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Postby San » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:39 am

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Ermmm yeah, sure. I'm still enjoying my musics. Are you one of those quantity over quality people?


No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

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Postby Frihetskommunen » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:56 am

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Ermmm yeah, sure. I'm still enjoying my musics. Are you one of those quantity over quality people?


No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

So you are judging all of music on what's popular? In that case, didn't music die in the 80's with all of its commercialized synth-pop and ridicoulus hair metal bands? Or at the very least in the late 90's with Spice Girls and all of the millions of boy bands that were popular then?
Bad music has been popular since the beginning of pop music, doesn't mean music is dying.
EDIT: Also, way to put of an entire versatile genre based on a few examples of bad popular artists. There are great rappers out there, most may not be on the radio but they are definitely out there.
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Postby Rutron aequalitatis » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:28 pm

Yes! Music itself quality wise is become almost dead. Music before was amazing in many ways. I'm not saying that all modern music is bad, but compared with music even from 20 years ago it is atrocious, what happened to quality music, some music now is just laughable! :rofl:

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:32 pm

Rutron aequalitatis wrote:Yes! Music itself quality wise is become almost dead. Music before was amazing in many ways. I'm not saying that all modern music is bad, but compared with music even from 20 years ago it is atrocious, what happened to quality music, some music now is just laughable! :rofl:

As has been said several times in the thread now, the reason the quality of years past seems higher is because only the good stuff was worth preserving. There was still plenty of pap around in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.
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Postby Rutron aequalitatis » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:45 pm

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Rutron aequalitatis wrote:Yes! Music itself quality wise is become almost dead. Music before was amazing in many ways. I'm not saying that all modern music is bad, but compared with music even from 20 years ago it is atrocious, what happened to quality music, some music now is just laughable! :rofl:

As has been said several times in the thread now, the reason the quality of years past seems higher is because only the good stuff was worth preserving. There was still plenty of pap around in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.


Well yes, but there is a so little now ,in my opinion, that could be called good music. For my taste music is dying, but i know many songs in the past was bad, its just my opinion, that music now is dying, the new music not the classics, although even then many people don't listen to that, but its just taste and new music isn't mine.

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Postby San » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:50 pm

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DesAnges wrote:As has been said several times in the thread now, the reason the quality of years past seems higher is because only the good stuff was worth preserving. There was still plenty of pap around in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.


Well yes, but there is a so little now ,in my opinion, that could be called good music. For my taste music is dying, but i know many songs in the past was bad, its just my opinion, that music now is dying, the new music not the classics, although even then many people don't listen to that, but its just taste and new music isn't mine.

something tells me you've only listened to 6 different songs released in the last five years
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Postby Ardavia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:57 pm

Music is not dying as long as we have this, this and this.

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Postby Iuronia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:06 pm

No, it is not. Pop music can pop itself into oblivion, for all I care. There is a myriad of bands making music I like, so I don't think I can allude much to the moribundity of music.
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:22 pm

Rutron aequalitatis wrote:
DesAnges wrote:As has been said several times in the thread now, the reason the quality of years past seems higher is because only the good stuff was worth preserving. There was still plenty of pap around in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s.


Well yes, but there is a so little now ,in my opinion, that could be called good music. For my taste music is dying, but i know many songs in the past was bad, its just my opinion, that music now is dying, the new music not the classics, although even then many people don't listen to that, but its just taste and new music isn't mine.

A list of albums released this year: viewtopic.php?p=17725993#p17725993

Go and listen to them, and tell me music is dying.
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Postby Decanect » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:04 pm

Fortitudinem wrote:Tell me what music is without instruments.

So choral music and a capella isn't music? Huh, news to me.

Also, good god some of you people are pretentious.

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:06 pm

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Fortitudinem wrote:Tell me what music is without instruments.

So choral music and a capella isn't music? Huh, news to me.

Also, good god some of you people are pretentious.

He might be counting 'voice' as an instrument, which is correct to do in some ways.

But then he should be counting rap as 'voice' by the same methodology.
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Postby Person012345 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:17 pm

DesAnges wrote:
Decanect wrote:So choral music and a capella isn't music? Huh, news to me.

Also, good god some of you people are pretentious.

He might be counting 'voice' as an instrument, which is correct to do in some ways.

But then he should be counting rap as 'voice' by the same methodology.

No because all rap = INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR I DRIVE A CHEVROLET MOVIE THEATRE and is therefore not music. Or something.

I personally count the voice as an instrument because it is. Rap is music, it's just not my favourite genre of music.

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Postby Corrian » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:39 pm

Rutron aequalitatis wrote:Yes! Music itself quality wise is become almost dead. Music before was amazing in many ways. I'm not saying that all modern music is bad, but compared with music even from 20 years ago it is atrocious, what happened to quality music, some music now is just laughable! :rofl:

The only problem here is generalizing the entirety of a music generation based off of the radio.

Rutron aequalitatis wrote:Well yes, but there is a so little now ,in my opinion, that could be called good music. For my taste music is dying, but i know many songs in the past was bad, its just my opinion, that music now is dying, the new music not the classics, although even then many people don't listen to that, but its just taste and new music isn't mine.

