Woman who tweeted "kill all white men" to remain in post

[Costa Fierro]

Unless she actually attempts to go through with this, or engages in discriminatory practices against white men she should remain in her post. Freedom of speech means you can say things like this. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

There's a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Saying "kill all x sex of y race" is hate speech. It is no different to saying kill all homosexuals or kill all black people.

Just because you have the means to say things doesn't mean that what you say should be said or should be accepted by society as a whole.

[Confederate Ramenia]

Unless she actually attempts to go through with this, or engages in discriminatory practices against white men she should remain in her post. Freedom of speech means you can say things like this. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

There's a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Saying "kill all x sex of y race" is hate speech. It is no different to saying kill all homosexuals or kill all black people.

Just because you have the means to say things doesn't mean that what you say should be said or should be accepted by society as a whole.

It shouldn't be accepted, or be said at all, but she should have the freedom to say it. ALL speech is free speech.

[Sebtopiaris]

That Culturally Turkified Anatolian Greek can't say shit.

[Napkiraly]

Whenever I think of Tumblr I think of the Germanic army from Gladiator for some reason.

Half naked men with long, flowing hair, body paint and swords?

More like incoherent yelling while charging headlong into disaster.

[Napkiraly]

If this is true, its deplorable. I say if because isn't the telegraph known to be a Right wing rag?

Better and more credible than the Mail. I mean, it isn't the Times but it's okay. Plus it's in the Independent an Guardian as well. And being part of UCL I've gotten a rather close seat to the whole she bang. Especially since UCL's union decided to support her. Top notch there UCLU, top notch indeed. *thumbs up*

[Kylarnatia]

If this is true, its deplorable. I say if because isn't the telegraph known to be a Right wing rag?

Better and more credible than the Mail. I mean, it isn't the Times but it's okay. Plus it's in the Independent an Guardian as well. And being part of UCL I've gotten a rather close seat to the whole she bang. Especially since UCL's union decided to support her. Top notch there UCLU, top notch indeed. *thumbs up*

Correction: our outgoing Women's Officer, Black, Minority and Ethnic Officer, and Welfare and International Officer released a statement that they agree with the principle of "safe spaces", which is what Bahar Mustafa cited as her reasoning for banning white people and men from her event. As far as I know, however, they never referred to Mustafa herself, and never said they supported her.

I definitely know that the UCLU hasn't backed her, last I heard.

[Napkiraly]

Better and more credible than the Mail. I mean, it isn't the Times but it's okay. Plus it's in the Independent an Guardian as well. And being part of UCL I've gotten a rather close seat to the whole she bang. Especially since UCL's union decided to support her. Top notch there UCLU, top notch indeed. *thumbs up*

Correction: our outgoing Women's Officer, Black, Minority and Ethnic Officer, and Welfare and International Officer released a statement that they agree with the principle of "safe spaces", which is what Bahar Mustafa cited as her reasoning for banning white people and men from her event. As far as I know, however, they never referred to Mustafa herself, and never said they supported her.

I definitely know that the UCLU hasn't backed her, last I heard.

Ah okay, my bad. Heard they had.

[Dracoria]

Unless she actually attempts to go through with this, or engages in discriminatory practices against white men she should remain in her post. Freedom of speech means you can say things like this. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Freedom of speech covers the government not censoring you. Doesn't mean you can't get canned or panned for spewing bile.

[Dumb Ideologies]

She should absolutely be removed. The right to free speech stops with promoting hate and division. Gerrout.

[Chessmistress]

She should absolutely be removed. The right to free speech stops with promoting hate and division. Gerrout.

I think she is wrong but removing her is absolutely exaggerated.
What is a "Gender terrorist" (in your signature)? that's interesting...

[Krjder]

Oh, for Heaven's Sake! This is beyond ludicrous!

[Dumb Ideologies]

She should absolutely be removed. The right to free speech stops with promoting hate and division. Gerrout.

I think she is wrong but removing her is absolutely exaggerated.
What is a "Gender terrorist" (in your signature)? that's interesting...

It refers to my zero mercy approach to dealing with transphobes and queerphobes from across the political spectrum.

Hello, by the way.

[Baltischen Union]

Modern Feminism is a plague, in my opinion.

[Billugslovakc]

Honestly, its these idiots who give the racists, Neo-nazia and bigots their fuel. Racism is discrimination against any other race or ethnic group; it doesn't matter whether your the minority or the majority; its still racism plain and simple. We should live in a world of peace, acceptance and without intolerance, and yes, while there may still be a divide in the rights of men women, blacks, whites asians, we must stop bringing forth hatred of one another and learn to put our differences aside and join together as one people; for it is our racial, spiritual and sexual differences which make us unique as a species; we must not fight and hate each other and all work together to make a better world for all our kin.

Sure it may seem like a long way away, but just because its far off doesn't mean we can't reach it.

[Chessmistress]

I think she is wrong but removing her is absolutely exaggerated.
What is a "Gender terrorist" (in your signature)? that's interesting...

It refers to my zero mercy approach to dealing with transphobes and queerphobes from across the political spectrum.

