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Huntmar
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Postby Huntmar » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:47 pm

The Republic of Llamas wrote:
Huntmar wrote:This is a work in progress. I know nothing about Austria's navy or economy. If someone can help me with information, I'll update the app when I can.
Nation Name: Huntmar
Country You Wish to Play As: Austria
Description of Army(Training, approximate numbers, etc.): Gemeinsame Armee. 35,000 men. Very mobile, able to set up camp quickly. Their weakness is a lack of, well... camping. They're better at capturing and running place to place to defend rather than hold one position down. This can make organization among the ranks hard when trying to defend one point. Like Prussia, slightly outdated armaments, but this should improve later. Note that I don't know anything about the army, just basing it one what seems likely.
Description of Navy (Training, approximate numbers, etc.):
Description of Economy (What is it based on, how efficient, how large, etc.):
Side(Must be same as IRL, but can change IC): The Grand Armée.

1. Alright, I recommend you read a bit on the Napoleonic wars. Basic knowledge of how they worked would have stopped the fiasco that is this app.
2. I thought you wanted to be Spain? A smaller or less important country might be better to get you acclimated to historical RPing.

1. I know, but I'm looking for how the military fought, and how strong they were.
2. I couldn't find ANY information on Spain, plus they weren't part of the Armee at the time, I don't think. Prussia would have been much easier.
And to answer James' question, it's because when I find the size of the Armee's numbers on Wikipedia, there are around 500,000, 35,000 of them Austrians.
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Postby Jamessonia » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:54 pm

For Austria:

In 1805 there were 425,000 men in the field:
- 305,450 infantry (line, jagers and border)
- 42,340 cavalry
- 12,330 artillery
- 57,400 Grenzers
- 5,750 engineers, pioneers
- 1,730 others
Last edited by Max Stirner on Thu June 26, 1856, edited 48 times in total.
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Postby Huntmar » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:03 pm

Jamessonia wrote:For Austria:

In 1805 there were 425,000 men in the field:
- 305,450 infantry (line, jagers and border)
- 42,340 cavalry
- 12,330 artillery
- 57,400 Grenzers
- 5,750 engineers, pioneers
- 1,730 others

Oh, thanks. Edited.
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Postby Jamessonia » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:09 pm

Also, Austrian generals were pretty horrible for the most part, since they were promoted due to seniority, instead of ability.
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Postby The Confederacy of Styx » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:15 pm

I might just give the middle finger to history and join the Coalition and avoid the War of 1812. I mean, TJ didn't exactly make friends with the Frenchies after the purchase.
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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:03 pm

OP you invited me. I'll take Russia just hold until tomorrow when I can make a legit app. I can posting on a iPhone
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:43 pm

Jamessonia wrote:Also, Austrian generals were pretty horrible for the most part, since they were promoted due to seniority, instead of ability.

Don't forget the role played by aristocratic connections!

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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:50 pm

The Confederacy of Styx wrote:I might just give the middle finger to history and join the Coalition and avoid the War of 1812. I mean, TJ didn't exactly make friends with the Frenchies after the purchase.

He actually sort of did. Along with Madison. That's why the war of 1812 was fought against Britain. Although they were never close enough for a military alliance, they were never far enough for them to consider fighting against each other. That's mostly because:
1. Both the French revolution and TJ were liberal.
2. Britain and 'Murica had that whole, "I just fought a f*cking war against you and managed to humiliate you while making you lose a huge portion of your tax revenue" thing going on.
3. 'Murica wanted to annex Canada and divide it into states, meaning that the US and Britain had conflicting interests in the region. On the other hand, the French, who were in a fight to the death with the Brits, would have been glad to allow the US that specific part of British territory in return for dividing the British armies and providing large quantities of manpower to help them.

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Postby Alleniana » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:31 pm

Ooh, delicious.
App: Yes, of course.
Nation Name: Alleniana
Country You Wish to Play As: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and All its Bazillion Colonies that make up its Empire
Description of Army: Max capacity of about 250,000 regulars, with currently about 100,000. An excellent military made up of fairly tough men, good officers, and innovative, with Shorncliffe System, for example. Small arms fire of particularly good quality, while artillery and cav aren't too bad either. Made mostly of volunteers, and with a good structure.
Eeeexcellent
Description of Navy: Dozens of ships of the line, frigates, many sloops and whatnot. The foremost navy of the world, the greatest, the best, dominating all the others, with excellent training, good morale, very good technique and tradition, and a generally excellent way of doing things. :D
Description of Economy: A centre of manufacturing and processing, with colonies dumping in raw resources by the shipload. Relatively mercantilist, but trading greatly with many overseas. Strong, excellent, but not particularly kind to lower classes.
Side (Must be same as IRL, but can change IC): Coalition, leader of :lol:

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Postby Quirina » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:05 am

AFAIK, The Two Sicilies is an independent nation ruled by Ferdinand I and was restored for the meantime until December 26 1805. But this RP started in January 1 1805, which makes this nation available. If so, I wanna be the Two Sicilies (then I'll be 'Three Sicilies' when Ferdinand flees again to Sardinia and places his throne there. Sweet... hehe jk :p )
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Postby Alleniana » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:09 am

