Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Kampala-]

France could have won if it kept a large reserve. The original plan (Eschaut Plan) by Gamelin would have done this. The Germans might have taken Paris, but France would besiege them and cut off their supply.

Stalingrad in 1940.

Couldn't they have won if they attacked in the Phoney War, too? AFAIK the Westwall was incomplete.

The Allies would never attack, their entire plan hinged on utilising their grossly superior industrial capacities and economies to fix the Germans in France and Fortress Holland, and bleed them dry culminating in a mass offensive some years later.

[Spirit of Hope]

France could have won if it kept a large reserve. The original plan (Eschaut Plan) by Gamelin would have done this. The Germans might have taken Paris, but France would besiege them and cut off their supply.

Stalingrad in 1940.

Couldn't they have won if they attacked in the Phoney War, too? AFAIK the Westwall was incomplete.

Or if they had placed forces by the Ardennes Forest. They probably could have delayed the german forces for a sufficient time to allow the french to redeploy and/or mobilize more forces.

[Zeinbrad]

Okay, want to see how the Legion Armored Forces would handle against the GDF marines.

AMX-13 Vs M1 Abrams

AMX-30 Vs M1 Abrams.

Leclerc Vs M1 Abrams

AMX-10 Vs Styker.

ERC 90 Vs Styker.

VCBI Vs M2 Bradly.

VBC Vs M113.

[Krasny-Volny]

Okay, want to see how the Legion Armored Forces would handle against the GDF marines.

AMX-13 Vs M1 Abrams

AMX-30 Vs M1 Abrams.

Leclerc Vs M1 Abrams

AMX-10 Vs Styker.

ERC 90 Vs Styker.

VCBI Vs M2 Bradly.

VBC Vs M113.

Tank is newar better than her crewmen.

[Zeinbrad]

Okay, want to see how the Legion Armored Forces would handle against the GDF marines.

AMX-13 Vs M1 Abrams

AMX-30 Vs M1 Abrams.

Leclerc Vs M1 Abrams

AMX-10 Vs Styker.

ERC 90 Vs Styker.

VCBI Vs M2 Bradly.

VBC Vs M113.

Tank is newar better than her crewmen.

Well, the Legion is well-trained, but so are the GDF Marines.

The Marines are not fighting Middle Eastern tank crews.

[Oaledonia]

Tank is newar better than her crewmen.

Well, the Legion is well-trained, but so are the GDF Marines.

The Marines are not fighting Middle Eastern tank crews.

America wins in all except maybe AMX-56, maybe.

[Zeinbrad]

Well, the Legion is well-trained, but so are the GDF Marines.

The Marines are not fighting Middle Eastern tank crews.

America wins in all except maybe AMX-56, maybe.

I thought the Legion would be able to not get dominated by thee GDF.

Looks like I'm wrong. ;-;

[The Kievan People]

Organize them like how the French organized them.

The fucking owned the Germans. Many different times did the French and BEF (Kinda) almost broke the German advance in half with a number of highly effective counterattacks.

The French wanking is really getting out of hand. It is always good to shoot down the "surrender-monkeys" myth, but this going too far in the other direction. Fall Gelb was probably the most total defeat in French history and there is hardly anything redeeming about it. That the outcome was in no way ordained and the two sides were almost evenly matched on paper just shows how badly they f*cked up. That the British also lost epically is hardly a point in their favor, the British only lost their Army but the French lost everything.

[Krasny-Volny]

Tank is newar better than her crewmen.

Well, the Legion is well-trained, but so are the GDF Marines.

The Marines are not fighting Middle Eastern tank crews.

It would depend on the environment, of course, but overall I think Abrams beats out everything hands-down except Leclerc which is probably evenly matched with the latest upgrades. Stryker wins against everything but AMX-10, which has better fire control and - discounting the mobile gun system - heavier armament to boot.

[Zeinbrad]

Well, the Legion is well-trained, but so are the GDF Marines.

The Marines are not fighting Middle Eastern tank crews.

It would depend on the environment, of course, but overall I think Abrams beats out everything hands-down except Leclerc which is probably evenly matched with the latest upgrades. Stryker wins against everything but AMX-10, which has better fire control and - discounting the mobile gun system - heavier armament to boot.

Northern Europe is the environment.

[Krasny-Volny]

It would depend on the environment, of course, but overall I think Abrams beats out everything hands-down except Leclerc which is probably evenly matched with the latest upgrades. Stryker wins against everything but AMX-10, which has better fire control and - discounting the mobile gun system - heavier armament to boot.

Northern Europe is the environment.

Okay. Looks like my preliminary evaluation is good.

[Zeinbrad]

Northern Europe is the environment.

Okay. Looks like my preliminary evaluation is good.

.....

Legion, I thought you where suppose to be a threat.

;-;

[Black Hand]

quick question 105mm rifled, 120mm rifled, 0r 120mm smoothbore.
I'm finally going to once again attempt to design an small AFV family.

