Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Rich and Corporations]

o.O

Did... did you just miss the point of what I was saying? Guns can be of variable length depending on what is aimed to be achieved.

Rapidity of fire is meaningless if 15x 45mm rounds equals the penetrative/spallation capabilities of 2x 60mm rounds.

I'm simply arguing that a 30/75mm combination isn't something I need.

O K

[Imperializt Russia]

That rather depends on whether or not 2 60mm rounds do correspond to the effects of fifteen 45mm rounds.
Now, what was that about "not binary"?

[Rich and Corporations]

That rather depends on whether or not 2 60mm rounds do correspond to the effects of fifteen 45mm rounds.
Now, what was that about "not binary"?

I can't help but feel I'm being trolled.

You see, I'm talking about the amount of mass that penetrates which tends to average out per round after a large number of rounds are expended.

[Registug]

The last page was the most coherent thing I've ever read from R&C

now I'm back to wondering what the hell you're trying to say again

[Vetok]

When the Force 2016 reform was adopted, the Army found itself in a quandary. According to the proposals for Force 2016, each new Combat Brigade would be composed of armoured and motorised battalions, each respectively focusing on either tracked or wheeled vehicles. While the latter was no problem due to the copious amounts of Kudu and Bumalyd APC's, the lack of a tracked chassis posed a major problem in constructing organic infantry support for the armoured units. With a mass reorganisation leaving the only small reconnaissance vehicles in the Army assigned to Paraborne and motorised units, and following on from the success of the 'Rival' MBT, it was decided to build an indigenous ARV for use as part of long-range scout units that could also disrupt the enemy's operations behind the front line.

The specifications were somewhat luxuriant, with the original design possessing the same Ironclad APS as the 'Rival', attachment points for ERA and slat armour, conformal fuel cells and an ATGM capability. The original prototype proved to be overweight, overly complex, and so noticeable as to provide a focal fire point in wargames. A new design team, fresh from working on modifications to licensed local-manufacture 'Kudu' APC's, was brought in with the task of getting the project back on course for its original budget and timeframe. Under the new team, the prototype was dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up. Bearing in mind the stated purpose of the vehicle, it was decided that it would be constructed from simple welded steel, while the 191RX V12 engine placed into the original prototype in an effort to get it moving at a satisfactory pace was left in, allowing it to produce a truly momentous turn of speed and thus working to the 'speed is life' maxim the team adopted.

Armament was also reduced to the barebones, with a 40mm cannon selected since it allowed the crew to take on any vehicle of a similar weight without falsely encouraging them to take on tougher targets. Due to the size of the vehicle and the relatively average-sized ammunition supply, it was also decided to fit two seats in the back of the vehicle, allowing it to either recover stranded personnel or insert two man scout teams for close-in observation. With one final addition of the 'Bastion' battlefield software system, allowing it to locate and assign coordinates of enemy forces to friendly units, the VT-1440 'Brigand' was the result. Projected construction currently stands at one-hundred and twenty vehicles starting in 2015 and ending in 2020. While anticipated by recce personnel, some soldiers from the Brigand's evaluation tests have pointed out a number of flaws with the vehicle, such as a high profile, almost non-existent depression/elevation for the main gun, and wasted space inside the vehicle.

Height: 3.1 metres
Length: 6.86 metres
Width: 2.5 metres
Weight: 27 tonnes
Crew: 3x (Commander, Driver, Gunner) + 2x passengers
Engine: 191RX V12 1200hp multi-fuel engine
Armour: Welded steel, 25mm all-round with the exception of the rear at 20mm.
Main Armament: 1x 40mm cannon
Ammunition: 150x rounds
Secondary Armament: 1x 7.92mm machinegun
Ammunition: 600x rounds
Unit Price: 8 million standard dollars

[Tescon]

The... the war's over, didn't anybody tell you?

Well the treaty was during WWII but we still use their tanks as the Tesconian Military Information Division had seen German tanks to be a good choice of tank.Plus after the Cold War German and Netherland had too much Leopard 2 so we bought off from them.

[Chedastan]

Here's the redo of my PMT/FT tank, the one that had a quad-track.

[San-Silvacian]

So I'm wondering between the manual or autoloaded fields for my self-propelled artillery.

I think autoloaded would be good so I don't have a crew to hate life, but manual is also good so you can fire faster when you need to.

Bear in mind that even PzH 2000 doesn't have a fully automatic loading system. A semi-automatic autoloader might actually be a good idea.

Thats what I was thinking, the M109 has a rammer than seats the shell, however you have to push the bitch in a little before you seat the rammer.

Though that isn't much in the way of automation, though it makes a pretty good idea in my mind.

It'll take a few hours, but I'll get back with an idea.

[Riysa]

Oh, my sides.

Edit: I fact, all of your post made my sides hurt.