Then stop listening to the radio, and dig for music elsewhere. It's that simple, and has been said time and time again.
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Postby Decanect » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:44 pm

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DesAnges wrote:He might be counting 'voice' as an instrument, which is correct to do in some ways.

But then he should be counting rap as 'voice' by the same methodology.

No because all rap = INTERIOR CROCODILE ALLIGATOR I DRIVE A CHEVROLET MOVIE THEATRE and is therefore not music. Or something.

I personally count the voice as an instrument because it is. Rap is music, it's just not my favourite genre of music.

I like how he claims he likes "instrumental and Pat Benetar" over modern music, and then goes on to mention that he feels like listening to C418 who made the classic 1920s pop standard known as... the Minecraft soundtrack?

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Postby Corrian » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:30 pm

Fortitudinem wrote:No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

If you like instrumentals, there are thousands of instrumentals I know that are good in all forms of music. Most in the 2000's.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:13 pm

not with artists like Ed Sheeran and Passenger in the iTunes top 10 chart it's not.
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Postby The REAL Glasers » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:32 pm

Corrian wrote:
Fortitudinem wrote:No, I'm one of those people who hates rap and all those stupid celebrities. Instead I prefer interesting stuff like an instrumental or Pat Benetar. Not the low-quality music today's popular "musicians" produce.

If you like instrumentals, there are thousands of instrumentals I know that are good in all forms of music. Most in the 2000's.


Hell, there was an explosion of it in 2001 in particular.
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Why Tinkerbell?

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Postby Sirovia (Ancient) » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:13 pm

Nope. Music is evolving all the time. It's impossible that "good" music dies, because you'll always have good music, in every style around the world.

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Postby Corrian » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:19 pm

Sirovia wrote:Nope. Music is evolving all the time. It's impossible that "good" music dies, because you'll always have good music, in every style around the world.

And every genre of music has these bands that are ever evolving the style, making them way different than anything we've ever heard in the styles of music before.

I've heard sludge metal that sounds nothing like any other band I've heard in the genre, who all sound more similar to each other when I listen to them compared to the sludge metal band I speak of.
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Postby Calorax » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:28 am

It's still sad how many people are hating on pop music here
The mainstream hasn't been this good in, like, ages
It's just trendy for tweens on the internet to hate modern music
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:36 am

Calorax wrote:It's still sad how many people are hating on pop music here
The mainstream hasn't been this good in, like, ages
It's just trendy for tweens on the internet to hate modern music

I still thought the mainstream was pretty garbage from what I have seen...

But like I have been doing in this thread, I've defended both the mainstream and the music industry as a whole since people are loving to hate all music based off a tiny section of the music industry (Radio play stuff).
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Postby San » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:38 am

Calorax wrote:It's still sad how many people are hating on pop music here
The mainstream hasn't been this good in, like, ages
It's just trendy for tweens on the internet to hate modern music

the stuff that's straddles the line between indie and mainstream is better than it's been for years. the actual mainstream stuff? not so much; it's better than it has been recently, but it's still not stellar, really
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:39 am

San wrote:
Calorax wrote:It's still sad how many people are hating on pop music here
The mainstream hasn't been this good in, like, ages
It's just trendy for tweens on the internet to hate modern music

the stuff that's straddles the line between indie and mainstream is better than it's been for years. the actual mainstream stuff? not so much; it's better than it has been recently, but it's still not stellar, really

We still have stuff like Gangnam Style making it go backwards. But at least it doesn't take itself seriously.
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Postby Calorax » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:43 am

Corrian wrote:
Calorax wrote:It's still sad how many people are hating on pop music here
The mainstream hasn't been this good in, like, ages
It's just trendy for tweens on the internet to hate modern music

I still thought the mainstream was pretty garbage from what I have seen...

But like I have been doing in this thread, I've defended both the mainstream and the music industry as a whole since people are loving to hate all music based off a tiny section of the music industry (Radio play stuff).

The mainstream has mostly always pretty garbage though (depending on your definition of mainstream), that's the thing. But there are a lot more acts willing to experiment in the mainstream now; Kanye, Beyonce, Lorde, Daft Punk, Lady Gaga etc. Regardless of peoples opinion of them, that's deserves some commendation, surely.
Also, acts like Arcade Fire and Bon Iver have come to prominence recently, and they're both pretty awesome.

The recent nomination of John Grant in the Brit awards has confirmed my position that the mainstream can still be a force for good.

San wrote:Calorax wrote:
It's still sad how many people are hating on pop music here
The mainstream hasn't been this good in, like, ages
It's just trendy for tweens on the internet to hate modern music

the stuff that's straddles the line between indie and mainstream is better than it's been for years. the actual mainstream stuff? not so much; it's better than it has been recently, but it's still not stellar, really

I think mainstream stuff that is intended for consumption has always been pretty poor though, in honesty. It would appear the public have less of a taste for it now though, with exceptions.
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