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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:17 pm

Immoren wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Moreover, alcohol, in moderation, is actually beneficial for you.

[Something about drunk moderators here]

Hey, we have a long-standing rule not to mod while under the influence! :P Granted, moderating does make me really, really want a drink now and again. ;)

As for the topic, the system as proposed by the OP is superfluous at best, and a costly waste of resources for no measurable gain at worst. Alcohol abuse is a problem, and one that is already largely addressed by existing taxes and ID laws. As others have already said, if you want to combat the problem further, you need to instigate societal change. Right now, there is a very pervasive notion that alcohol consumption (sometimes to excess) is pretty much required for certain social activities to be "fun." Parties without booze are looked down on compared to those with lots of alcohol available, clubs and such have arbitrary rules about the number of drinks you have to agree to buy in order to get through the door. Movies and television often play up these tropes, along with playing drunkenness for laughs. Much like tobacco use was portrayed as the "in" and social elite thing, so long as alcohol is socially held up as required for fitting in or socializing, people will fall into the trap of overdoing it/getting addicted. Change the media portrayal, and you'll see a much bigger decrease in usage, again, much like tobacco. Couple that with better education and access to addiction treatment, and you'll tackle the problem far more effectively than merely duplicating the existing licensing and ID system for selling/buying the stuff.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:23 pm

Bullshit.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:45 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Puritanism sucks. And it works just as well as Prohibition did. Meaning, it doesn't work for shit.

Puritans actually did drink alcohol, they were just against drunkenness.


You apparently do not understand that I wasn't talking about the sect but rather about the attitude.

puritanical (ˌpjʊərɪˈtænɪkəl) or less commonly puritanic
adj
1. strict in moral...

pu•ri•tan•i•cal (ˌpyʊər ɪˈtæn ɪ kəl) also pu`ri•tan′ic,

adj.
1. very strict in moral or religious matters, often excessively so; rigidly austere.


Prissy, prudish, austere attitudes. Puritanical. Get it?
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Postby Dulce et Decorum » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:54 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:Puritans actually did drink alcohol, they were just against drunkenness.


You apparently do not understand that I wasn't talking about the sect but rather about the attitude.

puritanical (ˌpjʊərɪˈtænɪkəl) or less commonly puritanic
adj
1. strict in moral...

pu•ri•tan•i•cal (ˌpyʊər ɪˈtæn ɪ kəl) also pu`ri•tan′ic,

adj.
1. very strict in moral or religious matters, often excessively so; rigidly austere.


Prissy, prudish, austere attitudes. Puritanical. Get it?


Not really when it has no link to my post.

You'll note no one was suggesting the baseline be no access to alcohol but simply that misuse of alcohol leads to restriction

There you have it folks, consequences applied to negative actions is now puritanical in the world of Nanatsu no Bacchus

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:57 pm

Dulce et Decorum wrote:
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You apparently do not understand that I wasn't talking about the sect but rather about the attitude.



Prissy, prudish, austere attitudes. Puritanical. Get it?


Not really when it has no link to my post.

You'll note no one was suggesting the baseline be no access to alcohol but simply that misuse of alcohol leads to restriction

There you have it folks, consequences applied to negative actions is now puritanical in the world of Nanatsu no Bacchus


I love the title and I shall use it from now. Thanks. Your OP is still puritanical however.
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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:57 pm

Alcohol is no right. We should tax it, along with carbon emissions, and cigarettes.
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Postby Dulce et Decorum » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dulce et Decorum wrote:
Not really when it has no link to my post.

You'll note no one was suggesting the baseline be no access to alcohol but simply that misuse of alcohol leads to restriction

There you have it folks, consequences applied to negative actions is now puritanical in the world of Nanatsu no Bacchus


I love the title and I shall use it from now. Thanks. Your OP is still puritanical however.


Because you said so and have the inability to explain your reasoning to a logical standard. Its nice that you learnt a new word from your word a day toilet paper and I commend your desire to shoehorn it into your daily use but sadly this really isn't the right place for it.

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Postby Hugdom » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:59 pm

Have we not learned from our mistakes? Booze = good. Anti booze = bad.

Mkay?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:02 pm

Dulce et Decorum wrote:
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I love the title and I shall use it from now. Thanks. Your OP is still puritanical however.


Because you said so and have the inability to explain your reasoning to a logical standard. Its nice that you learnt a new word from your word a day toilet paper and I commend your desire to shoehorn it into your daily use but sadly this really isn't the right place for it.


Oh, look, an ITG who doesn't enjoy his OP getting called what it is, Puritanical. No, really, keep up with the ad hominems, they tickle. :lol2:
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:03 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:There are already multiple taxes on tobacco and alcohol.

Well, let's invent a new one every time someone thinks alcohol abuse might be a problem.
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Postby Mike from Progressive » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:04 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There are already multiple taxes on tobacco and alcohol.

Well, let's invent a new one every time someone thinks alcohol abuse might be a problem.


