Watch their heads. A few glance back, and whatnot. I think it's probably some staged event.
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by Daemyrs » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:41 pm
Jedi8246 wrote:It suddenly occurs to me. If the Necron are all made of metal, wouldnt a giant magnet fuck their entire army?
by Purpelia » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:43 pm
Arkandros wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
I would go far enough to say that most here use autoloaders, which are essentially mandatory for guns larger than 125 mm, and even those are generally autoloaded, since they're usually Soviet tank clones of some stripe.
okay, so autoloader is pretty much a must. any advice on the mag-fed guns? the T57 never saw mass production, but its mag fed gun could still be feasible, right?
EDIT: I said earlier that the T57 had a autoloader. It does, but it was also mag fed. Meant to mention that.
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by The Akasha Colony » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:47 pm
Arkandros wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
I would go far enough to say that most here use autoloaders, which are essentially mandatory for guns larger than 125 mm, and even those are generally autoloaded, since they're usually Soviet tank clones of some stripe.
okay, so autoloader is pretty much a must. any advice on the mag-fed guns? the T57 never saw mass production, but its mag fed gun could still be feasible, right?
EDIT: I said earlier that the T57 had a autoloader. It does, but it was also mag fed. Meant to mention that.
by United States of PA » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:51 pm
Purpelia wrote:Arkandros wrote:okay, so autoloader is pretty much a must. any advice on the mag-fed guns? the T57 never saw mass production, but its mag fed gun could still be feasible, right?
EDIT: I said earlier that the T57 had a autoloader. It does, but it was also mag fed. Meant to mention that.
Mind giving us some info on the T57 in question?
Also, given that it's obscure enough that even Wikipedia does not have a page on it I am going to suggest deferring to rule #1.Purpelia wrote:When looking at Wikipedia for fun stuff to use look at things that were a success. Not at things that were abandoned.
by Connori Pilgrims » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:54 pm
Purpelia wrote:Arkandros wrote:okay, so autoloader is pretty much a must. any advice on the mag-fed guns? the T57 never saw mass production, but its mag fed gun could still be feasible, right?
EDIT: I said earlier that the T57 had a autoloader. It does, but it was also mag fed. Meant to mention that.
Mind giving us some info on the T57 in question?
Also, given that it's obscure enough that even Wikipedia does not have a page on it I am going to suggest deferring to rule #1.Purpelia wrote:When looking at Wikipedia for fun stuff to use look at things that were a success. Not at things that were abandoned.
by Arkandros » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:58 pm
Purpelia wrote:Arkandros wrote:okay, so autoloader is pretty much a must. any advice on the mag-fed guns? the T57 never saw mass production, but its mag fed gun could still be feasible, right?
EDIT: I said earlier that the T57 had a autoloader. It does, but it was also mag fed. Meant to mention that.
Mind giving us some info on the T57 in question?
Also, given that it's obscure enough that even Wikipedia does not have a page on it I am going to suggest deferring to rule #1.Purpelia wrote:When looking at Wikipedia for fun stuff to use look at things that were a success. Not at things that were abandoned.
by Imperializt Russia » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:59 pm
The Soodean Imperium wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:Per Regiment seems low.
It's a lightweight fire support vehicle. 10 per Battalion even sounds low.
For an Army unit, I thought so. But I'm basing the ORBATs for the Soodean Airborne forces off the Soviet VDV, which (despite being surprisingly mechanized for a parachute force) only had six anti-tank guns and nine ATGM vehicles at the Regiment level. If I'm doing my math correctly, issuing more than 10 Sprut-SDs per Battalion would give each of my Airborne Regiments more Sprut-SDs than the entire Russian military currently has in service.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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by Connori Pilgrims » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:09 pm
Arkandros wrote:Purpelia wrote:Mind giving us some info on the T57 in question?
Also, given that it's obscure enough that even Wikipedia does not have a page on it I am going to suggest deferring to rule #1.
it IS rather obscure. i read about it in a book about armored history, warfare, and tactics. Most of what I have found in terms of pictures is from world of tanks (apparently a game?) It was a post-WWII prototype based on the M48 Patton. Couldn't find anything on the Patton wiki, so i'll drop it. For those of you who care, there were only 3 manufactured prototypes: the T57 (standard turret, autoloader) T57E1 (oscillating turret, autoloader) and T57E2 (standard turret, hand load, basically a "modernized" Patton). It was abandoned when the autoloader performed poorer than expected (based on cost) in relation to the hand loaded version.
