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Postby Feux » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:25 pm

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Milograd wrote:This is clearly progress: the next step is to abolish the nobility.

But we've only just set it up :P

That and all the royal family members. I still want my title dammit! :P
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Postby Gullibles Travels » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:43 am

Milograd wrote:On a personal note, I hope that this lays any doubts about my inclinations to perpetuate and promote the sort of actions I performed in TSP to rest. Some people have had doubts about that and I've grown tired of repeating my insistence on it. I must admit that I'm still wondering if this resignation is some kind of bizarre test of my integrity, but I was being genuine when I said that I'm done with coups. I'd like to finally be able to move on with my game experience without a mistake that I regret, have apologized for, and have tried to make right on being held over my head at every turn.

With that said, I've been asked to coup by a variety of persons over telegram -- you guys know who you are, and please leave me be. The answer is "no". Thanks.


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Postby Ashatwe » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:03 am

McMasterdonia wrote:What...

I wonder how the monarchy will survive socialism :p a good old regicide perhaps....

Are you implying that someone should get rid of the Queen? :o
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Postby Elric of Melnibone » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:54 pm

Drop Your Pants wrote:
Milograd wrote:This is clearly progress: the next step is to abolish the nobility.

But we've only just set it up :P

Well, this nobility. Hardly the first time Lazarus has had nobility. [/oldmanstories]

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Postby Feux » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:16 pm

Elric of Melnibone wrote:
Drop Your Pants wrote:But we've only just set it up :P

Well, this nobility. Hardly the first time Lazarus has had nobility. [/oldmanstories]

DYP was referring to the law passed after Mandate 7 that installed nobility titles, but yes, Lazarus has a long history of nobility.
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Postby Harmoneia » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:55 am

It was first introduced as an executive order by Dezzland if I can remember correctly. It was eiyher Dezzland or Northern Chittowa. But before the invasion of United Luckians, Lazarus was a flat out bureaucratic democracy.

The Monarchy was initially Posul's idea - a foreign ambassador from GB&I at the time.Then after that came endless Mandates :P

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Postby Drop Your Pants » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:07 am

Pretty sure it was Dezz. There was even a graphic with each rank.
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Postby The Lazarene Gazette » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:43 pm

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Harmony Settles over Mother Lazarus


The delegate of Lazarus is truly wise!

In a bold step of revolutionary patriotism, former Queen Harmoneia has renounced all trappings of monarchy and embraced a socialist paradise for the elder sinker. The heroic move came on the heels of growing calls for equality between the classes. As a gesture of gratitude towards her benevolent wisdom, Harmoneia was proudly declared by all the people to be the first 'Chairwoman' of the the Socialist Harmonious Society of Lazarus; the only legitimate government for the People's Republic of Lazarus.

In the new society, the rights and liberties of both the in-game and forum participants of the elder sinker are enshrined in the newly adopted Constitution, side by side with a powerful statement against counter-revolutionaries who would hinder progress.

Through representation in the 'People's Congress', common Lazarenes will have a voice as never before on how their region runs. In fact, even those who make the decision to not join the SHSL may join the Congress. Truly the Chairwoman is blind to class!

In a glorious speech before the Gate of New Lazarus in the Scarlet City, Harmoneia proclaimed that:

Today is a new day. Today, we march towards the glorious days of Lazarus ahead! Now, in order to prepare the path towards a harmonious society, I hereby dissolve ministry positions, as well as the former council. Elections for the People's Congress will shortly follow, and after that, or simultaneously so, the appointments for new Governors will ensue.

It is a wonderful and promising moment, my friends.
Onwards towards a better tomorrow!


Meanwhile, the few counter-revolutionaries rooted out so far, including a man caught in the act of jaywalking in the Scarlet City, have only given the oligarch-fueled response of, "It's all Milograd's fault."

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Rank Rach Revisionism


Revisionism; a plague upon the people.

Renowned egotist Rachel Anumia has drawn the ire of those following the socialist path to harmony worldwide when she recently attempted to infect her 'allies' with the illness.

Rather than making her statement in front of her motley cabal of duckspeaking sycophant Boureois, Rach made the ill-advised decision to include an attack on Lazarus and her people in an otherwise mundane diplomatic update.

