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The United Regions
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Postby The United Regions » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:00 pm

Bratislav wrote:
The United Regions wrote:"I fail to see how the Pact would increase the risk of a terrorist attack, because we would only be adding terrorist organizations that are already a threat to the IFA thus seeing their organization on a list will have no effect of the hatred they already have towards us. It will just increase the amount of support we get at fighting that organization from other alliances." -Resim


"Condemnation goes a step further. It makes us a target and puts us in the spotlight, which increases the chance of attack. Even if we have all the back of the world, why should we increase that chance? There are currently troubling conflicts going with these terrorist groups, condemning it along with those alliances, puts us in the fray of things, and increases ourselves to the possibility of attack. My goal is to minimize that risk. And as we have established - this pact - all it is, is a verbal condemnation. Nothing more. Why is it so worth it?"

Vangaziland wrote:"Here is the question that lingers. If we are not required to assist, what is the point of this pact? It is a little verbose, if all the goal is for us to condemn three terrorist groups. That could have been done easily."


"Exactly. This concerns the Bratislavian side. This pact is effectively just a verbal condemnation of terrorists. But given the verbose nature of the resolution and the circumstances, we are suspicious that ulterior motives may be hidden behind the resolution. For that reason, the resolution, the people behind it, all should be investigated to the fullest extent. This will take some time to fully complete."

"I will happily be investigated if it means the passage of this resolution" Says Resim "I do believe this resolution this Pact does nothing short of increasing the security of our member nations, you keep saying that it makes us a target and I have been silly for not asking for a example of this so I will ask now, What terrorist organization after and for being marked on a terrorist watch list attacked the nation with such a list. Also this pact is more then just a "verbal condemnation" it is a promise not an oath but a promise that someone in a member alliance, if our alliance gets a terrorist threat so serious that we can not fight it ourselves or we would see fit that we could use help from others would come to our defense."
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Postby Vangaziland » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:02 pm

The terrorist groups, which are actually more than three include the Landers Island Anarchist Front (LIAF), the Patriots of Freedom (PoF), Jundar al-Intifada, Sayf al-Khalifa, al-Sistani Rashidistan, the Halgamayaal Diinta, and the Islamic State of Jihad (ISJ). There is one more terror cell we would like to add, but in the effort of reducing controversy, we will not bring them up at this time.

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Postby Giliberafta » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:04 pm

Bratislav wrote:
Western European Republic wrote:"I'm not sure. Do we really want to be the one alliance that didn't ratify this treaty?"


"Isn't the whole point of that treaty to condemn terrorism?"

"I believe going towards an approach to ratify the treaty wil be great, but if not approved by an unanimous or close to an unanimous vote, we such just stick to condemning."

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Postby The United Regions » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:05 pm

Vangaziland wrote:The terrorist groups, which are actually more than three include the Landers Island Anarchist Front (LIAF), the Patriots of Freedom (PoF), Jundar al-Intifada, Sayf al-Khalifa, al-Sistani Rashidistan, the Halgamayaal Diinta, and the Islamic State of Jihad (ISJ). There is one more terror cell we would like to add, but in the effort of reducing controversy, we will not bring them up at this time.

"If you don't have a problem with condemning these terrorists then why do you have a problem with the Pact?" -James Resim
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Postby Vangaziland » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:11 pm

"We have a problem with the pact because it draws us into conflicts of others that are not IFA members. It was a good question though and nobody in the United Regions in under investigation. If such a huge disaster happened that the 140 member plus UL couldn't handle, than we would deal with it at that time. Relations between the UL and the IFA are reaching a peak. We don't need this pact to condemn, especially if it leaves out a terror group that the pact's creator may be... Financing. That is a little weird. But that worry has already been expressed in other outlets. I could release my intel if we believe that unsaid terror cell is not a terror cell. Yet they outright call themselves that."

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Postby The United Regions » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:15 pm

Vangaziland wrote:"We have a problem with the pact because it draws us into conflicts of others that are not IFA members. It was a good question though and nobody in the United Regions in under investigation. If such a huge disaster happened that the 140 member plus UL couldn't handle, than we would deal with it at that time. Relations between the UL and the IFA are reaching a peak. We don't need this pact to condemn, especially if it leaves out a terror group that the pact's creator may be... Financing. That is a little weird. But that worry has already been expressed in other outlets. I could release my intel if we believe that unsaid terror cell is not a terror cell. Yet they outright call themselves that."