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Parhe wrote:Guess what, maybe you don't know what it is like to be Asian.
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by New Vihenia » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:47 pm
Anemos Major wrote:Japanese postwar tank development is fairly simple. Not overly exciting, if not quite obscure.
1940s - get a few Shermans and Chaffees from the Americans. Shermans are unpopular because they're too big for the Japanese crews, and the Chaffees are popular because they're small enough.
1950s - During the later 50s, after the SDF were officially formed, the Japanese begin to look at restarting domestic tank development - this leads to the STA- prototypes and eventually the Type 61.
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Fig. A - the STA-1 prototype.
1960s - By the time the Type 61 came into service (alongside a few US-provided M41s), the Japanese knew that the tank was outdated, so they kicked off another tank design project. Eventually this became the STB tank development cycle, with a partially domestically designed gun (they got lazy with the barrel) and an otherwise fully domestic hull, drivetrain, turret and so on, culminating in the Type 74.
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Fig. B - the STB-1 prototype.
1970s - Same as before - by the time the Type 74 is put into production, the relatively widely observed Arab-Israeli Wars in 1967 (Six-Day War) and 1973 (Yom Kippur) convince JGSDF brass that the Type 74's obsolescence is imminent, and in 1975 they commence the development cycle for the next Japanese main battle tank (seeing a pattern here?).
1980s - The Type 90 was probably originally slated for delivery by 1988-89, but developmental delays mean that they've only managed to complete four prototype vehicles by '88. The delays stem primarily from the fact that the Japanese (either through Japan Steel Works or Daikin) were trying to manufacture their own main armament for the new tank, designated TK-X at that point - they eventually decide to license a gun from Rheinmetall and the tank is put into service as the Type 90.
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Fig. C - one of the TK-X prototypes.
1990s - The Cold War ends, which puts the JGSDF into a bit of disarray - during the earlier half of this decade, most developmental efforts on the ground warfare side are put on temporary hold as the SDF are reshuffled. A proposal is made to bring the Type 74 up to 'modern' standards between 1993-1994 (the Type 74 [G]), but the project ends up costing a ridiculous amount and is duly shelved, with the testbed vehicles being sent to the Fuji School. Nobody knows what the next threat is, so a bit of downsizing occurs but there're no major changes in terms of force configuration. Somewhere between 1990-2000 (most likely), Daikin tests a 135mm gun that reputedly manages to achieve 2000m/s muzzle velocity during testing with an APFSDS round using a solid propellant, but this is a bit of a temporary 'blip' in Japanese tank development. In 1996, research is begun in earnest into 'future armaments and propellants' and 'future vehicular technology', with the actual prototyping and testing of the Type 10 beginning in 2002 - the need for which was driven by two issues with the Type 90 - its weight, and its internal layout (which precluded the installation of the C4I technology the Japanese wanted unless modified at great cost - after the Type 74 [G]'s dismal failure, the Japanese have learned their lesson).
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Fig. D - one of TRDI's conceptual images of the 'new' TK-X.
2000s - The Type 10 (next TK-X) is being developed during this period. Aside from that, TRDI put quite a lot of effort into developing 'lightweight' (which is the buzzword of the time) and 'multirole' armoured vehicles, with odd projects like the MCV popping up here and there. Since the fruits of the latter exercise are still being borne, nothing can be said for sure, but the GSDF's eventual objective appears to be the introduction of a multirole family of 8x8 vehicles based on a modified Type 96 hull (amongst other things - there're other requirements, like the 155mm wheeled howitzers and the like), with technology like a lightweight 105mm gun (as currently used on the MCV) and a 40mm CTA autocannon developed and tested during this period.
2010s - Type 10 enters service, the Japanese announce a series of defence development partnerships with European nations, MCV is publicly displayed in 2013, the aforementioned projects are still in progress. The tank force has been reduced fairly considerably in favour of the MCV - for Japan, wheels mean less maintenance for both the military and the roads they drive on, not to mention simpler strategic mobility in both Honshu and, more importantly, Kyushu (not to mention from landing ships of some sort), so I'd take a bit of a guess here and suggest that, if the next ten years don't hold too many surprises (which is something that I can hardly guarantee), the GSDF aren't going to be adopting a new tank anytime soon.