On top of declaring that former Lazarus delegate Feux banned several notorious subversives 'on a whim', Rach shamelessly used her soapbox to attempt to fracture the harmony of Lazarus itself by 'complimenting' Chairwoman (then Queen) Harmoneia. Those whose eyes are not blind to the truth, or who reject the or who reject the attention-seeking politics of the Imperialists, know that this cannot be true. After all, how could Feux have acted on a whim if the people's representatives in the Council supported the swift revolutionary-banjection? How could Harmoneia be praised by the imperialist, or, as they like to brand themselves for PR purposes, "independent" front in Balder when she remains a staunch fighter of exploitationist factions for any reason other than to splinter the people?

Clearly Rach is all bluff and bluster. She has even gone so far as to point to the 'support' of other delegates in order to coast on their popularity, since she couldn't find a workable argument in her bag of tricks. She does not even seem to realize that one such delegate, 'Lord Protector' Belshcaft, is a member of the notorious 'Anti-Party Clique' of The South Pacific! Or perhaps she does, which would be all too telling about the extent of the imperialist clique's influence in its subservient feeder outposts.

Worst of all, when Rach herself visited the Lazarus delegation to explain her 'motives', or rather present a facade, she was seen crossing the street before given the signal! Is such a woman truly in charge of a sinker?




Other Tales from Paradise


  • A rise in the kulak mortality rate has some demographers scratching their heads.
  • Codger's welcome post got over two pages
  • Lazarus' songwriters are hard at work crafting new patriotic anthems
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Postby Anarchic Plains » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:52 pm

The Lazarene Gazette wrote:Revisionism; a plague upon the people.

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Postby Kantrian Recruiter » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:57 pm

So she stops being Queen to...be the exact same positon with largely the same powers...and now with no elections for the slow. sooooooooo noble.

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Postby Frattastan II » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:00 pm

Bizarre. :P
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Postby Bicross fountain » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:30 pm

So cool! Let the revolution continue.
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:38 pm

How sad to see a once proud and independent region reduced to peddling Milogradian nonsense.
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:46 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:How sad to see a once proud and independent region reduced to peddling Milogradian nonsense.


Curious how some gameplayers use the term, "independent" not to mean "politically independent" but a particularly type of military ideology. In all actually, "independent" is realism, which limits people from pursuing any sort of idealism ... thereby not actually making a region freer, it ties it down. A truely indepedent region would be just as open to becoming defender as it would be bi-gameplayer. ;)

The use of these terms is to shut down debate; for years forces have sought to project their power on smaller founderless regions and "Independence" is just another means of justifying this system of oppression.
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Postby South Pacific Belschaft » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:57 pm

Unibot III wrote:
South Pacific Belschaft wrote:How sad to see a once proud and independent region reduced to peddling Milogradian nonsense.


Curious how some gameplayers use the term, "independent" not to mean "politically independent" but a particularly type of military ideology. In all actually, "independent" is realism, which limits people from pursuing any sort of idealism ... thereby not actually making a region freer, it ties it down. A truely indepedent region would be just as open to becoming defender as it would be bi-gameplayer. ;)

The use of these terms is to shut down debate; for years forces have sought to project their power on smaller founderless regions and "Independence" is just another means of justifying this system of oppression.

I actually meant independent as in 'independent minded'. Milograds pseudo-communist nonsense has just been imported directly from his coup and used to replace Lazarus own traditions.
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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:00 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:How sad to see a once proud and independent region reduced to peddling Milogradian nonsense.

Last I checked, Lazarus simply underwent a peaceful change in the style of government. No coups, no purges, no JAL. How are they no longer independent?
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Postby Milograd » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:15 pm

NPU is correct.

All of this was performed legally and with the approval of the Emerald Council. We've moved towards a stronger executive that is accountable to the congress, and we're seeking to close the gap between the region and the government, while also stirring more interest, by building closer links between our society and government. We've also decided to have the government take up more roles, all while trying to apply socialism to the best of our ability in a region.

Of course, putting socialism into a game like NS presents a bit of a challenge, but we're doing what we can. SPSR wasn't actually socialist as much as it was a parody, as was fairly obvious to most people who can read in between the lines. More changes are planned to come in the near future -- the army will be undergoing a revamp and a significant ideological shift, for example.

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Unibot III wrote:
Curious how some gameplayers use the term, "independent" not to mean "politically independent" but a particularly type of military ideology. In all actually, "independent" is realism, which limits people from pursuing any sort of idealism ... thereby not actually making a region freer, it ties it down. A truely indepedent region would be just as open to becoming defender as it would be bi-gameplayer. ;)

The use of these terms is to shut down debate; for years forces have sought to project their power on smaller founderless regions and "Independence" is just another means of justifying this system of oppression.

