The People's Republic of Lazarus

[Unibot III]

Except for the fact that I've said repeatedly that I don't have a problem with Mao imagery (just as I'm not rabidly 'throw all the Nazi's out of the game'). So...nope. Try again.

Then, what the hell are we debating again?

[Silver Seas]

Glen said that he didn't think anyone was genuinely offended by the Mao Imagery. I disagreed, pointing out, reasonably, that if there are people who get genuinely offended about nazis in game, there are probably people genuinely offended by the Mao Imagery. Not as many, perhaps, but they're likely out there. That's what I was saying.

then you decided to come in as a Mao Apologist, which is another matter entirely.

[Solorni]

I stand corrected (makes not to slap Koth). Either way, i think Milo is getting a little too much attention in here today. This is about Lazarus's new theme. Not about Bel and Rach's dislike of Milo

Also, look out for prominent Lazarus members going Red.

Since when do I dislike Milo? Not all of us are motivated by personal grudges. I'm primary motivated by the flimsy reasoning and overreaction by Harmoneia (surprise surprise) and her government. As well, the lying by its government and blatant hypocrisy when it came to telling us they wished to keep it an internal matter, but rather chose to blast it days in GP later is worrying and still has not been addressed.

[The North Polish Union]

TBH, as someone who is anti-Communist IRL (except I like Milo, mostly due to lolz ), I really can't say I'm nearly as offended by Mao as I am by Hitler or Stalin. Though I admit that this could be because the latter two screwed over my RL country. I can't help but feel that Mao's killings were accidental and due to ineptity and mismanagement, while the Holoucaust, Holodomor, and Katyń Massacre were intentional acts carried out with expressly malicious intent.

[Silver Seas]

I never said Mao was as bad as Hitler. (I tend not to make such judgements in general) I merely used all the people who are butthurt about Nazis-in-game to point out that Glen was probably wrong.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Is it possible that some people might find Mao Zedong "imagery" offensive? Yes. (Though I'm not sure where "Mao Zedong imagery" is being used -- the setup of the CPC and subsequent CCP is not unique to China.) Is it likely that any of those people are in this thread? No. I've been around gameplay types long enough to know that they'll find anything offensive if they can score a political point.

[Cerian Quilor]

I could score political points if I acted as though I found it offensive. Same as if I acted as though I found Nazis in NS offensive in the way a lot of people don't. Mine is not a particularly popular position in Europeia (which is one of the two regions I'm heavily engaged in), and yet, I hold it.

Just because people can be insincere doesn't mean they always are.

[Unibot III]

Is it likely that any of those people are in this thread? No. I've been around gameplay types long enough to know that they'll find anything offensive if they can score a political point.

Very true.

[Cerian Quilor]

Is it likely that any of those people are in this thread? No. I've been around gameplay types long enough to know that they'll find anything offensive if they can score a political point.

Very true.

Gameplay type = you, Unibot.

So you've never been offended by raiding? All this moral outrage has been for political points? I'm thrilled to see you finally admit it! Welcome to the light!

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Hell, I've spent political capital on this issue rather than gained it by being really really pissed off. Anyone who thinks I'm just trying to score points is a tit.

[Unibot III]

So you've never been offended by raiding? All this moral outrage has been for political points? I'm thrilled to see you finally admit it! Welcome to the light!

You don't gain political points in the Post-Influence world by being outraged at the invasion of native communities -- you generally lose political capital when you invoke a classical moral compass. You score political points when you make grand gestures about Fake Nazis and Adspammers and such.

[Cormac A Stark]

More changes are planned to come in the near future -- the army will be undergoing a revamp and a significant ideological shift, for example.

Given that you have defenders, and pretty much only defenders, arguing in your favor in this thread and given Harmoneia's own (former?) position as UDL Lieutenant, I can only imagine what this "significant ideological shift" will look like. And if it is what I think it is -- wait for it, this doesn't happen often -- I commend Lazarus for taking steps to stop the chronic fence-sitting inactivity that plagues most GCRs. I would rather see a defender Lazarus with meaningful involvement in gameplay than another cookie cutter neutral shamocracy masquerading as something politically relevant. So if this is in fact the direction you're going, good for you, though still, raiding > defending.

Also: Seriously, did you guys just spend 3 or 4 pages arguing about Maoism? If I wanted to see that I'd go to General. Just sayin'.

[Cannibalistic Chipmunks]

So you've never been offended by raiding? All this moral outrage has been for political points? I'm thrilled to see you finally admit it! Welcome to the light!

You don't gain political points in the Post-Influence world by being outraged at the invasion of native communities -- you generally lose political capital when you invoke a classical moral compass. You score political points when you make grand gestures about Fake Nazis and Adspammers and such.

You don't gain political points by crucifying your recruits, either, Friend.