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Fig. E - the 40mm CTA cannon, as tested by TRDI.
There's your brief rundown.
by Anemos Major » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:31 am
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by Stahn » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:14 am
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Rooibok
- Permanent 4X4 drive
- Commercially available components
- Extensive service network
- High mobility on and off road
General
Cooling System: Air/water radiator with air to air charge cooling
Max. Road Speed: 93 km/h
Shock Absorbers: "Double acting hydraulic telescope" design
Fuel Capacity: 142 litres tank, 15 litres additional storage
Operating Range (Road): 400 km
Operating Range (Off-Road): 240km
Weight: 7.5 tonnes
Fording Depth: 1.52m
Ground Clearance: 330mm
Crew: 3 (gunner, commander, driver)
Main Gun: 90mm low-pressure, soft-recoil
Secondary Armament: 7.62mm GPMG co-axial
Smoke Grenade Launchers: 4
Stored ammunition: 25 HEAT or HE rounds; 1,000 MG ammunition
Armour: 8-16mm all-welded steel
Can stop 7.62mm rounds point blank at every angle
Can stop 14.5mm rounds at 1000 metres horizontal attack to frontal arc
Engine
Model: Perkins T6-3544 Diesel Turbocharged
Max. Power (Gross): 115.6kW (155 bhp)@2600 rev/min
Max. Torque (Gross): 498Nm (367 lbf ft)@1700 rev/min
Transmission
Gearbox: Automatic
Brakes: Caliper disc type
Wheels
Type: 11 X 20 radial ply run flat
Track Width: 1.89m
Wheel Base: 2.72m
Drive: 4 X 4 Wheeled
Steering: Power assisted, recirculating ball
The Rooibok armoured car was introduced in 1974 to replace the ageing Daimler Dingo. It incorporates several distinct elements from that vehicle and was intended for reconnaissance, liaison, border patrols, internal security, and COIN. Rooibok is diesel powered, with an automatic transmission. Extremely lightweight, it also offers a low silhouette for concealment purposes. Rooibok is fully air portable and can be dropped via parachute. The armoured car can negotiate gradients with the wide range of low gears available on the epicyclic gearbox and its superior turning circle gives its exceptional manoeuverability.
In 1970, the Lydenburg Defence Force issued a requirement for a new intelligence/scout vehicle. Several local firms fabricated prototypes for competitive evaluation and in January 1972 Temple Development's Rooibok was selected, although at this time the vehicle was already poised to enter production for neighbouring Kalumba. Exact number of vehicles acquired by the LDF is still uncertain but the first order was for about 400 completed by early 1974. 1 Armoured Division's reconnaissance battalion was the first recipient and maintains two basic versions, Rooibok-90 armed with a 90mm antitank gun and 7.62mm MG, and Rooibok-60 - armed with a 60mm breech loaded mortar, one 7.62mm, and one 12.7mm MG. Apart from different armament options the only variant is a specialist NBC model with raised roof, air conditioning system, and a wide range of portable NBC monitoring equipment.
Temple now offers a modernisation kit encompassing new exhaust, improved battery stowage, passive night vision, power steering, laser rangefinder, and upgraded weapons. For the Rooibok-90 turret, the 90mm gun can be modified at request to fire Lydenburger APFSDS rounds with a muzzle velocity of 1,350m/s.
