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Postby Menassa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:56 pm

Liriena wrote:
Menassa wrote:I assume you're basing this off of a simple reading of the Old Testament on its own.

I will admit that I am going by the general idea conveyed by the Christian Bible, yes. I take it that you are about to rid me of this misconception?

Based on the Christian Bible? No, I am not.
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Postby Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:57 pm

Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:57 pm

Kantanska wrote:
Liriena wrote:Source your blatantly false claims, please.

The Bible has set out rules and procedures for Marriage and the Church has set out many more. Most of these rules did not exist before the Bible at least in a codified form. This is what makes Marriage unique.

I asked for a source, not more baseless claims. Furthermore, marriage is not unique at all. It's as universal an institution as it gets. It has existed, and still exists, in all societies, even those that have never been exposed to Christianity, and the Christian ritual of matrimony is just one of countless different ones.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:58 pm

Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

You speak as if this were the absolute, universal and irrefutable truth.

That's cute.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:58 pm

Menassa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Source your blatantly false claims, please.

Not giving him much wiggle room eh. :p

I'm feeling snarky tonight. :P
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Postby Resawa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:58 pm

Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

Excelant. Now only a small percent of humanity can be legally married :clap:

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Postby Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

You speak as if this were the absolute, universal and irrefutable truth.

That's cute.

Why thank you. I do try.

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Postby Blasveck » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.


Shockingly, the Catholic Church does not hold a monopoly on either the definition nor the practice of and legalization of 'legitimate marriages'
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Postby Lost heros » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

You do know marriage existed before the Catholic Church by non-Christians.
We're all of these marriages illegitimate!
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:59 pm

Menassa wrote:
Liriena wrote:I will admit that I am going by the general idea conveyed by the Christian Bible, yes. I take it that you are about to rid me of this misconception?

Based on the Christian Bible? No, I am not.

Phew! :p
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Postby Lost heros » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:00 pm

Kantanska wrote:
Liriena wrote:You speak as if this were the absolute, universal and irrefutable truth.

That's cute.

Why thank you. I do try.

You say that as if it was a good thing.
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Postby Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:01 pm

Resawa wrote:
Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

Excelant. Now only a small percent of humanity can be legally married :clap:

And that small percentage does not include me, but those are the rules that the Church has set out.

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Postby Menassa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
Menassa wrote:Based on the Christian Bible? No, I am not.

Phew! :p

You like that idea... :blink:
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:01 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

You do know marriage existed before the Catholic Church by non-Christians.
We're all of these marriages illegitimate!

Irrefutably.

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Postby The Traditional Catholic Papal States » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:01 pm

Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.


Please...Everyone. Can't you tell they are trying to parody yours truly? I'm touched :blush: ....
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:02 pm

Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

Even Protestant marriages are fake?
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Postby Lost heros » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:02 pm

Kantanska wrote:
Resawa wrote:Excelant. Now only a small percent of humanity can be legally married :clap:

And that small percentage does not include me, but those are the rules that the Church has set out.

The church doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. Or do you need that to be repeated for the 20th time?
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Postby Resawa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:02 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#M ... d_religion
Note the part in the history that says marriage predates recorded history

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Postby Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:03 pm

The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.


Please...Everyone. Can't you tell they are trying to parody yours truly? I'm touched :blush: ....

I doubt that you are a true strict Catholic. There are so few left now.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:03 pm

Resawa wrote:
Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

Excelant. Now only a small percent of humanity can be legally married :clap:

Am I the only one who finds this absurdly-microscopic-in-scope hubris fascinating? I mean... Kantanska has pretty much just divorced a couple billions of people around the world, turned their children into spiritually doomed bastards, condemned countless culturally isolated societies to unwitting adultery, nullified the legal bindings that currently keep most of the world's families legally together, and pulled the most delightful of object-vanishing magic tricks on the overwhelming majority of worldwide human history... all in the name of Catholic supremacism.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Menassa » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:03 pm

Kantanska wrote:
The Traditional Catholic Papal States wrote:
Please...Everyone. Can't you tell they are trying to parody yours truly? I'm touched :blush: ....

I doubt that you are a true strict Catholic. There are so few left now.

Holy schism batman.
Remember what Amalek did to you on your journey --- Do not Forget!
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Lost heros » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:04 pm

Kantanska wrote:
Lost heros wrote:You do know marriage existed before the Catholic Church by non-Christians.
We're all of these marriages illegitimate!

Irrefutably.

What gives the Catholic Church the power to define marriages?
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:04 pm

Kantanska wrote:
Lost heros wrote:You do know marriage existed before the Catholic Church by non-Christians.
We're all of these marriages illegitimate!

Irrefutably.


Debatable.
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Postby Kantanska » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:04 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kantanska wrote:Let me clarify that the only legitimate marriages in the world are ones preformed in a Catholic Church by a Catholic Priest. Anything else are the creations of Schismatics and heathens.

Even Protestant marriages are fake?

Protestants are schismatics and blasphemers. So yes. A Church not in Holy Communion with Rome isn't a Church.

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:04 pm

Kantanska wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Even Protestant marriages are fake?

Protestants are schismatics and blasphemers. So yes. A Church not in Holy Communion with Rome isn't a Church.

:rofl:
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