Quirina wrote:AFAIK, The Two Sicilies is an independent nation ruled by Ferdinand I and was restored for the meantime until December 26 1805. But this RP started in January 1 1805, which makes this nation available. If so, I wanna be the Two Sicilies (then I'll be 'Three Sicilies' when Ferdinand flees again to Sardinia and places his throne there. Sweet... hehe jk :p )

Oh, haha :lol:
Im confused though, all I can find is 1806
EDIT: Wait, nevermind

I'll wait for Llamas; there is conflicting evidence
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Postby Quirina » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:23 am

Alleniana wrote:
Quirina wrote:AFAIK, The Two Sicilies is an independent nation ruled by Ferdinand I and was restored for the meantime until December 26 1805. But this RP started in January 1 1805, which makes this nation available. If so, I wanna be the Two Sicilies (then I'll be 'Three Sicilies' when Ferdinand flees again to Sardinia and places his throne there. Sweet... hehe jk :p )

Oh, haha :lol:
Im confused though, all I can find is 1806
EDIT: Wait, nevermind

I'll wait for Llamas; there is conflicting evidence

23 January 1799 : The Parthenopean Republic was created
13 June 1799 : The Parthenopean Republic ceased to exist after royalists reclaimed Naples
8 July 1799: Ferdinand I arrives in Naples from Sicily, proclaims Two Sicilies
1 January 1805: The RP was set to this date.
26 December 1805 : Naples was invaded by France, Ferdinand flees to Sicily again and The Two Sicilies was formed as Joachim Murat as King of the Two Sicilies.
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Postby Alleniana » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:27 am

Quirina wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Oh, haha :lol:
Im confused though, all I can find is 1806
EDIT: Wait, nevermind

I'll wait for Llamas; there is conflicting evidence

23 January 1799 : The Parthenopean Republic was created
13 June 1799 : The Parthenopean Republic ceased to exist after royalists reclaimed Naples
8 July 1799: Ferdinand I arrives in Naples from Sicily, proclaims Two Sicilies
1 January 1805: The RP was set to this date.
26 December 1805 : Naples was invaded by France, Ferdinand flees to Sicily again and The Two Sicilies was formed as Joachim Murat as King of the Two Sicilies.

Hmm... ok. I have to go now though, so I'll let Llamas take a closer look. I think you;re in the clear, so I think perhaps you should get working on app...?

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Postby Quirina » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:43 am

Nation Name: Quirina
Country You Wish to Play As: Two Sicilies (Naples and Sicily)
Description of Army(Training, approximate numbers, etc.): 55% of the military population
Description of Navy (Training, approximate numbers, etc.): 45% of the military population
Description of Economy (What is it based on, how efficient, how large, etc.): 5 million people (3.5% is mil pop), feudalistic, war economy
Side (Must be same as IRL, but can change IC): Coalition, with limited involvement

EDIT: I'm currently working out the stats of the nation, including annual pop growth, army composition and fleet composition.
Last edited by Quirina on Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Conchabira » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:47 am

Huntmar wrote:
The Republic of Llamas wrote:1. Alright, I recommend you read a bit on the Napoleonic wars. Basic knowledge of how they worked would have stopped the fiasco that is this app.
2. I thought you wanted to be Spain? A smaller or less important country might be better to get you acclimated to historical RPing.

1. I know, but I'm looking for how the military fought, and how strong they were.
2. I couldn't find ANY information on Spain, plus they weren't part of the Armee at the time, I don't think. Prussia would have been much easier.
And to answer James' question, it's because when I find the size of the Armee's numbers on Wikipedia, there are around 500,000, 35,000 of them Austrians.



Whoa I am Austria!

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Postby Conchabira » Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:50 am

Huntmar wrote:
Paketo wrote:
sorry but this guy already claimed Austria

Yeah, I noticed that. But he didn't fill out an app. So I'll renounce my claim and work on an app until he submits one.



There are apps now i was only gone for a couple of hours what happened?

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Postby Saragrossa » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:32 am

I don't think anyone who is Prussia realizes their army is super outdated hence why France whooped their ass
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:42 am

Alleniana wrote:Ooh, delicious.
App: Yes, of course.
Nation Name: Alleniana
Country You Wish to Play As: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and All its Bazillion Colonies that make up its Empire
Description of Army: Max capacity of about 250,000 regulars, with currently about 100,000. An excellent military made up of fairly tough men, good officers, and innovative, with Shorncliffe System, for example. Small arms fire of particularly good quality, while artillery and cav aren't too bad either. Made mostly of volunteers, and with a good structure.
Eeeexcellent
Description of Navy: Dozens of ships of the line, frigates, many sloops and whatnot. The foremost navy of the world, the greatest, the best, dominating all the others, with excellent training, good morale, very good technique and tradition, and a generally excellent way of doing things. :D
Description of Economy: A centre of manufacturing and processing, with colonies dumping in raw resources by the shipload. Relatively mercantilist, but trading greatly with many overseas. Strong, excellent, but not particularly kind to lower classes.
Side (Must be same as IRL, but can change IC): Coalition, leader of :lol:

Accepted.
Saragrossa wrote:I don't think anyone who is Prussia realizes their army is super outdated hence why France whooped their ass

They think they're inheriting the awesome army of Frederick the great, probably.
Huntmar wrote:And to answer James' question, it's because when I find the size of the Armee's numbers on Wikipedia, there are around 500,000, 35,000 of them Austrians.