[The Akasha Colony]

quick question 105mm rifled, 120mm rifled, 0r 120mm smoothbore.
I'm finally going to once again attempt to design an small AFV family.

That depends what you want it to do. Often the question is simply a matter of what you already have on hand or have experience with. That's why the US has been reusing its 105 mm rifled stocks for vehicles like the Stryker MGS.

[Black Hand]

quick question 105mm rifled, 120mm rifled, 0r 120mm smoothbore.
I'm finally going to once again attempt to design an small AFV family.

That depends what you want it to do. Often the question is simply a matter of what you already have on hand or have experience with. That's why the US has been reusing its 105 mm rifled stocks for vehicles like the Stryker MGS.

Well the BHDC is going to completely replace it's entire line of Military vehicle from 200-2006 as the power armor break through in infantry warfare required enlarged vehicles. ( for those unfamiliar with C&C yes this is reasonable)
the previous MBT's in use were M60A3's so I figure it would be reasonable to retain that.
Previous APC/IFV was the BTR-80/90
I'd like to steal an idea from russia And possibly reuse the M60A3's as a BMPT inspired AFV
the only things I can sort of BS are power supplies I have infantry mobile 70Kw reactors by 2010 as standard so an electrically driven tank isn't unreasonable

[Krasny-Volny]

quick question 105mm rifled, 120mm rifled, 0r 120mm smoothbore.
I'm finally going to once again attempt to design an small AFV family.

If it's not an MBT, I'd recommend smoothbore.

Can launch ATGMs.

[Purpelia]

quick question 105mm rifled, 120mm rifled, 0r 120mm smoothbore.
I'm finally going to once again attempt to design an small AFV family.

If it's not an MBT, I'd recommend smoothbore.

Can launch ATGMs.

Rifled guns can do that as well.

[Renko]

Okay, let me roll in with this.
The model is still wip, but for now I'm happy with it enough to show it.

2M2 Medium / Heavy Medium Tank.
Designed to counter tanks like T-34 or other medium tanks that may apperar. Also urban warfare. Also everything else. Also safely deflect fire of basic infantry anti-tank guns.
Well, honestly, designed to look awesome first.
Now in numbers:
Engine: 500 HP, diesel.
Fuel reserve: 1140 liters = 630 km by roads / 490 km cross-country.
Trasmission: frontal, mechanical.
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, loader/gunner)
Armament: 70 mm 7S10 L/36 Gun + 7.88 mm 2V2 Machinegun in turret.
Ammo: 118 shells for gun + coupla thousand rounds for machinegun.
Mass: 30 tonnes (approximated).
Suspension type: vertical springs.
Length: 6440 mm
Width: 3000 mm
Hull height: 1625 mm, 2520 with turret.
Track width: 55 cm.

Armor:
Type: mostly rolled steel, welded.
Upper glacis: 50 mm / 66.5° / 125 mm normalized/effective
Lower frontal hull detail: Steel cast, detacheable, 50 mm.
Driver's compartment: 70 mm/up to 90 mm normalized.
Side: 50 mm.
Hull and turret top and bottom: 20 mm.
Aft: 30 mm, detacheable for engine repairs.
Turret: 50 mm.
Gun mantlet: 50 mm.

Possibly can be used as base for tank destroyers and self-propelled artillery.

Ask your question, if you think I forgot some of the numbers.

[San-Silvacian]

Okay, let me roll in with this.
The model is still wip, but for now I'm happy with it enough to show it.

(Image)

2M2 Medium / Heavy Medium Tank.
Designed to counter tanks like T-34 or other medium tanks that may apperar. Also urban warfare. Also everything else. Also safely deflect fire of basic infantry anti-tank guns.
Well, honestly, designed to look awesome first.
Now in numbers:
Engine: 500 HP, diesel.
Fuel reserve: 1140 liters = 630 km by roads / 490 km cross-country.
Trasmission: frontal, mechanical.
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, loader/gunner)
Armament: 70 mm 7S10 L/36 Gun + 7.88 mm 2V2 Machinegun in turret.
Ammo: 118 shells for gun + coupla thousand rounds for machinegun.
Mass: 30 tonnes (approximated).
Suspension type: vertical springs.
Length: 6440 mm
Width: 3000 mm
Hull height: 1625 mm, 2520 with turret.
Track width: 55 cm.

Armor:
Type: mostly rolled steel, welded.
Upper glacis: 50 mm / 66.5° / 125 mm normalized/effective
Lower frontal hull detail: Steel cast, detacheable, 50 mm.
Driver's compartment: 70 mm/up to 90 mm normalized.
Side: 50 mm.
Hull and turret top and bottom: 20 mm.
Aft: 30 mm, detacheable for engine repairs.
Turret: 50 mm.
Gun mantlet: 50 mm.

Possibly can be used as base for tank destroyers and self-propelled artillery.

Ask your question, if you think I forgot some of the numbers.

Tracks are screaming to be hit and knocked out.

Driver is going to be killed really quickly.

