Anemos Major wrote:Purpelia wrote:Thing is, I fail to see the inferiority in question. I am not talking about front line vehicles here. But basically about something like the Pzh 2000, just with a casemate instead of a turret. I actually do not see how the capability to aim with a turret as opposed to by rotating the vehicle matters in the case of long range artillery anyway.
Oh, we're talking about artillery.
In which case - what's the significant benefit of removing the turret given that we've established the cost/benefit implications of doing so are proportionately much smaller than they used to be? And given that it's artillery, considering the dispersion of rounds at extended ranges, have you considered the fact that this minute cost reduction would be accompanied in turn by a difficulty in aiming that would increase set-up and aiming times by requiring the process to be conducted through the driver using a much less precise gun-laying mechanism (i.e. the tracks) and probably an increase to round dispersion over extended ranges for the same reason?
In all honesty, I can't imagine a casemate artillery gun being without some form of slight traverse within its mounting, something like a 10-20 degree arc.
Purpelia wrote:Anemos Major wrote:Oh, we're talking about artillery.
Yes, I specifically mentioned so.In which case - what's the significant benefit of removing the turret given that we've established the cost/benefit implications of doing so are proportionately much smaller than they used to be? And given that it's artillery, considering the dispersion of rounds at extended ranges, have you considered the fact that this minute cost reduction would be accompanied in turn by a difficulty in aiming that would increase set-up and aiming times by requiring the process to be conducted through the driver using a much less precise gun-laying mechanism (i.e. the tracks) and probably an increase to round dispersion over extended ranges for the same reason?
How much of an effect would it really have though? Especially since you could reasonably couple the steering to a computerized targeting system for fun and profit.
Put it this way. In artillery competitions (as occasionally arise in Russia), the amount of heating from the sun of the crate at the top of a pile can affect its shot placement.
Artillery fire is as fickle as sniper fire. Artillery can afford near misses, and is largely based upon it. Tank fire cannot to the same degree, and accuracy is more vital in that role, but the range is of course reduced. But minimising the large sources of error is more than desirable.