"So perhaps we could revise the treaty leaving out specific groups leaving that up to alliances or nations respectively but say that alliances may be requested buy are not required to aid other alliances in times of terrorism?" -Resim
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Bratislav
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Postby Bratislav » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:19 pm

RESOLUTION 9 TO BE SUSPENDED

After receiving an official letter, the Bratislavian delegate states:

"After consultations with the WER and as the Executive President of this great alliance, it has been decided that Resolution 9's voting be suspended indefinitely. The positions and differences among fellow IFA members right now is too great to come to an acceptable compromise, and this continued debate will hamper further progress with other resolutions. We do hope that in the near future Resolution 9 can be brought back and modified in an acceptable manner to all member-states. As of now, Resolution 9 will be suspended from the docket until further notice. We must emphasize that the resolution is not rejected but rather suspended till an acceptable wording and compromise can be found among IFA members for the resolution. The floor will be opened to other agenda."
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Western European Republic
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Postby Western European Republic » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:38 pm

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Civil Rights Act*

[Resolution 11]


This Resolution condemns racism, sexism, discrimination based on sexual orientation, and discrimination based on religion and mandates action against it.

I. The International Freedom Alliance hereby declares that all races, sexes, sexual orientations, and religions are, according to the International Freedom Alliance, equal, and no one race, sexual orientation, sex, or religion is equal to others.
II. Nations in the International Freedom Alliance are discouraged from officially endorsing sexism, racism, discrimination based on religion, and discrimination based on sexual orientation; nations in the International Freedom Alliance are encouraged to legalize same-sex marriage, and encouraged to mandate equal pay for both sexes.
III. The International Freedom Alliance, believing that the freedom to practice one's religion to be a freedom inherent to one's life, mandates that all nations must permit the construction of any houses of worship that fall within the boundaries of reasonableness.
IV. The International Freedom Alliance, believing that freedom should not vary based on the color of one's skin, mandates that there may be no government discrimination of any race.
V. The International Freedom Alliance, believing that freedom from a death in vain is an extremely important freedom, mandates that the government may not kill people solely because of their race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.

[Thomas Herrington, the Western European Republic]


*This resolution will be voted on after Resolution 10, due to national security concerns. Thus, it is "Resolution 11".
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Postby Giliberafta » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:42 pm

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Postby Bratislav » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:43 pm

THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION POSTED IS RESOLUTION 11 THAT WILL BE DEBATED LATER. RESOLUTION 10 WILL BE THE NEXT RESOLUTION TO BE DEBATED WHICH WILL BE POSTED SOON.
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New Korongo
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Postby New Korongo » Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:54 pm

“It is my understanding, Mr Sledan, that the resolution concerning the position of the defence minister is still being written. If this indeed the case, then I do not think it matters if it is Resolution 11 instead of Resolution 10."

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Postby Western European Republic » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:02 pm

New Korongo wrote: “It is my understanding, Mr Sledan, that the resolution concerning the position of the defence minister is still being written. If this indeed the case, then I do not think it matters if it is Resolution 11 instead of Resolution 10."

"I must say, that is a valid concern. Perhaps, considering that voting is only 48 hours, we can postpone the Minister of Defense reform bill, and not the Civil Rights Act?"
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Postby Elemental North » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:31 pm

Western European Republic wrote:
New Korongo wrote: “It is my understanding, Mr Sledan, that the resolution concerning the position of the defence minister is still being written. If this indeed the case, then I do not think it matters if it is Resolution 11 instead of Resolution 10."

"I must say, that is a valid concern. Perhaps, considering that voting is only 48 hours, we can postpone the Minister of Defense reform bill, and not the Civil Rights Act?"


Is there a second for the Delegation from WER's motion to postpone the debate from the floor of the Defense Minister Reform Act in greater context to the Civil Rights Act?
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Postby Western European Republic » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:36 pm

Elemental North wrote:
Western European Republic wrote:"I must say, that is a valid concern. Perhaps, considering that voting is only 48 hours, we can postpone the Minister of Defense reform bill, and not the Civil Rights Act?"


Is there a second for the Delegation from WER's motion to postpone the debate from the floor of the Defense Minister Reform Act in greater context to the Civil Rights Act?