I actually meant independent as in 'independent minded'. Milograds pseudo-communist nonsense has just been imported directly from his coup and used to replace Lazarus own traditions.

I have yet to see mention of minnows or oligarchs.

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South Pacific Belschaft wrote:How sad to see a once proud and independent region reduced to peddling Milogradian nonsense.

Last I checked, Lazarus simply underwent a peaceful change in the style of government. No coups, no purges, no JAL. How are they no longer independent.

Indeed. It's our choice to do what we want with our government. The delegate of The South Pacific doesn't get to decide whether or not we're independent, nor do we care about his opinion.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if TSP passed a repeal of the Lazarus-TSP treaty declaring us illegitimate now. After all, Asta isn't the legitimate delegate of Osiris, right? :p
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Postby Wickedly evil people » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:32 pm

Bel is delusional anyway, ignore him and he'll implode
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Postby Daynor » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:36 pm

It's a shame Lazarus went with this theme, very offensive to so many people. :(

The 'Chairman' who first created this theme was a genocidal monster, and this is no better than a renaming its delegate as the Führer of Lazarus.
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Postby Feux » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:16 pm

Daynor wrote:It's a shame Lazarus went with this theme, very offensive to so many people. :(

The 'Chairman' who first created this theme was a genocidal monster, and this is no better than a renaming its delegate as the Führer of Lazarus.

I wouldn't compare Nazis to Communist, I heard they don't like that.
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Postby Daynor » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:36 pm

Feux wrote:
Daynor wrote:It's a shame Lazarus went with this theme, very offensive to so many people. :(

The 'Chairman' who first created this theme was a genocidal monster, and this is no better than a renaming its delegate as the Führer of Lazarus.

I wouldn't compare Nazis to Communist, I heard they don't like that.

Probably because they got out genocided, out human rights violated, and out brutally tyranted. That, or they lost a war. :P
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:50 pm

Comparing Chairman Mao with Hitler is I think a bit unfair. Most of the deaths attributed to Hitler or Stalin were a systematic bureaucracy of murder... Chairman Mao's economic policies had the unintended consequence of widespread famine.
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Postby Afforess » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:52 pm

South Pacific Belschaft wrote:How sad to see a once proud and independent region reduced to peddling Milogradian nonsense.


*Coughs*. You were concerned about TSP's stability index? It appears other regions are busy racing to the bottom. Capitalist Paradise Ministry of the Interior actuaries have noted the government regime change in Lazarus and are advising friendly natives and regional expatriates to leave as soon as possible.

Unibot III wrote:Comparing Chairman Mao with Hitler is I think a bit unfair. Most of the deaths attributed to Hitler or Stalin were a systematic bureaucracy of murder... Chairman Mao's economic policies had the unintended consequence of widespread famine.

I was under the impression that Mao's policies were quite intentional.
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Postby Daynor » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:10 pm

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Unibot III wrote:Comparing Chairman Mao with Hitler is I think a bit unfair. Most of the deaths attributed to Hitler or Stalin were a systematic bureaucracy of murder... Chairman Mao's economic policies had the unintended consequence of widespread famine.

I was under the impression that Mao's policies were quite intentional.

Starvation due to the Great Leap Forward could be claimed to be an accident. I would dispute highly that Mao was unaware of the death he was bringing, but rather he thought it was worth it. The Cultural Revolution and the arrest, murder, imprisonment, mistreatment etc. of Chinese people was indeed very much intentional, however. Though we're getting off into more of a topic for General.

My point still stands, putting genocidal criminals on a pedestal is bad, and Lazarus should feel bad. This highly bothered me during the TSP coup, but there were other issues at hand. The fact that this was chosen democratically in a community and has been commented positively upon by people who go so far to bash anyone who uses the term 'fascist' further highlights for me how much of the controversy and outrage coming from certain circles recently are more or less manufactured just to be able to say the region(s) stand for something.
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Postby Afforess » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:19 pm

Daynor wrote:
Afforess wrote:I was under the impression that Mao's policies were quite intentional.

Starvation due to the Great Leap Forward could be claimed to be an accident. I would dispute highly that Mao was unaware of the death he was bringing, but rather he thought it was worth it.


Mao was well aware of the damage, even if his own cognitive dissonance hid it from himself. Further, there is no "point" at which death is "worth it". Lives are priceless and can not be traded for gains. Those who think otherwise are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
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