Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[San-Silvacian]

An IFV being a tracked or wheeled armoured vehicle that is armoured enough to resist small arms fire. Is equipped with with an autocannon that is 20mm calibre or larger, and has the ability to carry at least four troops in a rear compartment.

What I want this tracked IFV to have is armour that can resist autocannon fire and possibly potential RPG hits along the front, and be able to resist HMG fire on the sides. Have an autocannon in either an unmanned RWS type thing, or in a low-profile manned turret. Autocannon armament I'd prefer to be of medium size, possibly 30mm. I'd like ATGM boxes, but I'm not sure on that. Capacity for 6 troops, compromise to four if I have to. Also to have the electronic capability to link to the C4I network.

CV90 <3

[Dostanuot Loj]

There is no reason to compromise to four, as six is the minimum compromise I have seen.

Once you have a set of internal parameters, work out the volume you need and work from there.

[Lydenburg]

An IFV being a tracked or wheeled armoured vehicle that is armoured enough to resist small arms fire. Is equipped with with an autocannon that is 20mm calibre or larger, and has the ability to carry at least four troops in a rear compartment.

What I want this tracked IFV to have is armour that can resist autocannon fire and possibly potential RPG hits along the front, and be able to resist HMG fire on the sides. Have an autocannon in either an unmanned RWS type thing, or in a low-profile manned turret. Autocannon armament I'd prefer to be of medium size, possibly 30mm. I'd like ATGM boxes, but I'm not sure on that. Capacity for 6 troops, compromise to four if I have to. Also to have the electronic capability to link to the C4I network.

I'd recommend 60mm high-velocity for armament. It's not as light as the 40mm I've been seeing, nor as heavy and obvious as a 76mm, and the Israelis have successfully mated it to the AML-90 armoured car. A good mix of firepower, size, silhouette - as the AML proved, you can stick it on a low-profile turret. Good for knocking out anything up to T-62 class. And there's still room for ATGM boxes towards the rear!

[Dostanuot Loj]

An IFV being a tracked or wheeled armoured vehicle that is armoured enough to resist small arms fire. Is equipped with with an autocannon that is 20mm calibre or larger, and has the ability to carry at least four troops in a rear compartment.

What I want this tracked IFV to have is armour that can resist autocannon fire and possibly potential RPG hits along the front, and be able to resist HMG fire on the sides. Have an autocannon in either an unmanned RWS type thing, or in a low-profile manned turret. Autocannon armament I'd prefer to be of medium size, possibly 30mm. I'd like ATGM boxes, but I'm not sure on that. Capacity for 6 troops, compromise to four if I have to. Also to have the electronic capability to link to the C4I network.

I'd recommend 60mm high-velocity for armament. It's not as light as the 40mm I've been seeing, nor as heavy and obvious as a 76mm, and the Israelis have successfully mated it to the AML-90 armoured car. A good mix of firepower, size, silhouette - as the AML proved, you can stick it on a low-profile turret. Good for knocking out anything up to T-62 class. And there's still room for ATGM boxes towards the rear!

Fun story: I had an idea a few years ago for an AH to recycle HVSS Sherman production, and 76mm Sherman turrets, onto a heavy IFV for the 1950s or 1960s. A sort of Better Sherman, with troop capacity.

[Imperializt Russia]

Always note how seating can arrange Regi!

http://xbradtc.com/2008/07/15/mounted-combat/

[Lydenburg]

I'd recommend 60mm high-velocity for armament. It's not as light as the 40mm I've been seeing, nor as heavy and obvious as a 76mm, and the Israelis have successfully mated it to the AML-90 armoured car. A good mix of firepower, size, silhouette - as the AML proved, you can stick it on a low-profile turret. Good for knocking out anything up to T-62 class. And there's still room for ATGM boxes towards the rear!

Fun story: I had an idea a few years ago for an AH to recycle HVSS Sherman production, and 76mm Sherman turrets, onto a heavy IFV for the 1950s or 1960s. A sort of Better Sherman, with troop capacity.

Funny you should mention that. The Chileans replaced all their Sherman 76mms with the 60mm I was describing.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Fun story: I had an idea a few years ago for an AH to recycle HVSS Sherman production, and 76mm Sherman turrets, onto a heavy IFV for the 1950s or 1960s. A sort of Better Sherman, with troop capacity.

Funny you should mention that. The Chileans replaced all their Sherman 76mms with the 60mm I was describing.

Actually they replaced the Israeli 105mm guns with it on the Shermans the Israelis sold them.

The 60mm HV is an awesome gun. I just don't like it for some reason. I'd rather use a full on 76mm Oto Melera gun.

