Does God (Christian) exist (Try No.2)

[Chilokver]

In my opinion, yes.
Of course, offering proof in such debates is almost impossible: Whilst there is no proof God does exist, there is no proof that he doesn't.

Hence Agnosticism.

[Neutraligon]

1) Prove it

It's common sense that God has never existed in the physical world. There is no way of proving God exists in the physical world, you should be passed this point and I should not have to explain this to you.

2) no it doesn't, but if there is no way of detecting something at all, then there is no way of stating it does exist. Until there is proof something does exist, there is no reason to think it does or do you believe in the invisible pink undetectable unicorn that circles the moon.

You don't seem to be understanding the concept of a physical and spiritual plane, they are seperate. You can not mix these two together, some people 'feel' the prescence of God, some say they communicate with Him, some things even happen that can not be explained, you just can't prove He ultimately exists nor can you prove that he does not, this is a fundamental concept of Christianity. You have a choice to believe in God or not, He does not exist to be proven.

3) Because the Christian god is entirely based upon the bible. If the bible is wrong, then the god described by that bible does not exist.

The Christian God is not based entirely on the Bible, you're going to need to back yourself up here. God has been spoken about throughout different civilisations for thousands of years, we have been studying theology since ancient times in different ways, He is not based entirely on the Bible. The Bible is not something to base your argument on, it is not perfect but like I said, it's cannonised holy scripture recounting the creation of the Earth and everything else, past events, and the life of Christ through different disciples.

The Christian god does not follow any sort of common sense anyway, so why should it be common sense that the christian god does not exist in the real world. Also, considering the claims about Jesus, it is clear that said god does exist in this world and affects it, meaning we should be capable of measuring it. But no such measurements exist.

Prove the spiritual plane exists. There is no evidence of it. If there is no evidence something exists there is no reason to believe he does, or do you believe in that unicorn I mentioned. What you are talking about is gullibility, and I refuse to be that gullible.

If the Bible is not perfect, then it cannot be relied upon at all. If it is not perfect then why believe any of its contents. If it is not perfect than the entirety of the Christian religion has no basis at all.

[Bohemia Minor]

In my opinion, yes.
Of course, offering proof in such debates is almost impossible: Whilst there is no proof God does exist, there is no proof that he doesn't.

If he existed, then why is the world plagued with negative issues?

[Neutraligon]

In my opinion, yes.
Of course, offering proof in such debates is almost impossible: Whilst there is no proof God does exist, there is no proof that he doesn't.

Hence Agnosticism.

When it comes to belief in god there is only two choices, either you are a theist or you are not a theist (atheist). Agnostics are those who claim to not have absolute knowledge of a subject, hence agnostic atheist (those who do not believe in a god but are not absolutely certain) and agnostic theist (those who believe in a god but question).

[Neutraligon]

In my opinion, yes.
Of course, offering proof in such debates is almost impossible: Whilst there is no proof God does exist, there is no proof that he doesn't.

There is no proof the invisible pink undetectable unicorn is not floating around the moon.

[Fjormark]

This discussion is about the Christian God. And, the Christian God is based on the bible. If not, what else would it be based off of? Anyway, he may not be able to be physically proven or disproved. But, using logic and deductive reasoning (as I stated before), we can come to the conclusion that the Christian God does not exist. Or, at least not in any way he is presented as in the Bible. And, if the Christian God is not whom the bible claims it to be, then what is the point of the religion?

I don't think you realise that it's the other way around, the Bible is based on God, His actions and different historical events. God's actions are recounted in the Bible, but God has worked with many historical figures who recall God as guidance. Your entire logic is based on the legitimacy of the Bible, that's all there is to your argument because you can't attack anything else to back yourself.

And, if the Christian God is not whom the bible claims it to be, then what is the point of the religion?

Hahahaha, you're actually seriously asking me this. I shouldn't be surprised, this is coming from the same person that said God can't exist because he can't lift the Earth. Really dude, you'll never understand what I'm telling you, this isn't your thing, try to find other things in life to argue about, I'm wasting my time here just as you are.

[Immoren]

Yes
No
Pineapples

[Neutraligon]

Yes
No
Pineapples

YUM

[Immoren]

Yes
No
Pineapples

YUM

pineapols for the pineapol god.

[Fjormark]

In my opinion, yes.
Of course, offering proof in such debates is almost impossible: Whilst there is no proof God does exist, there is no proof that he doesn't.

There is no proof the invisible pink undetectable unicorn is not floating around the moon.