The Flakpanzer is outdated so we just use it to move a small missile system(unlicensed copy) with it, due to sanctions we cant import weapons, so its cheaper to make upgrade or replace damaged parts with domestically produced parts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS

What do you need a 175mm for? IMO that's getting into the realm of too big to be practical for a modern MBT, unless that's an artillery or engineering vehicle gun.

Yeah the 175mm is for the artlillery, also the Flakpanzer is preety much only used to move a unlicensed copy of this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS

If its a SAM system, its a SAM system; Flakpanzer translates to "armored anti-aircraft gun vehicle." Much confusion will arise from this

[The Kievan People]

Critique for the Best German T-72 please?

Kampfpanzer 72 Ausführung G (KPz 72G)

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 40mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 7.62mm AP
• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Front Hull: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS
• Hull Rear: 7.62mm AP

He's doing it right!

<3

[Questers]

Yeah, whose stat block is it? I think it's time that I converted to protection against.

[Novislavia]

Adding an autoloader to a T-55M means one less crew member, right?

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

Eh. I'd remark that the statblock is a butchered derivative of Wikipedia's stat-sideboxes in tank articles, with some overlooked details thrown in here and there.

Repost; sensors section added, among other things.

Kampfpanzer 72 Ausführung G (KPz 72G)

Type: Main Battle Tank
Unit Cost: $4,000,000 NSD
Variants: KPz 72G(K), KPz 72GM, KPz 72GM(K)

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Weight: 47.5 tonnes
Length:

• Hull: 6.91 m
• Gun-Forward: 9.53 m

Width:

• Tracks: 3.48 m
• Sideskirts: 3.68 m

Height:

• Turret Roof: 2.19 m
• RWS: 2.54 m

Crew: 3

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Armor: Steel and Composite (Steel-Rubber-Titanium with Air Gap)

• Appliqué: Slat, Steel, Composite, ERA, and NERA

Protection:

• Turret Front: 120mm APFSDS, 140mm HEAT
• Turret Side: 40mm APFSDS, 75mm HEAT
• Turret Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Turret Rear: 12.7mm AP

• Glacis: 105mm APFSDS, 120mm HEAT
• Lower Hull Front: 75mm APFSDS, 90mm HEAT
• Hull Side: 30mm APFSDS, 60mm HEAT
• Hull Top: 12.7mm AP, 155mm HE Shrapnel
• Hull Rear: 12.7mm AP

• Bottom: 8 kg TNT

Soft Countermeasures:

• Engine Exhaust Smoke Generator
• Electro-Optical Countermeasures Defensive Aids Suite
  • 2 x 8 Smoke Dischargers
  • 2 x Infrared Dazzlers
• Multispectral Camouflage Net

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Main Armament: 125mm KwK 90 L/48 Smoothbore Gun with GLATGM Capability

• Rate of Fire: 8 rpm
• Traverse: 360°
• Traverse Rate: 40°/s
• Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
• Elevation Rate: 10°/s
• Ammunition Stowage
  • Carousel: 22 Rounds, Ready
  • Bustle with Blowoff Panels: 18 Rounds, Reserve

Secondary Armament:

• 7.62mm PKT Coaxial Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 40°/s
  • Elevation: +14° to -6° (+26° to -10° with Assistance of Suspension)
  • Elevation Rate: 10°/s
  • Ammunition: 2,000 Rounds
• 12.7mm NSVT Remote Weapon Station Machinegun
  • Traverse: 360°
  • Traverse Rate: 60°/s
  • Elevation: +60° to -5°
  • Elevation Rate: 30°/s
  • Ammunition: 400 Rounds

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Sensors:

• Gunner's Primary Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x, 24x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Gunner's Secondary Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Vertical Axis
• Commander's Independent Panoramic Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x Variable Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x, 3x, 6x, 12x Variable Magnification
  • Rangefinder: Nd:YAG Laser
  • Stabilization: Dual Axis
• Driver's Sight
  • Optical Channel: 1x Magnification
  • Thermal Channel: 1x Magnification
• Gunnery Aids
  • Muzzle Reference Sensor
  • Crosswind Sensor
• Others
  • Commander: Periscopes with 360° Coverage
  • Driver: Vision Ports with 180° Coverage, Rearview Camera, and Inertial Navigation System

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Auxiliary Power Unit: 10 kW Air Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Engine: 1,400 hp Liquid Cooled 2-Stroke Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power/Weight Ratio: 29.47 hp/ton
Transmission: Semi-Automatic (5 Forward, 2 Reverse Gears)
Suspension: Hybrid

• Hydropneumatic: Roadwheels 1, 2, and 6
• Torsion Bar: Roadwheels 3, 4, and 5

Ground Clearance: 0.49 m
Fuel Capacity: 1,200 L
Operational Range: 500 km

• with 2 x 200 L Fuel Drums: 670 km

Speed:

• Road: 70 km/h (Governed)
• Reverse: 35 km/h
• Cross-Country: 45 km/h (Average)

Acceleration: 0 to 32km/h in 7s

[The Kievan People]

I can't help but feel I'm being trolled.

