DEFEATED: Microcredit & Microgrants

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Honoured ambassador Dr. Castro:

Apart from the suggestion to compress the definitions section as explained here, I think there is no more reasonable concerns that I can think of. I would suggest full steam ahead after the compression of the clause I pointed out.

Yours etc,

Ms. Sarah Harper, ambassador and delegate.

[Glen-Rhodes]

There isn't much of a need to compress the definitions; the proposal is well under the length limit. That said, I may submit this soon, if my schedule permits.

Dr. Bradford William Castro

Ambassador-at-Large,
Permanent Chief of Mission for World Assembly affairs,
the Commonwealth of Glen-Rhodes

[Glen-Rhodes]

Trial submission.

[Diatraba]

Sorry, but is this a resolution which aims to micromanage the Assembly's finances? If it is, I'd vote FOR - I'll have a word with my regional delegate to approve this

Désolé, mais est-ce une résolution qui vise à la microgestion des finances de l'Assemblée? Dans ce cas, je voterais pour - je vais parler avec mon délégué régional en vue d'approuver cette excellente résolution

[Glen-Rhodes]

I didn't expect the trial submission to make it quorum. I noticed a typo yesterday evening and planned on taking it down and fixing it today. I'm not too sure how the typo will affect the resolution, if it is passed.

- Forming lending standards to which all authorized IMF lenders are bound, and routinely inspecting the practices and finances of authorized WMF lenders;

Sorry, but is this a resolution which aims to micromanage the Assembly's finances? If it is, I'd vote FOR - I'll have a word with my regional delegate to approve this.

No, I'm afraid it's not. It pools together credit lenders to provide microcredit to poor entrepreneurs.

Dr. Bradford William Castro

Ambassador-at-Large,
Permanent Chief of Mission for World Assembly affairs,
the Commonwealth of Glen-Rhodes

[Diatraba]

I didn't expect the trial submission to make it quorum. I noticed a typo yesterday evening and planned on taking it down and fixing it today. I'm not too sure how the typo will affect the resolution, if it is passed.

- Forming lending standards to which all authorized IMF lenders are bound, and routinely inspecting the practices and finances of authorized WMF lenders;

Sorry, but is this a resolution which aims to micromanage the Assembly's finances? If it is, I'd vote FOR - I'll have a word with my regional delegate to approve this.

No, I'm afraid it's not. It pools together credit lenders to provide microcredit to poor entrepreneurs.

Dr. Bradford William Castro

Ambassador-at-Large,
Permanent Chief of Mission for World Assembly affairs,
the Commonwealth of Glen-Rhodes

and WHAT, may I ask, is microcredit? I am not a businessman, a statistician, a mathematician, nor an economist! Threfore, good sir, you will need to explain what you mean.

et ce qui, je vous le demande, le microcrédit? Je ne suis pas un homme d'affaires, un statisticien, un mathématicien, ni un économiste! Par conséquent, mon bon monsieur, vous aurez besoin d'expliquer ce que vous entendez.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

I didn't expect the trial submission to make it quorum. I noticed a typo yesterday evening and planned on taking it down and fixing it today. I'm not too sure how the typo will affect the resolution, if it is passed.

- Forming lending standards to which all authorized IMF lenders are bound, and routinely inspecting the practices and finances of authorized WMF lenders;

I think that is an unintentional typo that's unlikely to cause serious problems. As the GA proposal rules state:

A Proposal won't be nuked for the occasional typo, but if I have to spend a good chunk of time trying to figure out what's going on, it'll be nuked.

And not to worry, IMF is an acronym for a good handful of organizations and terms, from a anatomy term to a file format. Either way, I've voted in favour.

[Glen-Rhodes]

and WHAT, may I ask, is microcredit? I am not a businessman, a statistician, a mathematician, nor an economist! Threfore, good sir, you will need to explain what you mean.

I would not be deserving of my station if I wrote a resolution without describing its meaning. The definition of microcredit is provided in the text:

DEFINES microcredit as the extension of loans for small sums of money, by lenders to those in poverty, for the purpose of sustaining livelihood and encouraging entrepreneurship;

Dr. Bradford William Castro

Ambassador-at-Large,
Permanent Chief of Mission for World Assembly affairs,
the Commonwealth of Glen-Rhodes

[Quintessence of Dust]

OOC: Your proposal uses both 'WMF' and 'IMF'.

[Lou Sonova]

Ok so in order for me to cast my vote on this I need to know one thing.Why does the world assembly need to get involved I have my on thories on why but i want to here it from the one proposing this idea,why does the world assembly need to establish this loan system?Why cant this be done by private coorperations?