Hey, this is in response to your other post, I have to leave but essentially you have not attempted to understand anything Iv'e said or you have dismissed it and continued to spout ignorance that leaves me shaking my head, there is no point in arguing with you, if you sincerely cared about this sensitive subject you would be attempting to do your own research that is not biased and explains to you the fundamentals of Christianity. Your arguments are very primitive and thus I can not be bothered explaining the fallacies in your posts, as again there is no reason to try and make sense with you.

[Bohemia Minor]

This discussion is about the Christian God. And, the Christian God is based on the bible. If not, what else would it be based off of? Anyway, he may not be able to be physically proven or disproved. But, using logic and deductive reasoning (as I stated before), we can come to the conclusion that the Christian God does not exist. Or, at least not in any way he is presented as in the Bible. And, if the Christian God is not whom the bible claims it to be, then what is the point of the religion?

I don't think you realise that it's the other way around, the Bible is based on God, His actions and different historical events. God's actions are recounted in the Bible, but God has worked with many historical figures who recall God as guidance. Your entire logic is based on the legitimacy of the Bible, that's all there is to your argument because you can't attack anything else to back yourself.

And, if the Christian God is not whom the bible claims it to be, then what is the point of the religion?

Hahahaha, you're actually seriously asking me this. I shouldn't be surprised, this is coming from the same person that said God can't exist because he can't lift the Earth. Really dude, you'll never understand what I'm telling you, this isn't your thing, try to find other things in life to argue about, I'm wasting my time here just as you are.

Then leave. If you're rear aches from all the arguments against God, then I suggest you go read your Bible and get off the internet for a while.

[Fjormark]

Then leave. If you're rear aches from all the arguments against God, then I suggest you go read your Bible and get off the internet for a while.

And I tip my fedora back at you, good sir.

By the way, try being more blunt with your thread next time and name it according to what it really is, I'm sure the liberal mods won't blink an eye at it.

[Bohemia Minor]

There is no proof the invisible pink undetectable unicorn is not floating around the moon.

Hey, this is in response to your other post, I have to leave but essentially you have not attempted to understand anything Iv'e said or you have dismissed it and continued to spout ignorance that leaves me shaking my head, there is no point in arguing with you, if you sincerely cared about this sensitive subject you would be attempting to do your own research that is not biased and explains to you the fundamentals of Christianity. Your arguments are very primitive and thus I can not be bothered explaining the fallacies in your posts, as again there is no reason to try and make sense with you.

Your talking about primitive!?
Christianity stays still, while science moves. Society can be revolutionised, yet Christians would not care, and still go on worshipping their imaginary friend who did nothing to help millions of unfortunate people. Advancements rush straight past your lead footed God, who apparently creates an Earth, does bugger all for thousands of of years, floods the place and kills almost everything, forces incest, and creates a poor bloke called Jesus to come down and get pinned on a stick to brainwash to future civilisations.

[Immoren]

There is no proof the invisible pink undetectable unicorn is not floating around the moon.

Hey, this is in response to your other post, I have to leave but essentially you have not attempted to understand anything Iv'e said or you have dismissed it and continued to spout ignorance that leaves me shaking my head, there is no point in arguing with you, if you sincerely cared about this sensitive subject you would be attempting to do your own research that is not biased and explains to you the fundamentals of Christianity. Your arguments are very primitive and thus I can not be bothered explaining the fallacies in your posts, as again there is no reason to try and make sense with you.

"positive claims required positive evidence. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
usually negative claims don't require evidence because negative claim is null position impossible to prove, something else and/or queer mix of previous.

[Neutraligon]

There is no proof the invisible pink undetectable unicorn is not floating around the moon.

Hey, this is in response to your other post, I have to leave but essentially you have not attempted to understand anything Iv'e said or you have dismissed it and continued to spout ignorance that leaves me shaking my head, there is no point in arguing with you, if you sincerely cared about this sensitive subject you would be attempting to do your own research that is not biased and explains to you the fundamentals of Christianity. Your arguments are very primitive and thus I can not be bothered explaining the fallacies in your posts, as again there is no reason to try and make sense with you.

I have neither ignored nor dismissed it. As for the ignorance, the claim can be said to go both ways, as far as I am concerned you have shown a great deal of ignorance. I have done my own research, that is why I have come to the conclusions I have. Go ahead an explain my fallacies, I am waiting. This is a debate forum, so go ahead an prove me wrong. If you are unable to take criticism I would suggest you not come to these boards, just as there threads, just as there are threads I do not go on because I now I will not deal well with them. Your arguments assume god first, rather than proving god which is the very basis of this argument. Mu entire reason for not believing is that no such proof exists as of now. Should you be able to provide said proof I would believe. So I am waitng, go ahead and make your proof.

[Bohemia Minor]

Then leave. If you're rear aches from all the arguments against God, then I suggest you go read your Bible and get off the internet for a while.

And I tip my fedora back at you, good sir.

