emotional tidal wave of many of my fellow students and our teachers.

If we as civilized people were to toss aside our ideals like a bag of trash and seek vengeance, we will be ones proving Daesh and its ilk right in their claims that the West hates Muslims and Islam. If we as civilized nations were to deploy our military forces with the goal of killing as many of them as possible, we not only become the monsters but we also do not solve the problems of the region. Did we as a collective people not learn what so many perished in Afghanistan for? They died to bring hope and stability to a country, not to kill as many Afghans as they could to avenge those who died in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and in that quiet field in Pennsylvania. They sacrificed themselves to try and bring stability, freedom, and most importantly HOPE to the people of Afghanistan, and we only withdrew because we could not handle doing it alone anymore.

The same approach must be made against Daesh. It is the Syrians, Kurds, Yazidis, and Iraqis who must be at the forefront of their defeat. What assistance we provide, even if it boots at the front lines, must be strategic and well thought out, not driven by a desire to paint the land red with blood. We, who are dubbed "The West", cannot allow ourselves to tarnish the legacies of those who came before though actions such as those.

Do not think with hatred in your heart. Be rational, step back, and allow our professionals to make the decisions. Hollering for immediate deployment of our military assets will not bring peace to the currently 132 innocent lives that have been taken. Finding the road to peace, however that road may be paved, will.

[Ganos Lao]

i just wondered, if Pope today declared Crusade and militarisation of the Church, would Catholics obey him?

since we discussed crusades so much previously as act of self-defense...is it self-defense now, isn't it?

Because the Swiss Guard can field thousands on a moment's notice obviously. And don't forget the Vatican Mechanized Division.

Ah, the VMD! I remember when Father Georgius delivered a rousing speech to his men about the need to display tremendous courage against the Saracen Hordes.

Then there's one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you're sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, 'What did you do in the great Tenth Crusade?' You won't have to cough and say, 'Well, your granddaddy shoveled manure in Lazio.' No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say 'Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Vatican Mechanized Division and a venerable Man of God named Father Georgius!'

[Socialist Czechia]

Because the Swiss Guard can field thousands on a moment's notice obviously. And don't forget the Vatican Mechanized Division.

Ah, the VMD! I remember when Father Georgius delivered a rousing speech to his men about the need to display tremendous courage against the Saracen Hordes.

Then there's one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you're sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, 'What did you do in the great Tenth Crusade?' You won't have to cough and say, 'Well, your granddaddy shoveled manure in Lazio.' No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say 'Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Vatican Mechanized Division and a venerable Man of God named Father Georgius!'

it's strange that this movie was not banned. so intolerant speech about muslims :3

[Arslaniya]

Ugh, this was just terrible. My heart goes out to the families and friends of everyone who was impacted by this horrific event.

My heart also goes out to the families and friends of the victims of the attacks in both Beirut and Baghdad. Unfortunate that those tragedies are pretty much being ignored by the mainstream masses in the west.

[Ganos Lao]

Unfortunate that those tragedies are pretty much being ignored by the mainstream masses in the west.

I don't think they're so much ignored as they are merely seen as everyday life over there. Yeah, it's tragic too, but at the same time people probably are desensitized to Middle Eastern violence.

It's a much different feeling when this stuff comes to where you live. People normally don't expect to have such violence hit their cities, impact their family and friends.

[Socialist Czechia]

Unfortunate that those tragedies are pretty much being ignored by the mainstream masses in the west.

I don't think they're so much ignored as they are merely seen as everyday life over there. Yeah, it's tragic too, but at the same time people probably are desensitized to Middle Eastern violence.

It's a much different feeling when this stuff comes to where you live, see?

although British still seems stoic, even when killings were in London.

i bet even assassination of their monarch by Islamists wouldn't change that

[Ganos Lao]

I don't think they're so much ignored as they are merely seen as everyday life over there. Yeah, it's tragic too, but at the same time people probably are desensitized to Middle Eastern violence.

It's a much different feeling when this stuff comes to where you live, see?

although British still seems stoic, even when killings were in London.

i bet even assassination of their monarch by Islamists wouldn't change that

I just don't see people deliberately ignoring what goes on there.

A lot of it is that people are just desensitized to the consistent violence in the region. It's like saying water's wet. Of course it's wet, and of course there's been another bout of violence in Baghdad or wherever.

Like I said, it's a much different feeling when you're living in some Western city and suddenly shots are fired and explosions go off and your loved one ends up lying on the street with a blanket over them.

[Fartsniffage]

I don't think they're so much ignored as they are merely seen as everyday life over there. Yeah, it's tragic too, but at the same time people probably are desensitized to Middle Eastern violence.

It's a much different feeling when this stuff comes to where you live, see?

although British still seems stoic, even when killings were in London.

i bet even assassination of their monarch by Islamists wouldn't change that

You forget that bombings have been a part of life in the UK since the 70's. It's never nice but people in the UK were kinda used to it.

[Daburuetchi]

If by happiness you mean toiling on your feudal lord's manse while paying tithe then yes. Life as a peasant was the hypest. Especially the part where you couldn't understand what the hell the priest was even saying but had to sit around for two hours while his back was turned to a wall mumbling in Latin.

Sweetheart, the Netherlands didn't have serfdom in the Dutch Golden Age.

They most certainly had a peasantry hon.

[Royal Hindustan]

although British still seems stoic, even when killings were in London.

i bet even assassination of their monarch by Islamists wouldn't change that

I just don't see people deliberately ignoring what goes on there.

A lot of it is that people are just desensitized to the consistent violence in the region. It's like saying water's wet. Of course it's wet, and of course there's been another bout of violence in Baghdad or wherever.

Like I said, it's a much different feeling when you're living in some Western city and suddenly shots are fired and explosions go off and your loved one ends up lying on the street with a blanket over them.

Because in the west, people fought for many years to create that peace and joyful harmony. We aren't going to let some shithead Islamists take that away from us.