In fact... there's another idea for an IFV fun-gun.

[Registug]

There's also the thing of organisation. Registug operate with three four man fire teams to a squad plus squad leader in a two man team.

I can't get my squad structure up right now as I'm on a tablet

[San-Silvacian]

There's also the thing of organisation. Registug operate with three four man fire teams to a squad plus squad leader in a two man team.

I can't get my squad structure up right now as I'm on a tablet

big squads.

much rather have a two fireteam one SL set-up.

makes more high speed.

[Registug]

There's also the thing of organisation. Registug operate with three four man fire teams to a squad plus squad leader in a two man team.

I can't get my squad structure up right now as I'm on a tablet

big squads.

much rather have a two fireteam one SL set-up.

makes more high speed.

I might make one of the three fireteams into the SL team

I need to revise it at some point; later though, when I'm not playing tabletop games

[Anacasppia]

75mm ares or bust

@Sumer
Maybe mount the Sherman turret on a M44 APC? That thing is roomy as hell.

[Imperializt Russia]

You don't need a "team" for squad leader.

[Registug]

You don't need a "team" for squad leader.

It was SL plus squad sniper or some such thing.

If I stick to three teams they can be transported in two six capacity vehicles.

[Orussia]

On the subject of IFVs, I'm wondering if there's a way to have a co-axial 107/45 or 57mm armament similar to the BMP-3. Or if it's even necessary.

[Imperializt Russia]

On the subject of IFVs, I'm wondering if there's a way to have a co-axial 107/45 or 57mm armament similar to the BMP-3. Or if it's even necessary.

BMP-3 only has a 30mm gun, Saph
Frankly, 57mm should be primary armament if it's going onto a light vehicle. Hence AU-220 turret for PT-76.

[Orussia]

On the subject of IFVs, I'm wondering if there's a way to have a co-axial 107/45 or 57mm armament similar to the BMP-3. Or if it's even necessary.

BMP-3 only has a 30mm gun, Saph
Frankly, 57mm should be primary armament if it's going onto a light vehicle. Hence AU-220 turret for PT-76.

I said similar, dammit. I know bloody well what guns the BMP-3 has.
I just need something that can launch a nicely-sized HE round and GLATGMs, and an autocannon that has a decent punch while acting as the primary weapon for engaging 30mm-protected IFVs and other soft vehicles.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you were to convert from 30x165 to 30x173, you could subsequently upgrade to 40mm Super.
30x165 will still make other vehicles uncomfortable. Optics and dismounts beware, while the 100mm gun will surely have shells of moderate power ideally suited for LAVs too heavy for the 30mm to be effective against.

[Orussia]

If you were to convert from 30x165 to 30x173, you could subsequently upgrade to 40mm Super.
30x165 will still make other vehicles uncomfortable. Optics and dismounts beware, while the 100mm gun will surely have shells of moderate power ideally suited for LAVs too heavy for the 30mm to be effective against.

Samoz, you are not Russianing hard enough. I am proposing an idea for MOAR GUN™, and you're trying to say it's good enough already.

Shame.

[United States of PA]

So i tried making a Anemos-Statbloc for my tank re-design.


Needless to say it has more info in it than i ever cared for putting on something, so here was my attempt

M8H Li Toneur Medium Tank

Designation:
Numerical Designation: M8H Block 3
Name: Li Toneur (Thunder)

Key Data:
Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver)
Designer:
Cost: A fuckload?

Dimensions:
Length:
- Hull: 8.1m
- Gun forwards: 11.2m
Height:
- Turret roof: 2.6m
- Incl. RWS: 3m???????
Width:
- Hull: 3.4m
- w/ Slat Armor add-on: 4.1m
Weight:
- Base combat: 66 tonnes?????
- w/ Armor Add-ons: 74 tonnes

Propulsion:
Engine: 12 Cylinder Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power: 2200bhp
Power/Weight ratio: 29.73 hp/tonne @ 74 tonnes
Transmission: 8forward, 2 reverse
Suspension: In-Arm Active Controlled Hydropneumatic

Performance:
Speed:
- Road: ~70km/h
- Reverse (road): ~40km/h
- Cross-country: ~50km/h
Operational Range: 500km
Acceleration: ?????