[TAO the Wanderer]

I am simply happy to see Harmoneia back in Laz. Before she arrived on the scene years ago, Lazarus was region for the dead ... in every sense. The original power group had died off and Harm resurrected the region of resurrection. If the region wants to play the game in a way different than before, who is to say that is wrong? No one is being coerced to stay there or move there (other than the occasional resurrection). Green & White or Red & Gold, the region is still Lazarus.

[Feux]

I am simply happy to see Harmoneia back in Laz. Before she arrived on the scene years ago, Lazarus was region for the dead ... in every sense. The original power group had died off and Harm resurrected the region of resurrection. If the region wants to play the game in a way different than before, who is to say that is wrong? No one is being coerced to stay there or move there (other than the occasional resurrection). Green & White or Red & Gold, the region is still Lazarus.

[Milograd]

I commend Lazarus for taking steps to stop the chronic fence-sitting inactivity that plagues most GCRs. I would rather see a defender Lazarus with meaningful involvement in gameplay than another cookie cutter neutral shamocracy masquerading as something politically relevant..

For a second there, I thought this post was written by Eli.

[PrussianEmpire]

I am simply happy to see Harmoneia back in Laz. Before she arrived on the scene years ago, Lazarus was region for the dead ... in every sense. The original power group had died off and Harm resurrected the region of resurrection. If the region wants to play the game in a way different than before, who is to say that is wrong? No one is being coerced to stay there or move there (other than the occasional resurrection). Green & White or Red & Gold, the region is still Lazarus.

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

You don't gain political points in the Post-Influence world by being outraged at the invasion of native communities -- you generally lose political capital when you invoke a classical moral compass. You score political points when you make grand gestures about Fake Nazis and Adspammers and such.

You don't gain political points by crucifying your recruits, either, Friend.

Sounds like Henry...


On topic: I like the changes.

[Harmoneia]

I am simply happy to see Harmoneia back in Laz. Before she arrived on the scene years ago, Lazarus was region for the dead ... in every sense. The original power group had died off and Harm resurrected the region of resurrection. If the region wants to play the game in a way different than before, who is to say that is wrong? No one is being coerced to stay there or move there (other than the occasional resurrection). Green & White or Red & Gold, the region is still Lazarus.

Thank you TAO. I did not receive your applicatnpion for non-WA Delegate of Lazarus, however! You may fill up these forms here, sign here, and I'll just stamp my signature there.

[The Lazarene Gazette]

A New Red Sun Rises

It is truly a marvelous time for Socialism! Great Patriotic Hero Milograd has been appointed by our illustrious former Chairwoman, Harmoneia, to be the new Delegate of Lazarus and Chairman of the Socialist Harmonious Society of Lazarus!

Those who have followed the recent revolutionary exploits of Milograd, from his attempt to liberate the proletariat of The South Pacific to his Long March ending in Lazarus to his new found position in the Mother Sinker, know that he is indeed a man of the people. For months, Milograd has fought to give voice to the countless nations long oppressed by the shadowy bourgeois, those scheming oligarchs who hide behind the mask of 'independence', and now he has an unparalleled opportunity to break the chains in one of the world's largest regions.

This would not be possible, of course, without the contributions of the beloved Harmoneia. She who ended years of monarchy. She who ushered in a bright new era for the people. She who gave Milograd a second chance. Harmoneia took the first steps towards a truly free Lazarus. Though she does not have the time to remain as the vanguard into a new Socialist future, she shall remain active within Lazarus as a governor.

In a speech before the masses in front of The Great Hall of the People, Milograd laid out his goals for the glorious future. Ranging from bringing new citizens into positions of power long neglected to reviewing Lazarus' foreign policy to ensuring that Lazarus' defender-military might becomes a force to be reckoned with, he provided a bright vision of a new, active region.

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First People's Congress Proclaimed

A group of heroic comrades was recently proclaimed to be the inaugural 'People's Congress'.

Following open nominations and mass electoral participation, a group of seven citizens was chosen to represent the voice of the people. The ranks of the new congress range from bold newcomers to well-loved veterans.

Feux, Stujenski, Pergamon, Earth and Freedom, Heronlord, and Libetarian Republics where the first six to be officially named, with Matheca presumed to follow after stepping down from a governorship.

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Other Tales from Paradise

• A mass of fishmongers offering their wares temporarily clogged the Scarlet City.
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[Anumia]

Years of monarchy ended by someone who appointed their successor at least the Milograd as Mao image was made already so I didn't have to point it out.

[Lord Wellington]

Hail Milograd! The great thief of TSP and now Lazarus...

[Someone Special]

You should shut your piehole, Wellington.

[Lord Wellington]

You should shut your piehole, Wellington.

That was quite...uncivil.

[Yaybor]

Milograd's in charge? We are all doooomed!!