[Black Hand]

Okay, let me roll in with this.
The model is still wip, but for now I'm happy with it enough to show it.

(Image)

2M2 Medium / Heavy Medium Tank.
Designed to counter tanks like T-34 or other medium tanks that may apperar. Also urban warfare. Also everything else. Also safely deflect fire of basic infantry anti-tank guns.
Well, honestly, designed to look awesome first.
Now in numbers:
Engine: 500 HP, diesel.
Fuel reserve: 1140 liters = 630 km by roads / 490 km cross-country.
Trasmission: frontal, mechanical.
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, loader/gunner)
Armament: 70 mm 7S10 L/36 Gun + 7.88 mm 2V2 Machinegun in turret.
Ammo: 118 shells for gun + coupla thousand rounds for machinegun.
Mass: 30 tonnes (approximated).
Suspension type: vertical springs.
Length: 6440 mm
Width: 3000 mm
Hull height: 1625 mm, 2520 with turret.
Track width: 55 cm.

Armor:
Type: mostly rolled steel, welded.
Upper glacis: 50 mm / 66.5° / 125 mm normalized/effective
Lower frontal hull detail: Steel cast, detacheable, 50 mm.
Driver's compartment: 70 mm/up to 90 mm normalized.
Side: 50 mm.
Hull and turret top and bottom: 20 mm.
Aft: 30 mm, detacheable for engine repairs.
Turret: 50 mm.
Gun mantlet: 50 mm.

Possibly can be used as base for tank destroyers and self-propelled artillery.

Ask your question, if you think I forgot some of the numbers.

you should enjoy those 30 seconds where your tank still has tracks.

[Renko]

Well losing tracks is valid for every tank. Or is smth ultimately wrong with exactly these?
Also that's medium tank after all, not Assault Superheavy, it cannot have impenetrable armor so that driver isn't killed instantly. 90 mm isn't that bad.

[Premislyd]

Tank looks fine for a midwar medium.

[Black Hand]

Well losing tracks is valid for every tank. Or is smth ultimately wrong with exactly these?
Also that's medium tank after all, not Assault Superheavy, it cannot have impenetrable armor so that driver isn't killed instantly. 90 mm isn't that bad.

You have exposed the entirety of the tracks. hence made the tracks become the majority of the target.

[AlgoCape Isle]

AlgoCapes TD/LT

T55e13

Main armament: 165mmL60 Autoloaded Smoothbore Cannon 1800m/s common velocity
Secondary armament: 1x12.7x99 M3 FN Herstal
Tertiary armament: IR-shielding smoke and chaff grenades
Crew: 3
Length:
hull 6.86m
overall 10.36m
Width: 3.37
Height:
fixed 7.5m
overall 8.5m
Weight: 30t
Armour:
front 120mm eRh Ke
120mm eRh HEAT
overall 80mm eRh Ke
80mm eRh HEAT
crew 90mm eRh Ke
90mm eRh HEAT
Top speed:
theoretical 120km
road 85km
offroad 60-72km depending on conditions
Operational Range:
offroad 550km
onroad 1300km
Engine: Cat 3512 at 1500hp
Drivetrain: direct drive
Elevation: +10/-30
Suspension: pneumatic

Auto loader is 3 racks of horizontal tubes at 7 rounds each and 18 hull rounds reloads are externally completed
Two piece ammunition, 165x900mm each; includes charges
Penetration values at 2.7km
[spoiler]High Explosive Squash Head: 19.5kg Composition B

High Explosive Anti Tank: 2160mm eRh

Tungsten Kinetic Perpetrator: 1300 eRh

Canister shot

Open to suggestions and criticism.

[Immoren]

AlgoCapes TD/LT

T55e13

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Main armament: 165mmL60 Autoloaded Smoothbore Cannon 1800m/s common velocity
Secondary armament: 1x12.7x99 M3 FN Herstal
Tertiary armament: IR-shielding smoke and chaff grenades
Crew: 3
Length:
hull 6.86m
overall 10.36m
Width: 3.37
Height:
fixed 7.5m
overall 8.5m
Weight: 50t
Armour:
front 120mm eRh Ke
120mm eRh HEAT
overall 80mm eRh Ke
80mm eRh HEAT
crew 90mm eRh Ke
90mm eRh HEAT
Top speed:
theoretical 120km
road 85km
offroad 60-72km depending on conditions
Operational Range:
offroad 550km
onroad 1300km
Engine: Cat 3512 at 1500hp
Drivetrain: direct drive
Elevation: +10/-30
Suspension: pneumatic

Auto loader is 3 racks of horizontal tubes at 7 rounds each and 18 hull rounds reloads are externally completed
Two piece ammunition, 165x900mm each; includes charges
Penetration values at 2.7km
[spoiler]High Explosive Squash Head: 19.5kg Composition B
(Image)

High Explosive Anti Tank: 2160mm eRh
(Image)

Tungsten Kinetic Perpetrator: 1300 eRh
(Image)

Canister shot
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Open to suggestions and criticism.

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-Light tank
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