By the way, try being more blunt with your thread next time and name it according to what it really is, I'm sure the liberal mods won't blink an eye at it.

That was my best try at making the poll and title as neutral as possible. Then I can state my own opinion.

[Neutraligon]

This discussion is about the Christian God. And, the Christian God is based on the bible. If not, what else would it be based off of? Anyway, he may not be able to be physically proven or disproved. But, using logic and deductive reasoning (as I stated before), we can come to the conclusion that the Christian God does not exist. Or, at least not in any way he is presented as in the Bible. And, if the Christian God is not whom the bible claims it to be, then what is the point of the religion?

I don't think you realise that it's the other way around, the Bible is based on God, His actions and different historical events. God's actions are recounted in the Bible, but God has worked with many historical figures who recall God as guidance. Your entire logic is based on the legitimacy of the Bible, that's all there is to your argument because you can't attack anything else to back yourself.

And, if the Christian God is not whom the bible claims it to be, then what is the point of the religion?

Hahahaha, you're actually seriously asking me this. I shouldn't be surprised, this is coming from the same person that said God can't exist because he can't lift the Earth. Really dude, you'll never understand what I'm telling you, this isn't your thing, try to find other things in life to argue about, I'm wasting my time here just as you are.

If the bible is wrong then why should we trust it to accurately portray anything about god correctly? For that matter, considering this is a discussion about the existence of god, why should we believe the bible that god actually exists? The bible is literally the only thing that provides any proof or any definition of what the Christian god is. If the bible is not legitimate then how do we know anything about the god you claim exists. How do we know what he likes or does not like, how do we know his morals? You are claiming that the bible is based on God, what proof do you have of this?

Also, considering you directly flamed the OP I do not see you as having the high ground on this one

And I tip my fedora back at you, good sir.

By the way, try being more blunt with your thread next time and name it according to what it really is, I'm sure the liberal mods won't blink an eye at it.

That was my best try at making the poll and title as neutral as possible. Then I can state my own opinion.

You did fine.

[Pegraynaky]

And I tip my fedora back at you, good sir.

By the way, try being more blunt with your thread next time and name it according to what it really is, I'm sure the liberal mods won't blink an eye at it.

That was my best try at making the poll and title as neutral as possible. Then I can state my own opinion.

You did great. Just ignore his flaming.

[Great Pewdiepie]

That was my best try at making the poll and title as neutral as possible. Then I can state my own opinion.

You did great. Just ignore his flaming.

Oliver stop using your puppets.

[Chilokver]

You did great. Just ignore his flaming.

Oliver stop using your puppets.

And you too Alex.

[Bohemia Minor]

Oliver stop using your puppets.

And you too Alex.

Get back in the box! That was nothing.

[Socialist Czechia]

Shorter answer: No.

Longer answer: If there would be such powerful immortal deity, who knows everything, sees everything, can do anything etc. then human race is totally unimportant stuff for him, not more important than any other short living creatures in whole Universe.
So, it doesn't matter for your pitiful small lives if he exists or not, such powerful being won't care.

[Immoren]

Shorter answer: No.

Longer answer: If there would be such powerful immortal deity, who knows everything, sees everything, can do anything etc. then human race is totally unimportant stuff for him, not more important than any other short living creatures in whole Universe.
So, it doesn't matter for your pitiful small lives if he exists or not, such powerful being won't care.

That's also assuming that YHWH omnipresent omnipotent omnicabaple isn't just a result of good PR team.

[Bohemia Minor]

Quick, get the defibrillator for this topic!

[Reploid Productions]

Okay, having finished going through the last several pages of the thread, time for every mod's least favorite party game: Pin the Warn on the Rulebreaker.

OP is a faggot as usual, I can guarantee anyone here that agrees with him has very poor theological understanding but try to compensate for that by acting superior and everyone else mindless sheep.

I can insult you too.

<snip>

Move on, you'll eventually grow out of the angsty teen rebel phase.

Actually, no, you don't get to insult other players willy-nilly without running into a banhammer. Apparently, the last time you gave yourself a banhammer concussion, it apparently failed to convince you that you need to follow the rules and that calling people you disagree with 'faggots" and sundry other insults is not a thing you should be doing. So we apply slightly more percussive maintenance in the hopes of fixing your rulebreaking problem.

*** Fjormark, 3-day ban for flaming/trolling. ***

Report for profanity.

Profanity, by itself, it not particularly actionable.

If you're rear aches from all the arguments against God, then I suggest you go read your Bible and get off the internet for a while.

Fancy ways of calling another user butthurt are still flaming. Unlike Fjormark however, you don't have a warning history, so you get let off this time with an unofficial.

Bohemia Minor, knock off the flaming.


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