You see, I'm talking about the amount of mass that penetrates which tends to average out per round after a large number of rounds are expended.

This is nonsense. Behind armor effects are not a function of the mass of the penetrator, you don't get twice the spall because the round weighs twice as much. And you certainly don't get twice the spall angle.

The number of penetrations is the single most important factor in kinetic behind armor effects because it determines the chance that a penetrator will directly strike something vital. This is the most reliable way to produce a kill. Spall, by comparison, is very inconsistent. Sometimes the effects of spall are catastrophic. But other times it fails to cause any significant damage. The actual distribution/size/energy of spall fragments produced by real penetrations is almost certainly nowhere near as neat as the usual generalization of a "cone of death" implies.

[Questers]

It's a great tank (cant comment on the engine though) and a great statblock.

[Rich and Corporations]

The last page was the most coherent thing I've ever read from R&C

now I'm back to wondering what the hell you're trying to say again

i have my lucid moments

[The Soodean Imperium]

Adding an autoloader to a T-55M means one less crew member, right?

Yes; but chances are it will also mean a thorough re-design of the interior, unless you're using a bustle autoloader.

[Novislavia]

Adding an autoloader to a T-55M means one less crew member, right?

Yes; but chances are it will also mean a thorough re-design of the interior, unless you're using a bustle autoloader.

I'm also replacing the gun with a 2A46M, so I image I'd have to do that anyway.

[Rich and Corporations]

Yes; but chances are it will also mean a thorough re-design of the interior, unless you're using a bustle autoloader.

I'm also replacing the gun with a 2A46M, so I image I'd have to do that anyway.

this isn't a T-55.
You have to replace the turret.

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/jay-leno/4206704
This is somewhatrel evant.

A few years ago, I bought an M-47 Patton tank-engine car. Any way you look at it, this thing is a monster. Its wheelbase is more than 15 ft. The engine is a 30-liter V12 -- each of those 12 cylinders is bigger than a four-cylinder Toyota engine -- and it had between 800 and 900 hp. But given that the car weighs 10,000 pounds and that I live in a hilly area, the Patton's engine performance was, to quote the old Rolls-Royce ads, "adequate."

The car needed more oomph to get up those hills. Besides, gas mileage wasn't too good, either. The engine was fed by two huge Stromberg carburetors with needle jets that looked like arrowheads. And the carbs weren't efficient. If I didn't shut down the car when I was at a filling station, the idling engine sucked gas out of the tank faster than I could pump it in.

I decided to up the performance and the fuel economy. So I turned to my friend, high-performance tuner Gale Banks. "Why don't you turbocharge this thing," he asked, "and put fuel injection on it?" I gave him the engine, and turned him and his crew loose.

Unlike, say, a small-block Chevy, there's not a lot of bolt-on speed equipment out there for a tank engine. In fact, there's none. So Banks had to engineer a system and modify components to fit it. He also had to fabricate what didn't exist. His shop spent over 1500 hours on this project.

....

Meanwhile, people ask if having almost 1600 hp is changing my driving habits. I don't think about all that power. I just know that now I've got enough oomph to get over those hills -- and I'm saving gas while I'm doing it.

[Ea90]

o.O

Did... did you just miss the point of what I was saying? Guns can be of variable length depending on what is aimed to be achieved.

Rapidity of fire is meaningless if 15x 45mm rounds equals the penetrative/spallation capabilities of 2x 60mm rounds.

I'm simply arguing that a 30/75mm combination isn't something I need.

O K

This is probably the least :rnc: thing you've ever posted.

[Kouralia]

Sorry, what was the name of that advanced 105mm gun that was posted, and would it be possible to fit that 105mm gun on a Mk11?

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

'Improved Weapon System'.

[Ea90]

Sorry, what was the name of that advanced 105mm gun that was posted, and would it be possible to fit that 105mm gun on a Mk11?

IWS, and I don't see why not.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Sorry, what was the name of that advanced 105mm gun that was posted, and would it be possible to fit that 105mm gun on a Mk11?

IWS, and I don't see why not.

I do. Recoil force.
IWS was very much not made for a platform that light.

But it's irrelevant, because there is zero point in mounting IWS on such a light vehicle. You won't get any benefit out of the new rounds for it, because you couldn't fire them due to the forces involved. So you'd be firing regular ammo for the L7. At that point a RM 105-20 would be better, as it does the same stuff, and weighs less. Or you could just re-use old L7s.

[Kouralia]

IWS, and I don't see why not.

I do. Recoil force.
IWS was very much not made for a platform that light.

But it's irrelevant, because there is zero point in mounting IWS on such a light vehicle. You won't get any benefit out of the new rounds for it, because you couldn't fire them due to the forces involved. So you'd be firing regular ammo for the L7. At that point a RM 105-20 would be better, as it does the same stuff, and weighs less. Or you could just re-use old L7s.

RM 105-20? I'm searching Army Guide for that name and can't find anything... D:

Is it linked to the Rh-105-60?