Armament:
Main Armament: L/50 140mm Rifled
- Ammunition: 36
- Elevation: -8/+16
- Elevation rate: 30 degrees/sec
- Traverse: 360 degrees
- Traverse rate: 50 degrees/sec
Coaxial station (left):
- Caliber: 35x228mm/50mm Supershot
- Ammunition:200 rounds
Fire Control: Automatic Fire suppression

Protection:
Armour:
- Base:
- Forward Applique:
- Side Applique:
- Additional Armour:
Passive Protection Systems:
- Sensors:
Active Protection Systems:
- Soft-kill:
- Hard-kill:
NBC:
Fire:
Smoke:

Sensors:
Primary Gunnery Sight:
- Laser rangefinder:
- Gunnery aids:
Commander's Independent Sight:
- PRWS sensors:
Elevated Optronics Mast:
Additional sensors/sights:
- Gunner:
- Commander:
- Driver:

Communications/Networking:
Communications Management:
Radio:
Networking:
Battle Management:
Protection:

[Rich and Corporations]

There is no reason to compromise to four, as six is the minimum compromise I have seen.

Once you have a set of internal parameters, work out the volume you need and work from there.

The M3 Bradley compromises to 2 passengers and 3 crew.

[United States of PA]

Funny that a Recon vehicle with lotsa radios iirc doesnt carry lots of passengers.

It aint meant to.

[Orussia]

There is no reason to compromise to four, as six is the minimum compromise I have seen.

Once you have a set of internal parameters, work out the volume you need and work from there.

The M3 Bradley compromises to 2 passengers and 3 crew.

The M3 Bradley is also not an IFV. It is a cavalry scout vehicle.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you were to convert from 30x165 to 30x173, you could subsequently upgrade to 40mm Super.
30x165 will still make other vehicles uncomfortable. Optics and dismounts beware, while the 100mm gun will surely have shells of moderate power ideally suited for LAVs too heavy for the 30mm to be effective against.

Samoz, you are not Russianing hard enough. I am proposing an idea for MOAR GUN™, and you're trying to say it's good enough already.

Shame.

I'm currently dreaming up a six-inch gun project for the Tsar Davida that will put even yours to shame.

come at me bro
I need to have some sanity.
Besides, I've recently become a bit of a believer at "sufficient". Blame Mat, if you must
I'd even consider 25mm guns on future vehicles, because of the design goals for the Bradley that gave it its 25mm gun calibre.

[Orussia]

Anemostatbloc is sexy, so I'll copy down what I remember of my T-14 off the top of my head, and start filling in later. Anemos, if you have the time, can you link this post to my T-14 listing in the OP?

T-14 Medium Tank

Designation:
Numerical Designation: T-14A Mod. 2012
Name: No official design name, known as 'Buran' during development

Key Data:
Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver)
Designer:
Cost:

Dimensions:
Length:
- Hull:
- Gun forwards:
Height:
- Turret roof:
- Incl. RWS:
Width:
- Hull:
- w/ armor skirts:
Weight:
- Base combat:
- w/ Armor Add-ons:

Propulsion:
Engine: 6 Cylinder Opposed Piston Multifuel Diesel
Power: 1500bhp
Power/Weight ratio:
Transmission: 8 forward, 2 reverse
Suspension: In-Arm Active-Damper Torsion Bar

Performance:
Speed:
- Road:
- Reverse (road):
- Cross-country:
Operational Range:
Acceleration:

Armament:
Main Armament: 122mm L/52 Smoothbore
- Ammunition: 36
- Elevation: -8/+24
- Elevation rate: 42 degrees/sec
- Traverse: 360 degrees
- Traverse rate: 62 degrees/sec
Coaxial station (right):
- Caliber: 12.7x108mm SA1208 Heavy Machine Gun
- Ammunition:750 rounds
Fire Control:

Protection:
Armour:
- Base:
- Forward Applique:
- Side Applique:
- Additional Armour:
Passive Protection Systems:
- Sensors:
Active Protection Systems:
- Soft-kill:
- Hard-kill:
NBC:
Fire:
Smoke:

Sensors:
Primary Gunnery Sight:
- Laser rangefinder:
- Gunnery aids:
Commander's Independent Sight:
- PRWS sensors:
Elevated Optronics Mast:
Additional sensors/sights:
- Gunner:
- Commander:
- Driver:

Communications/Networking:
Communications Management:
Radio:
Networking:
Battle Management:
Protection:

[Orussia]

Samoz, you are not Russianing hard enough. I am proposing an idea for MOAR GUN™, and you're trying to say it's good enough already.

Shame.

I'm currently dreaming up a six-inch gun project for the Tsar Davida that will put even yours to shame.

Stopped reading there.

Samoz, the recoil from my 152mm design requires a soft-recoil mounting and muzzle brake before it can be mounted on a chassis weighing less than 80 tons.

The full rounds are taller than the average American man, and the penetrator alone on the APFSDS round weighs 71 lbs, with a penetration capability of 1200mm of solid steel.

You come at me.