[Diatraba]

I have - after a lot of thought and conversation with our Director for Finance - decided to vote FOR this resolution. After consulting the tally of delegate votes, I see that my honoured delegate (Alsted) has given 287 votes in favour (which means that he received 286 endorsements - all of which he put towards this resolution - and he had his own single vote, which he has put to this resolution)

This is a well-thought resolution, and I think Doctor Castro should be congratulated for such an ingenious idea

Que tengo - después de mucho pensamiento y la conversación con nuestro Director de Finanzas - decidieron votar por esta resolución. Previa consulta al recuento de los votos de los delegados, veo que mi delegado honor (Alsted) ha emitido 287 votos a favor (lo que significa que recibió 286 anotaciones - todas las cuales se dedicará a la presente resolución - y tenía su propio voto único, que que ha dedicado a esta resolución)

Esta es una resolución bien pensado, y creo que el doctor Castro debería ser felicitado por esta idea ingeniosa

J'ai - après beaucoup de réflexion et de conversation avec notre directeur des finances - a décidé de voter pour cette résolution. Après avoir consulté le décompte des voix des délégués, je vois que mon délégué honneur (Alsted) a donné 287 voix en faveur (ce qui signifie qu'il a reçu 286 mentions - qui a mis à cette résolution - et il avait sa propre voix unique, qui il a mis à la présente résolution)

Cette résolution est bien pensé, et je pense que le docteur Castro doit être félicité pour cette idée ingénieuse

Ich habe - nach einem viel Nachdenken und Gespräch mit unserem Direktor für Finanzen - beschlossen, für diese Entschließung stimmen. Nach Anhörung der Tally der Delegiertenstimmen, sehe ich, daß mein verehrter delegieren (Alsted) verfügt über 287 Stimmen (was bedeutet, dass er 286 Vermerke - empfangen gegeben, die er alle in diese Richtung gesetzt Auflösung - und er hatte seine einzige Stimme, die er hat zu dieser Entschließung Put)

Dies ist eine gut durchdachte Lösung, und ich glaube, Doktor Castro für solch eine geniale Idee sollte gratuliert werden

[Krioval]

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OOC: Could you please put the non-English translations into a spoiler tag or something. They're taking up roughly 3/4 of your post.

[Lou Sonova]

I have - after a lot of thought and conversation with our Director for Finance - decided to vote FOR this resolution. After consulting the tally of delegate votes, I see that my honoured delegate (Alsted) has given 287 votes in favour (which means that he received 286 endorsements - all of which he put towards this resolution - and he had his own single vote, which he has put to this resolution)

This still leaves me wondering ok you like this thought but why do you think such a resolution neds to be "international" and not a private coorperation

[Hiriaurtung Arororugul]

- Forming lending standards to which all authorized IMF lenders are bound, and routinely inspecting the practices and finances of authorized WMF lenders;

ENCOURAGES nations with areas of large numbers of impoverished citizens to inquire about and establish IMF chapters in those areas;

Dr. Castro, could you please clarify the meaning of these two clauses? How are IMF lenders to be bound by lending standards? What exactly would an IMF chapter consist of? What do the letters IMF stand for?

Don't tell me you're trying to sneak an International Monetary Fund in through the back door.

Hiriaurtung Arororugul picks up an acoustic guitar, and in his thick Aundotutunagirian accent begins singing a horrible little song about the IMF.

♫ Padded with power here they come
International loan sharks backed by the guns
Of market hungry military profiteers
Whose word is a swamp and whose brow is smeared
With the blood of the poor

Who rob life of its quality
Who render rage a necessity
By turning countries into labour camps
Modern slavers in drag as champions of freedom

Sinister cynical instrument
Who makes the gun into a sacrament --
The only response to the deification
Of tyranny by so-called "developed" nations'
Idolatry of ideology

North South East West
Kill the best and buy the rest
It's just spend a buck to make a buck
You don't really give a flying fuck
About the people in misery

IMF dirty MF
Takes away everything it can get
Always making certain that there's one thing left
Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt

See the paid-off local bottom feeders
Passing themselves off as leaders
Kiss the ladies shake hands with the fellows
Open for business like a cheap bordello

And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy

See the loaded eyes of the children too
Trying to make the best of it the way kids do
One day you're going to rise from your habitual feast
To find yourself staring down the throat of the beast
They call the revolution

IMF dirty MF
Takes away everything it can get
Always making certain that there's one thing left
Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt ♫

[The ivain isles]

- Forming lending standards to which all authorized IMF lenders are bound, and routinely inspecting the practices and finances of authorized WMF lenders;

ENCOURAGES nations with areas of large numbers of impoverished citizens to inquire about and establish IMF chapters in those areas;

Dr. Castro, could you please clarify the meaning of these two clauses? How are IMF lenders to be bound by lending standards? What exactly would an IMF chapter consist of? What do the letters IMF stand for?