I thought we were already doing that.

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Postby Dulce et Decorum » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:09 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Dulce et Decorum wrote:
Because you said so and have the inability to explain your reasoning to a logical standard. Its nice that you learnt a new word from your word a day toilet paper and I commend your desire to shoehorn it into your daily use but sadly this really isn't the right place for it.


Oh, look, an ITG who doesn't enjoy his OP getting called what it is, Puritanical. No, really, keep up with the ad hominems, they tickle. :lol2:


Another two words you misuse to add to the list? Is English a second language for you? I can understand the confusions if so.

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Postby Dulce et Decorum » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:10 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:There are already multiple taxes on tobacco and alcohol.

Well, let's invent a new one every time someone thinks alcohol abuse might be a problem.


I'd say theres a fairly strong consensus that alcohol abuse is a problem, no 'might' about if.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:22 pm

Dulce et Decorum wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Oh, look, an ITG who doesn't enjoy his OP getting called what it is, Puritanical. No, really, keep up with the ad hominems, they tickle. :lol2:


Another two words you misuse to add to the list? Is English a second language for you? I can understand the confusions if so.


Attacking my English now? Oh, well, it still doesn't detract from the fact that your OP is a Puritanical shtick but hey, who am I to burst your bubble? Live on! :lol2:

Mike from Progressive wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Well, let's invent a new one every time someone thinks alcohol abuse might be a problem.


I thought we were already doing that.


You know how it is.

This is something I have always found weird about the US. Let us war against booze and sex and abortion, but do not dare touch our guns!

Americans can arm themselves to the teeth but don't you dare look at boobs or drink a beer, son.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:23 pm

Dulce et Decorum wrote:Nanatsu no Bacchus
Dulce et Decorum wrote:Its nice that you learnt a new word from your word a day toilet paper and I commend your desire to shoehorn it into your daily use but sadly this really isn't the right place for it.
Dulce et Decorum wrote:Is English a second language for you? I can understand the confusions if so.


Dude. Stop. Don't make me have to go flag down one of my colleagues to smack you for flaming or flamebaiting.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:31 pm

Didn't even read but don't touch my fucking alcohol.
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Postby Dulce et Decorum » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:33 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:Didn't even read but don't touch my fucking alcohol.


Don't fuck yourself up legally or medically due to it and you won't have your alcohol touched.

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Postby Dulce et Decorum » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:33 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Dulce et Decorum wrote:Nanatsu no Bacchus
Dulce et Decorum wrote:Its nice that you learnt a new word from your word a day toilet paper and I commend your desire to shoehorn it into your daily use but sadly this really isn't the right place for it.
Dulce et Decorum wrote:Is English a second language for you? I can understand the confusions if so.


Dude. Stop. Don't make me have to go flag down one of my colleagues to smack you for flaming or flamebaiting.


You can't do so yourself?

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Postby Hugdom » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:35 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:Didn't even read but don't touch my fucking alcohol.


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Postby Daburuetchi » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:35 pm

Like all privileges alcohol's should be thoroughly checked

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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:35 pm

Dulce et Decorum wrote:
Wolfmanne2 wrote:Didn't even read but don't touch my fucking alcohol.


Don't fuck yourself up legally or medically due to it and you won't have your alcohol touched.

I honestly don't care. My alcohol is my alcohol. Leave it alone and leave the alcohol of other people alone. For me it is not a political issue that is justified by liberalism, relativism, communitarianism, traditionalism, utilitarianism or whatever ism. It is justified by the fact I just want to get white girl wasted every now and then.
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Postby Hugdom » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:36 pm

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
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Don't fuck yourself up legally or medically due to it and you won't have your alcohol touched.

I honestly don't care. My alcohol is my alcohol. Leave it alone and leave the alcohol of other people alone. For me it is not a political issue that is justified by liberalism, relativism, communitarianism, traditionalism, utilitarianism or whatever ism. It is justified by the fact I just want to get white girl wasted every now and then.


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Postby Havenburgh » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:37 pm

Isnt drinking achahol a privlage already? Thats why you have to wait to be a certian age to drink it?

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Postby Hugdom » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:39 pm

Havenburgh wrote:Isnt drinking achahol a privlage already? Thats why you have to wait to be a certian age to drink it?


No, it's that way because technically speaking children don't have any rights. And the reason why it's not at 18 is because people are fucking dumb.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:41 pm

Hugdom wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:Isnt drinking achahol a privlage already? Thats why you have to wait to be a certian age to drink it?


No, it's that way because technically speaking children don't have any rights. And the reason why it's not at 18 is because people are fucking dumb.


What he means is that it is already a privilege, not a right. I think you should have a right to drink booze. Of course, if you fuck up (because personal accountability is something I believe in), your rights can be revoked there. I don't think anyone should be penalized for your inability to control yourself. The system we have is fine. No need for card carrying or any other bullshit.
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