Hello, by the way.

Hello to you
It seems to me you're still unable to get the difference between saying "transexuals shouldn't be feminists but allies because they don't share our full experience" and "I hate transexuals" - but it's an HUGE difference. Also, I wrote the same for males, even highlighting that males do not share at all women's experience (that means that I think they are - generally, on average - worse allies than transexuals).
Also you conflate "transphobes" and "queerphobes": gender abolitionism is all pro-queer, in fact is the epitome of pro-queer. The very fact that we criticise some pro-heteronormativity behaviors and stereotypisations exhibited by transexuals is inherently and deeply queer.

[Zakuvia]

We've come a very long way as far as our relations with other people. First world nations don't, as a whole, condone lynching, bigotry, or discrimination of any stripe. We're moving towards a much more pro-human mein. Feminism is a reaction to...well a recorded human histories worth of inequality, which is understandable. But it, too, shall pass as people understand it for what it is and get over it. It will be similar to race relations. Are people born with differing melanin levels? Yes. Does that affect how I treat them as a person? No. Is someone born with different reproductive organs? Yes. Does that affect how I treat them as a person? No.

Will there be people who just refuse to get along with the times? Sadly, yes.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It refers to my zero mercy approach to dealing with transphobes and queerphobes from across the political spectrum.

Hello, by the way.

Hello to you
It seems to me you're still unable to get the difference between saying "transexuals shouldn't be feminists but allies because they don't share our full experience" and "I hate transexuals" - but it's an HUGE difference. Also, I wrote the same for males, even highlighting that males do not share at all women's experience (that means that I think they are - generally, on average - worse allies than transexuals).
Also you conflate "transphobes" and "queerphobes": gender abolitionism is all pro-queer, in fact is the epitome of pro-queer. The very fact that we criticise some pro-heteronormativity behaviors and stereotypisations exhibited by transexuals is inherently and deeply queer.

There is no authentic unified female experience given differences of culture, class, education and - yes - sex assignation at birth so it is logically impossible for you to rule trans folk "in" or "out" of it. Furthermore you have no authority or right to exclude self-defining women from the category of "woman" - you are attempting to establish a false hierarchy and relations of control with yourself at the head. Gender abolitionism is inherently "anti-queer" because trying to remove gender from the vocabulary removes the tools to criticize societal technologies and methodologies of gendered hierarchy; there is a reason why cultural conservatives are also very keen to eliminate such terms. A pro-queer stance entails seeking to maximize individual space to express gendered selves and identities; you seek to use instruments of social control to isolate and eventually eliminate categories of self-defining women - that is anti-trans and anti-queer. You do not criticize "pro-heteronormative behaviours and stereotypes exhibited by transsexual individuals" as a neutral bystander - what you do is look for a way to justify stating that their identities are "inauthentic" because you have already decided that they are. A transwoman whose presentation behaviour is within "standard" feminine bounds is, to you, merely replaying stereotypes and helping to bolster a patriarchal framework, but a transwoman such as myself who is somewhat more queer in presentation and behaviour demonstrates to you "residual male energy" and again "proves" inauthenticity. Such commentary is not a neutral representation of the facts but a transphobic confirmation bias writ large.

Ultimately, there is no way to deny that TERFs are transphobic - we're unwanted outsiders who you want to keep out and marginalize in the short term and eliminate in the long-term through brainwashing "feminist" therapy to eliminate our unethical and immoral existences. These are exactly the methods advocated by conservative Christians through their bigoted and oppressive attempts to "reprogram" gay people; you'll have to forgive me if your protestations to "hate the sin, but love the sinner" have the ring of hand-waving and excuse making.

You are a bigot; that is your problem, not ours, and it is your moral duty as a feminist to try to overcome your unsustainable and unjustifiable prejudices.

[Judah]

Meh, nothing wrong here. It's not like she said anything worthy of a charge of incitement to racial hatred and genocide. It's not like Goldsmiths was founded by white men.

I'll even bet that white men aren't responsible for letting her into their country in the first place.

Bahar Mustafa claims she can not be racist because she is an ethnic minority woman

[Roderia]

I personally believe she should be removed from her post, and publicly ridiculed. But that's not going to happen, and that makes me sad.

[Galloism]

Hello to you
It seems to me you're still unable to get the difference between saying "transexuals shouldn't be feminists but allies because they don't share our full experience" and "I hate transexuals" - but it's an HUGE difference. Also, I wrote the same for males, even highlighting that males do not share at all women's experience (that means that I think they are - generally, on average - worse allies than transexuals).
Also you conflate "transphobes" and "queerphobes": gender abolitionism is all pro-queer, in fact is the epitome of pro-queer. The very fact that we criticise some pro-heteronormativity behaviors and stereotypisations exhibited by transexuals is inherently and deeply queer.