That was the amount of Austrians who volunteered to be in the Grande Armée while Napoleon was allied with them. In 1805, Austria and France were enemies.
Quirina wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Oh, haha :lol:
Im confused though, all I can find is 1806
EDIT: Wait, nevermind

I'll wait for Llamas; there is conflicting evidence

23 January 1799 : The Parthenopean Republic was created
13 June 1799 : The Parthenopean Republic ceased to exist after royalists reclaimed Naples
8 July 1799: Ferdinand I arrives in Naples from Sicily, proclaims Two Sicilies
1 January 1805: The RP was set to this date.
26 December 1805 : Naples was invaded by France, Ferdinand flees to Sicily again and The Two Sicilies was formed as Joachim Murat as King of the Two Sicilies.

It wasn't called the Two Sicilies, that came later. It was just called the Kingdom of Sicily. I accidentally named it Kingdom of Naples in the OP.
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Huntmar wrote:Yeah, I noticed that. But he didn't fill out an app. So I'll renounce my claim and work on an app until he submits one.

There are apps now i was only gone for a couple of hours what happened?

I added apps. That's about it. I recommend you get working on yours, I'm only reserving your spot till the end of the day.
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Postby Quirina » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:55 am

Here's my corresponding app for that:

Nation Name: Quirina
Country You Wish to Play As: Sicily
Description of Army(Training, approximate numbers, etc.): 55% of the military population
Description of Navy (Training, approximate numbers, etc.): 45% of the military population
Description of Economy (What is it based on, how efficient, how large, etc.): 5 million people (3.5% is mil pop), feudalistic, war economy
Side (Must be same as IRL, but can change IC): Coalition, with limited involvement
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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:18 am

The Republic of Llamas wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:Also, Austrian generals were pretty horrible for the most part, since they were promoted due to seniority, instead of ability.

Don't forget the role played by aristocratic connections!


And the ability to royally screw everything up so that the Austrian Army ends up fighting against itself... And losing.
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Postby Saragrossa » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:32 am

Nation Name: Saragrossa
Country You Wish to Play As: The Kingdom of Russia
Description of Army(Training, approximate numbers, etc.): Russia has one field army of up to European Standards of Drill/Line at 50,000 - This is the standing army however has a vast conscript pool which can be called ( I think Napoleonic war estimates were up to 950,000 men at full mobilization at the height of their Empire )
Description of Navy (Training, approximate numbers, etc.):Russian Navy is decent, it is not a global navy power however it is strong enough to hold black sea/baltic sea at roughly Sixteen Ships of Line,
Description of Economy (What is it based on, how efficient, how large, etc.): Very large, agricultural based economy that is getting into manufacturing.
Side(Must be same as IRL, but can change IC): Coaliation however Russia is neutral ( they joined the first two at the end to reap some benefits lol )
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Postby The Confederacy of Styx » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:07 pm

The Republic of Llamas wrote:
The Confederacy of Styx wrote:I might just give the middle finger to history and join the Coalition and avoid the War of 1812. I mean, TJ didn't exactly make friends with the Frenchies after the purchase.

He actually sort of did. Along with Madison. That's why the war of 1812 was fought against Britain. Although they were never close enough for a military alliance, they were never far enough for them to consider fighting against each other. That's mostly because:
1. Both the French revolution and TJ were liberal.
2. Britain and 'Murica had that whole, "I just fought a f*cking war against you and managed to humiliate you while making you lose a huge portion of your tax revenue" thing going on.
3. 'Murica wanted to annex Canada and divide it into states, meaning that the US and Britain had conflicting interests in the region. On the other hand, the French, who were in a fight to the death with the Brits, would have been glad to allow the US that specific part of British territory in return for dividing the British armies and providing large quantities of manpower to help them.


1. Since when was TJ a lib? He was a Democratic-Republican, wanted America to be agricultural and hated big gov't. Doesn't sound like a liberal to me. Well, I guess he fits the description of a classical liberal, which is totally different than a modern liberal.
2. This is 1805, before the war started...
3. Fair enough, but as you said the French might just do something to piss off the mighty 'Murica. We'll see.
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Postby Huntmar » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:14 pm

Till the end of the day? I need to get working. Someone, please give me info about Austria!
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77
I do consider myself a centrist, but I lean more left than right.

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Postby Jamessonia » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Huntmar wrote:Till the end of the day? I need to get working. Someone, please give me info about Austria!

What do you need?
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Postby Lunas Legion » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:16 pm

Huntmar wrote:Till the end of the day? I need to get working. Someone, please give me info about Austria!


Other than the army was a mix of at least 6 different ethnic groups none of whom could understand the German officers and that your army is so disorganized it can defeat itself, little.
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