"I believe that I am actually seconding the delegate from New Korongo's concern."
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Postby Bratislav » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:41 pm

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IFA Further Reforms

[Resolution 10]


This resolution makes the following important administrative changes:

  • The Defense Minister requires the approval of the Executive President to begin RRF operations in defense of a fellow IFA member.
  • The IFA RRF cannot be used in any non-IFA states and can only be used to aid the defense of a fellow IFA member-states in legitimate need of such aid.
  • The Executive President has the authority to suspend the voting of resolutions that are potentially in conflict with the IFA mission, values and goals. These resolution then can be assessed further by the Council to determine if they are compatible with the IFA to be brought to the floor again.
  • The Executive President may dissolve the Executive Council if the Council becomes uncooperative and/or inactive - thus failing to complete the basic requirements for their respective positions.
  • The IFA has no legal jurisdiction to impose any type of policy or law on member-states, except for basic military reform that facilitates easier military cooperation. The IFA affirms itself as a intergovernmental military alliance that constitutes a system of collective defense.

Signed,


[Dimitri Sledan, Republic of Bratislav]
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Postby Elemental North » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:43 pm

Western European Republic wrote:
Elemental North wrote:
Is there a second for the Delegation from WER's motion to postpone the debate from the floor of the Defense Minister Reform Act in greater context to the Civil Rights Act?

"I believe that I am actually seconding the delegate from New Korongo's concern."


Ah, well a second nonetheless. The DMRA is postponed in debate, and the Civil Rights Act is moved to the floor for debate. It is so ordered. Oh lord. Alright. Would the president like this newly submitted Resolution to take precedence?
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Postby Western European Republic » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:44 pm

Bratislav wrote:
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IFA Further Reforms

[Resolution 10]


This resolution makes the following important administrative changes:

  • The Defense Minister requires the approval of the Executive President to begin RRF operations in defense of a fellow IFA member.
  • The IFA RRF cannot be used in any non-IFA states and can only be used to aid the defense of a fellow IFA member-states in legitimate need of such aid.
  • The Executive President has the authority to suspend the voting of resolutions that are potentially in conflict with the IFA mission, values and goals. These resolution then can be assessed further by the Council to determine if they are compatible with the IFA to be brought to the floor again.
  • The Executive President may dissolve the Executive Council if the Council becomes uncooperative and/or inactive - thus failing to complete the basic requirements for their respective positions.
  • The IFA has no legal jurisdiction to impose any type of policy or law on member-states, except for basic military reform that facilitates easier military cooperation. The IFA affirms itself as a intergovernmental military alliance that constitutes a system of collective defense.

Signed,


[Dimitri Sledan, Republic of Bratislav]

"If the bill is done, then Resolution 11 will be postponed. I vote AYE."
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Postby Bratislav » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:44 pm

Elemental North wrote:
Western European Republic wrote:"I believe that I am actually seconding the delegate from New Korongo's concern."


Ah, well a second nonetheless. The DMRA is postponed in debate, and the Civil Rights Act is moved to the floor for debate. It is so ordered. Oh lord. Alright. Would the president like this newly submitted Resolution to take precedence?


"Yes, WER already had agreed to have his resolution debated afterwards. Resolution 10 as posted is up for voting."
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Postby Giliberafta » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:44 pm

Deputy Minister Franklin Ortiz, knowing that if failure in the Council can lead into to its desth, says AYE to resolution 10.

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Postby Elemental North » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:47 pm

Bratislav wrote:
Elemental North wrote:
Ah, well a second nonetheless. The DMRA is postponed in debate, and the Civil Rights Act is moved to the floor for debate. It is so ordered. Oh lord. Alright. Would the president like this newly submitted Resolution to take precedence?


"Yes, WER already had agreed to have his resolution debated afterwards. Resolution 10 as posted is up for voting."


Alright then. Previous voted have been noted.
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Postby Faikliren » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:49 pm

"The Faiklirian Federation is delighted to see the motion of resolution 10 and votes AYE, our nation is going to have to reform the Federal Armed Forces significantly with this motion, but it will benefit us all in the long run." Ciejvel Naredue sits down back in his chair.
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Postby The United Regions » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:53 pm

"Aye on resolution 10" -Resim
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Postby Elemental North » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:05 pm

All noted.
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Postby Bratislav » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:09 pm

The Republic of Bratislav of course votes AYE on the resolution.
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Postby Vangaziland » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:26 pm

The Vannish delegation votes AYE on number 10.

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