Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[San-Silvacian]

It's happening. They've had their run in Cooksland, now it's time for something better.

when you get owned by migs and your wheeled deeth trucks blow up (Or whatever other inferior tacked armored vehicle you use)

youll come back

[Registug]

I already have wheeled death trucks. CAFLAVs mate

2030 program requires heavier tracked IFVs. Puma is a candidate.

[Oaledonia]

I already have wheeled death trucks. CAFLAVs mate

2030 program requires heavier tracked IFVs. Puma is a candidate.

I will remove your wheeled death trucks with the 58th Armored, m8.
Ground witches go! go! go!

[Registug]

what do you people have against CAFLAVs

this is ALWAYS the reaction whenever I mention them!

[Oaledonia]

what do you people have against CAFLAVs

this is ALWAYS the reaction whenever I mention them!

What is? That my ground witches are going to wreck them?

[Registug]

"Oh your CAFLAVs, eh? My [insert national vehicle] will tear them to bits!"

They're LAV IIIs guys... chill...

[San-Silvacian]

I already have wheeled death trucks. CAFLAVs mate

2030 program requires heavier tracked IFVs. Puma is a candidate.

I will remove your wheeled death trucks with the 58th Armored, m8.
Ground witches go! go! go!

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

bmpt sun

wheeled death trucks!

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

God I hate the british with their pound system. It makes me want to make my own extra complicated system just to make things even more messy.

I thought we mostly used metric now, and it's p.much just the US who uses oz. lbs. fl.oz. and so on?

[Imperializt Russia]

Interesting indeed.
So how do "Racks" work that's different to having "Belt" autoloader?

In ammunition selection perhaps, the "Belt" will "cycle" till the intended ammunition is found then rammed to the chamber. The Claverham's system, the ammunition "elevator" will move up or down to the rack containing desired munition, then some sort of mechanism will push the munition to the elevator, then it'll move to gun line where rammer will ram the ammunition to the chamber.

I'm not certain I understand.
I'm very bad with verbal explanation :/

God I hate the british with their pound system. It makes me want to make my own extra complicated system just to make things even more messy.

I thought we mostly used metric now, and it's p.much just the US who uses oz. lbs. fl.oz. and so on?

The Pounder system is a metric for gun calibre.
It's based that a lead sphere of a certain diameter has a certain mass (from the days of cannon and shot) - a 6pdr gun is a 57mm piece, a 17pdr gun is a 76mm piece etc.

[New Vihenia]

I'm not certain I understand.
I'm very bad with verbal explanation :/

Sorry then.

Hmm maybe i should make a short animation on how those autoloader works.

[Purpelia]

It seems to offer far less flexibility though. If you want to chose rounds you are limited to a maximum of 4 types. And you are also limited in the ratios of munition types.

well then how many kinds of rounds a tank is expected to carry i wonder ? Today's tank i see so far have Kinetic kill (APFSDS), General Purpose either HEAT or HE and perhaps Canister and Guided munitions.. That's four kinds and i think those should cover everything a tank should do.

How about: APDS, HEAT-DP programmable, ATGM, Canister, Missiles, Illumination (Phosphorous) and maybe some funky loads like thermobaric. Really, though my modern tank only packs Missiles, HEAD-DP and APDS. The issue is the ratio limitation imposed by the sizes of each quarter rack. And of course PT tanks where HEAT had to be separate from HE and stuff.

[Crookfur]

In ammunition selection perhaps, the "Belt" will "cycle" till the intended ammunition is found then rammed to the chamber. The Claverham's system, the ammunition "elevator" will move up or down to the rack containing desired munition, then some sort of mechanism will push the munition to the elevator, then it'll move to gun line where rammer will ram the ammunition to the chamber.

I'm not certain I understand.
I'm very bad with verbal explanation :/

I thought we mostly used metric now, and it's p.much just the US who uses oz. lbs. fl.oz. and so on?

The Pounder system is a metric for gun calibre.
It's based that a lead sphere of a certain diameter has a certain mass (from the days of cannon and shot) - a 6pdr gun is a 57mm piece, a 17pdr gun is a 76mm piece etc.

well intially, by the mid 1800s that had been pretty much abandoned and it was the actual main service projectile weight that created the designation unless it was a calibre already in use. Also IIRC it was an Iron ball rather than a lead ball for cannon calibres.

[Rich and Corporations]

I still need to design a replacement for the M113

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIFV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_Mu ... se_Vehicle

there exists...

options

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm not certain I understand.
I'm very bad with verbal explanation :/
The Pounder system is a metric for gun calibre.
It's based that a lead sphere of a certain diameter has a certain mass (from the days of cannon and shot) - a 6pdr gun is a 57mm piece, a 17pdr gun is a 76mm piece etc.

well intially, by the mid 1800s that had been pretty much abandoned and it was the actual main service projectile weight that created the designation unless it was a calibre already in use. Also IIRC it was an Iron ball rather than a lead ball for cannon calibres.

Blahh, I can never remember these things :/

[Arcerion]

Welp, I did these quite some time ago, figured I may as well show off a bit.

The CV13 Legionnaire Chassis. Basically a do-anything sort of vehicle. produced by ARAMCOR (ARcerion ARms CORporation). I'll just post the base statistics, you folks can extrapolate or ask if you want specific variant stats.