Don't tell me you're trying to sneak an International Monetary Fund in through the back door.

Hiriaurtung Arororugul picks up an acoustic guitar, and in his thick Aundotutunagirian accent begins singing a horrible little song about the IMF.

♫ Padded with power here they come
International loan sharks backed by the guns
Of market hungry military profiteers
Whose word is a swamp and whose brow is smeared
With the blood of the poor

Who rob life of its quality
Who render rage a necessity
By turning countries into labour camps
Modern slavers in drag as champions of freedom

Sinister cynical instrument
Who makes the gun into a sacrament --
The only response to the deification
Of tyranny by so-called "developed" nations'
Idolatry of ideology

North South East West
Kill the best and buy the rest
It's just spend a buck to make a buck
You don't really give a flying fuck
About the people in misery

IMF dirty MF
Takes away everything it can get
Always making certain that there's one thing left
Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt

See the paid-off local bottom feeders
Passing themselves off as leaders
Kiss the ladies shake hands with the fellows
Open for business like a cheap bordello

And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy

See the loaded eyes of the children too
Trying to make the best of it the way kids do
One day you're going to rise from your habitual feast
To find yourself staring down the throat of the beast
They call the revolution

IMF dirty MF
Takes away everything it can get
Always making certain that there's one thing left
Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt ♫

If you read the last posts you would know IMF was a typo.

[Hiriaurtung Arororugul]

If you read the last posts you would know IMF was a typo.

Your point?

Typo or not it is within the text of the proposal, is it not? Therefore it is a component of this proposed resolution and must be considered as if it were placed there intentionally. The law does what the law says.

[Glen-Rhodes]

OOC: Your proposal uses both 'WMF' and 'IMF'.

OOC: I know. I didn't notice it until yesterday evening. I planned on taking it down today, but when I got online, it was already at-vote. Never really expected the proposal to reach quorum without a TG campaign; it was only a test submission. :\ I'm not sure how the typos will affect the resolution, if it's passed. "IMF" is used in a key clause.

[Mad Sheep Railgun]

Never really expected the proposal to reach quorum without a TG campaign; it was only a test submission.

It happens. Commend AMOM reached quorum without me sending a single TG.

I'm going to oppose this IC because, well, Arororugul likes to scream OPPOSSED. I'm not sure what the effect of having "IMF" in there would be. You can't claim that lenders are held to lending standards because it's talking about IMF authorized lenders and since the IMF is never actually established it doesn't exist in any real sense. It can still "routinely inspect the practices and finances of authorized WMF lenders" though.

The other clause, about the IMF chapters, is not a mandatory clause anyway so I guess that's not a problem.

A possible fix for all this would be to establish the IMF in a later resolution.

[The St Timothy Isles]

Maybe the IMF in a later resolution can include:

CHANGES any typos before this resolution containing IMF to WMF

or something?

This helps my repeal of International Road Safety become obsolete. It's good because I wasn't going anywhere with it. Search it up in this forum.

[Free and Open States]

The Confederacy can not support this resolution.

[The Rich Port]

Microcrediting? Isn't that what people do to boost their credit scores?

[Enn]

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OOC: Could you please put the non-English translations into a spoiler tag or something. They're taking up roughly 3/4 of your post.

Also, why use those other languages? OOC, we write in English. IC, the Universal Translator deals with various languages. From an IC perspective, it seems rather dismissive of you to specify four particular languages as being 'worthy' of posting in.

[Virtualila]

Virtualila stands opposed to this proposal. While we commend the nation of Glen-Rhodes for their attempt to fight poverty, we believe that instituting even more credit is the exact opposite of what is nessecary to do so. It is worth noting that entire economies have crashed when too many civilians have found themselves in debts they cannot reimburse, largely as a result of credit and loans-- these people find themselves homeless and faces debts which they have no hope to pay off. We would go as far to say that, instead of providing yet another credit system, that international credit systems need to be tightened greatly to insure that civilians do not take out loans that they cannot pay back.

[Glen-Rhodes]

A possible fix for all this would be to establish the IMF in a later resolution.

Or repealing this (should it pass), at some later point in time, and resubmitting it without the typos. Seems kind of pointless to create a resolution to say that the IMF is synonymous with the WMF. At this point in time, I'm asking delegates who voted for to now vote against, so that it can just be resubmitted.

[Flibbleites]

Maybe the IMF in a later resolution can include:

CHANGES any typos before this resolution containing IMF to WMF

or something?

No, that would be an amendment and amendments are illegal.