There is no authentic unified female experience given differences of culture, class, education and - yes - sex assignation at birth so it is logically impossible for you to rule trans folk "in" or "out" of it. Furthermore you have no authority or right to exclude self-defining women from the category of "woman" - you are attempting to establish a false hierarchy and relations of control with yourself at the head. Gender abolitionism is inherently "anti-queer" because trying to remove gender from the vocabulary removes the tools to criticize societal technologies and methodologies of gendered hierarchy; there is a reason why cultural conservatives are also very keen to eliminate such terms. A pro-queer stance entails seeking to maximize individual space to express gendered selves and identities; you seek to use instruments of social control to isolate and eventually eliminate categories of self-defining women - that is anti-trans and anti-queer. You do not criticize "pro-heteronormative behaviours and stereotypes exhibited by transsexual individuals" as a neutral bystander - what you do is look for a way to justify stating that their identities are "inauthentic" because you have already decided that they are. A transwoman whose presentation behaviour is within "standard" feminine bounds is, to you, merely replaying stereotypes and helping to bolster a patriarchal framework, but a transwoman such as myself who is somewhat more queer in presentation and behaviour demonstrates to you "residual male energy" and again "proves" inauthenticity. Such commentary is not a neutral representation of the facts but a transphobic confirmation bias writ large.

Ultimately, there is no way to deny that TERFs are transphobic - we're unwanted outsiders who you want to keep out and marginalize in the short term and eliminate in the long-term through brainwashing "feminist" therapy to eliminate our unethical and moral existences. These are exactly the methods advocated by conservative Christians through their bigoted and oppressive attempts to "reprogram" gay people; you'll have to forgive me if your protestations to "hate the sin, but love the sinner" have the ring of hand-waving and excuse making.

You are a bigot; that is your problem, not ours, and it is your moral duty as a feminist to try to overcome your unsustainable and unjustifiable prejudices.

Epic well-deserved smackdown. Would read again.

[Wisconsin9]

She should absolutely be removed. The right to free speech stops with promoting hate and division. Gerrout.

I think she is wrong but removing her is absolutely exaggerated.
What is a "Gender terrorist" (in your signature)? that's interesting...

Again, she is supposed to be promoting diversity. Saying that a demographic should be exterminated is literally the exact opposite of what she's supposed to be doing. There could not possibly be a better reason to remove her from her position.

[Frasers]

I'll even bet that white men aren't responsible for letting her into their country in the first place.

???

[Fartsniffage]

Hello to you
It seems to me you're still unable to get the difference between saying "transexuals shouldn't be feminists but allies because they don't share our full experience" and "I hate transexuals" - but it's an HUGE difference. Also, I wrote the same for males, even highlighting that males do not share at all women's experience (that means that I think they are - generally, on average - worse allies than transexuals).
Also you conflate "transphobes" and "queerphobes": gender abolitionism is all pro-queer, in fact is the epitome of pro-queer. The very fact that we criticise some pro-heteronormativity behaviors and stereotypisations exhibited by transexuals is inherently and deeply queer.

There is no authentic unified female experience given differences of culture, class, education and - yes - sex assignation at birth so it is logically impossible for you to rule trans folk "in" or "out" of it. Furthermore you have no authority or right to exclude self-defining women from the category of "woman" - you are attempting to establish a false hierarchy and relations of control with yourself at the head. Gender abolitionism is inherently "anti-queer" because trying to remove gender from the vocabulary removes the tools to criticize societal technologies and methodologies of gendered hierarchy; there is a reason why cultural conservatives are also very keen to eliminate such terms. A pro-queer stance entails seeking to maximize individual space to express gendered selves and identities; you seek to use instruments of social control to isolate and eventually eliminate categories of self-defining women - that is anti-trans and anti-queer. You do not criticize "pro-heteronormative behaviours and stereotypes exhibited by transsexual individuals" as a neutral bystander - what you do is look for a way to justify stating that their identities are "inauthentic" because you have already decided that they are. A transwoman whose presentation behaviour is within "standard" feminine bounds is, to you, merely replaying stereotypes and helping to bolster a patriarchal framework, but a transwoman such as myself who is somewhat more queer in presentation and behaviour demonstrates to you "residual male energy" and again "proves" inauthenticity. Such commentary is not a neutral representation of the facts but a transphobic confirmation bias writ large.

Ultimately, there is no way to deny that TERFs are transphobic - we're unwanted outsiders who you want to keep out and marginalize in the short term and eliminate in the long-term through brainwashing "feminist" therapy to eliminate our unethical and immoral existences. These are exactly the methods advocated by conservative Christians through their bigoted and oppressive attempts to "reprogram" gay people; you'll have to forgive me if your protestations to "hate the sin, but love the sinner" have the ring of hand-waving and excuse making.

You are a bigot; that is your problem, not ours, and it is your moral duty as a feminist to try to overcome your unsustainable and unjustifiable prejudices.

[Ifreann]

Meh, nothing wrong here. It's not like she said anything worthy of a charge of incitement to racial hatred and genocide. It's not like Goldsmiths was founded by white men.

I'll even bet that white men aren't responsible for letting her into their country in the first place.

Britain doesn't belong to white men. It belongs to a white woman, and her maj is fairly fond of people from around the Mediterranean.

[Need a Name]

If she was in mostly any other position, I wouldn't care but since she's the university's diversity officer I think she should be fired.