Weight: 14,000kg
Length: 5.63 m
Width: 2.50 m
Height: 2.55 m
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver) + 10 passengers

Armour: 22m composite/ceramic blend, 4mm steel
Armament: Variant-specific

Engine: ARAMCOR Hyperion X300 6-cylinder diesel (260hp)
Suspension: 6x6 wheel
Operational Range: 1,250km
Speed: ~96km/h (factory rating)

Time for some pretty pictures. Below are all variants.

XV13 Chassis - The base chassis for development
CV13 APC - Armoured personnel carrier. Most fielded variant.
CV13 AMB - Medical and evacuation variant for frontline EMS needs.
CV13 FRV - Recce vehicle, personal favourite of mine. Also sees use as an electronic warfare vehicle.
CV13 MADS - Air Defense platform, used in conjunction with another wheeled radar fire-direction radar.
CV13 CEV - For getting your engineers around and helping them build. Combat Engineering Vehicle.
CV13 TD1 - The first tank destroyer variant, missile-based. Limited use with regular forces, fielded with some reserve units after TD2 was released.
CV13 TD2 - The bigger, sexier, and sleeker gun-based tank destroyer platform of the Legionnaire.
CV13 TD2A - The final production variant for the tank destroyer line. Mounts a 90mm HVAP gun, as well as more electronics to allow for firing whilst moving, IRV/THERM viewing, etc.
CV13 IFV - This one is fairly self-explanatory. 30mm autocannon.
CV13 CMD - For getting your desk and staff officers around and protected. Command vehicle is probably the most ELINT-packed systems vehicle aside from the CV13 FRV.
CV13 MC - Mortar carrier. Variants in use as an artillery tractor and ammunition hauler based off the MC variant.

There you ladies and gentlemen have it. My main armoured fighting vehicle. Now if only I could design a tank worth a damn.

[Imperializt Russia]

You haven't listed a weight, and 260hp sounds a little on the low side.
1250km is a highly optimistic range, and to be honest fitting ten dismounts in a five and a half metre 6x6 vehicle is too.

Would you be able to go into some detail on your armour?
22mm ceramic/composite blend and a 4mm steel segment?

[Arcerion]

You haven't listed a weight, and 260hp sounds a little on the low side.
1250km is a highly optimistic range, and to be honest fitting ten dismounts in a five and a half metre 6x6 vehicle is too.

Would you be able to go into some detail on your armour?
22mm ceramic/composite blend and a 4mm steel segment?

Woops forgot the weight. One moment.

I'll dial back the dismounts to eight.

As for the armour, the outer plating is steel, and underneath is the ceramic/composite blend. I just use that as a placeholder, but since I know very little on such armour types and from the research I have done I see it on a lot of AFVs. So I don't know the exact chemical compound, etc. This is augmented by the act that most vehicle have slat armour, which can help in some cases.

[Tule]

Rubber tracks.

Bad Idea? Good Idea? Pro's and Con's?

How do they compare to road wheels and metal tracks?

[Imperializt Russia]

Rubber tracks wear through road use for obvious reason, but in doing so reduce wear upon the road. Excellent for long-distance movement under a vehicle's own power, especially if you want to use that road as a major transportation and supplies route.

Pretty sure they have a disadvantage off-road, but can't remember what it is and it's probably relatively slight.

[The Akasha Colony]

Rubber tracks.

Bad Idea? Good Idea? Pro's and Con's?

How do they compare to road wheels and metal tracks?

Bad idea in most cases. They wear a lot faster, although AFAIK they're a bit quieter. But you can get a lot of the same advantages by just using rubber-padded metal tracks and road wheels, which is what modern tracked AFVs do, but with much better track life and the ability to replace individual links rather than the entire belt.

[Purpelia]

Would it be a good idea to add rubber padding to both sides of my tacks so as to reduce the sound of the tracks rolling around on the return wheels?

[Imperializt Russia]

Rubber tracks.

Bad Idea? Good Idea? Pro's and Con's?

How do they compare to road wheels and metal tracks?

Bad idea in most cases. They wear a lot faster, although AFAIK they're a bit quieter. But you can get a lot of the same advantages by just using rubber-padded metal tracks and road wheels, which is what modern tracked AFVs do, but with much better track life and the ability to replace individual links rather than the entire belt.

Oh, I thought that was what we were talking about for "rubber tracks".

[The Akasha Colony]

Would it be a good idea to add rubber padding to both sides of my tacks so as to reduce the sound of the tracks rolling around on the return wheels?

Why not simply rubberize the return rollers? Adding more rubber to the track increases the size and weight of the tracks (which are already not a light component of a modern tank), and increases the number of components which must be changed (now the interior pads must be changed as well as the exterior pads).

Oh, I thought that was what we were talking about for "rubber tracks".

Well, when I saw "rubber tracks" rather than "rubber padded tracks" I presumed it was regarding band tracks.

[Purpelia]

Why not simply rubberize the return rollers? Adding more rubber to the track increases the size and weight of the tracks (which are already not a light component of a modern tank), and increases the number of components which must be changed (now the interior pads must be changed as well as the exterior pads).

That's fine and well and all that. But say you were crazy. Say you wanted to not have return rollers but use skids like those on WW2 British tanks...

[The Akasha Colony]

That's fine and well and all that. But say you were crazy. Say you wanted to not have return rollers but use skids like those on WW2 British tanks...

You mean like on a Christie suspension? In that case it's already resting on the (rubberized) road wheels for the return.