by Premislyd » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:14 am
Pimps Inc wrote:Swastikas are not allowed in nationstates unless your are RPing as Nazi Germany or sumthing
by Anemos Major » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:18 am
Premislyd wrote:(Image)
Name: VCI-25 (25 Вейицле д'Цомбате да Инфантера tr. Vejicle d'Combate da Infatera 25 [Infantry Combat Vehicle 0025])
Type: Infantry Fighting Vehicle
Place of origin: Democratic Irkutia
In service: 1967-Present
Designer: Kamcharagk Design Bureau
Manufacturer: TVZ
Produced: 1966 - Present
Weight: 16.8 tonnes
Length: 7.6 m
Width: 3.2 m
Height: 2.56 m
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, gunner) + 10 passengers
Protection: 25 mm (front); 14.5 mm (sides); 10 mm (rear)
Main armament: 25 mm M5CA8 autocannon (600 rounds); M4CT6 anti-tank missile (M5CT7 on Modernised version)
Secondary armament: 7.8 mm coaxial GPMG
Engine: KVP-27 diesel 400 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: Torsion
Ground clearance: 34 cm
Fuel capacity: 600 L
Speed: 60 km/h (road); 39 km/h (cross country)(Image)
Name: TPA-50 (50 Транспорта д'Персонал д'Арме tr. 50 Transporta d'Personal d'Arme [Armed Personnel Transport 0050])
Type: Armored Personnel Carrier
Place of origin: Democratic Irkutia
In service: 1971 - Present
Designer: Inner Circassia Design Bureau
Manufacturer: Tashra Machine Works
Produced: 1970 - Present
Weight: 14.1 tonnes
Length: 7.6 m
Width: 2.8 m
Height: 2.7 m
Crew: 2 + 14 passengers
Protection: 15 mm (front); 10 mm (sides); 8 mm (rear)
Main armament: 25 mm M5CA8 autocannon (600 rounds); M4CT6 anti-tank missile (M5CT7 on Modernised version)
Secondary armament: 7.8 mm coaxial GPMG
Engine: KVP-27 diesel 400 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: 8x8
Ground clearance: 34 cm
Fuel capacity: 700 L
Speed: 75 km/h (road); 47 km/h (cross country)
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by Premislyd » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:22 am
Anemos Major wrote:Premislyd wrote:(Image)
Name: VCI-25 (25 Вейицле д'Цомбате да Инфантера tr. Vejicle d'Combate da Infatera 25 [Infantry Combat Vehicle 0025])
Type: Infantry Fighting Vehicle
Place of origin: Democratic Irkutia
In service: 1967-Present
Designer: Kamcharagk Design Bureau
Manufacturer: TVZ
Produced: 1966 - Present
Weight: 16.8 tonnes
Length: 7.6 m
Width: 3.2 m
Height: 2.56 m
Crew: 3 (commander, driver, gunner) + 10 passengers
Protection: 25 mm (front); 14.5 mm (sides); 10 mm (rear)
Main armament: 25 mm M5CA8 autocannon (600 rounds); M4CT6 anti-tank missile (M5CT7 on Modernised version)
Secondary armament: 7.8 mm coaxial GPMG
Engine: KVP-27 diesel 400 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: Torsion
Ground clearance: 34 cm
Fuel capacity: 600 L
Speed: 60 km/h (road); 39 km/h (cross country)(Image)
Name: TPA-50 (50 Транспорта д'Персонал д'Арме tr. 50 Transporta d'Personal d'Arme [Armed Personnel Transport 0050])
Type: Armored Personnel Carrier
Place of origin: Democratic Irkutia
In service: 1971 - Present
Designer: Inner Circassia Design Bureau
Manufacturer: Tashra Machine Works
Produced: 1970 - Present
Weight: 14.1 tonnes
Length: 7.6 m
Width: 2.8 m
Height: 2.7 m
Crew: 2 + 14 passengers
Protection: 15 mm (front); 10 mm (sides); 8 mm (rear)
Main armament: 25 mm M5CA8 autocannon (600 rounds); M4CT6 anti-tank missile (M5CT7 on Modernised version)
Secondary armament: 7.8 mm coaxial GPMG
Engine: KVP-27 diesel 400 hp
Transmission: Automatic , 5 forward, 1 reverse gears
Suspension: 8x8
Ground clearance: 34 cm
Fuel capacity: 700 L
Speed: 75 km/h (road); 47 km/h (cross country)
Smexy Pact vibes. The lines on the IFV are particularly nice - and your universal turret looks fantastic.
Just one thing. Are you using 'ц' in the IFV's name on purpose (either in lieu of 'к' or because you want a 'ts' sound)?
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by Anemos Major » Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:31 am
Premislyd wrote:Thank you. And yeah, it's being used in lieu of 'к,' mostly because I don't use "Kk" in my conlang at all.
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by Imperializt Russia » Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:24 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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