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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:54 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
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What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No debate on them?

The debate has been going on for 2 days or so.


No it has not, we are waiting for a decision by Yan about when catagory was next at vote.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:55 pm

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Ainin wrote:Doesn't that mean it would get added to Order D, Mr. PpT?


Well actually TASOPA says that bills cannot enter a category when that category is at debate, I believe.

....Which I've just realized I did with the other three bills in this category. :palm: :blush: I would say we could correct the error by moving on to the next category now, and leaving the current bills and Costa's for when Order comes around a second time. We could also apply this mistake uniformly, or just allow it this one time? Damn, I screwed that up. Unless I missed something in the law?


See, this was never clarified so no vote can happen yet. This still need clearing up.
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Postby Beta Test » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:59 pm

Mr. Vice President, tell me how can bills go to vote without being debated?
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Postby Lamaredia » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:59 pm

TEA: Aye
SWA: Aye
TZA: Nay (If the country is large enough you split the country into different timezones. Also, why not adhere to daylight saving? Why should we be different?)
AYSA: Aye
SMA: Aye
TOAEA: Abstain
NCRA: Aye
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Postby Venaleria » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Beta Test wrote:Mr. Vice President, tell me how can bills go to vote without being debated?


I was unclear as to how this was being sorted out. I will ask that the votes are stopped so that I may ask the admins and the PpT about this. Please be patient for further info.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Venaleria wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Mr. Vice President, tell me how can bills go to vote without being debated?


I was unclear as to how this was being sorted out. I will ask that the votes are stopped so that I may ask the admins and the PpT about this. Please be patient for further info.


Thanks.
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Postby New Waterford » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:05 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
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What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No debate on them?

The debate has been going on for 2 days or so.

No, it hasn't. That was the debate for Order Category, Section C.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:16 pm

ADMIN HAT ON!

Stop the vote, we're not going to do it right now. Here's what's going to happen:
1. The bills introduced during Order C debate into that category will be added now.
2. We will have debate on Misc.
3. We will vote on Misc.
4. We will have debate on Order C.
5. We will vote on Order C.
6. We will then move to the next category, whether that be a second section of Misc. or whatever the next category is.

Any questions?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:17 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:ADMIN HAT ON!

Stop the vote, we're not going to do it right now. Here's what's going to happen:
1. The bills introduced during Order C debate into that category will be added now.
2. We will have debate on Misc.
3. We will vote on Misc.
4. We will have debate on Order C.
5. We will vote on Order C.
6. We will then move to the next category, whether that be a second section of Misc. or whatever the next category is.

Any questions?


Yes, should we not be going all the way round before we get back to order C?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:20 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:ADMIN HAT ON!

Stop the vote, we're not going to do it right now. Here's what's going to happen:
1. The bills introduced during Order C debate into that category will be added now.
2. We will have debate on Misc.
3. We will vote on Misc.
4. We will have debate on Order C.
5. We will vote on Order C.
6. We will then move to the next category, whether that be a second section of Misc. or whatever the next category is.

Any questions?


Yes, should we not be going all the way round before we get back to order C?

No.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
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Yes, should we not be going all the way round before we get back to order C?

No.


Why, are we not breaking with the law?
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Postby Britanno » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Can I ask if anyone will be voting nay on the Youth Senate Act?

I'd be more than happy to defend it.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:30 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:No.


Why, are we not breaking with the law?

In extraordinary circumstances where there's a one time mistake, we need a one time solution that's fair and balanced. This matter is closed, and debate has begun on the miscellaneous category now.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:33 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
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Why, are we not breaking with the law?

In extraordinary circumstances where there's a one time mistake, we need a one time solution that's fair and balanced. This matter is closed, and debate has begun on the miscellaneous category now.


I would like to say, you always say that yet these situations keep happening. The law is there for a reason so we should follow it, its not fair that all the other bills get pushed back in the vote queue because of a mistake that had not happened would see them voted on sooner.
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:38 pm

The Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act has enough sponsors to be added to the Health category... Can we please have someone update the legislation queues.... There are like 5 bills last page and we probably have more yet to come!

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act
Urgency: High | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Health
Co-sponsors: Geilnor [NDP], Gothmogs [NDP], Beta Test [NDP], Malgrave [MSP], FreeOlesia [IND], Agritum [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Placenza [AB]


Preamble
Recognizing that excessive drinking is a social and health problem that can lead to preventable deaths,

Believing that the widespread availability of inexpensive alcohol contributes to this problem,

Hereby passes the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act


Section I – Minimum Price of Alcohol
1. Alcohol must not be sold in any location at a price below its minimum price.
2. Where alcohol is supplied together with other products or services for a single price, sub-paragraph (1) applies as if the alcohol were supplied on its own for that price.
3. The minimum price of alcohol is to be calculated according to the following formula—
    MPU x S x V x 100
Where —
    MPU is the minimum price per unit,
    S is the strength of the alcohol, and
    V is the volume of the alcohol in litres.
4. The Minister of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the minimum price per unit for the purposes of sub-paragraph (3).
5. For the purposes of sub-paragraph (3), where —
    (a) the alcohol is contained in a bottle or other container, and
    (b) the bottle or other container is marked or labelled in accordance with relevant labelling provisions,
the strength is taken to be the alcoholic strength by volume as indicated by the mark or label.
6. The Ministry of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the enactments which are relevant labelling provisions for the purposes of sub-paragraph (5).
7. The penalty for refusing to comply with the provisions of this act shall be a fine of twice the revenue earned from the sale of alcohol below the minimum price.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:24 am

Revenue Collection and Defence of Aurentine Citizenship Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | SIMBEDS: Domestic Development | Urgency: Paramount
Sponsors: Unicario [RG], Maklohi Vai [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Glasgia [MSP]

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Abhorred at the recent attempts by prominent senators of Aurentina to evade the taxes of this nation,

Affirming that persons who do not pay taxes without a legitimate reason should not have the right to represent Aurentines,

Deploring these practices as not worthy of an elected representative of the Aurentine state,

Prime Minister Alexander Ainin [Poort-Wüdinge - 299] hereby tables the Revenue Collection and Defence of Aurentine Citizenship Act, which is as follows:

Article I
  1. Valid reason is defined as the person in question being in an income tax bracket that mandates none are paid, or being able to prove their situation made it virtually impossible (to be further defined by the Minister of the Exchequer, even if post facto) to pay taxes.
  2. Income tax is defined as the tax levied by the Government of Aurentina, or a subordinate jurisdiction, on yearly income.
  3. Citizen is defined as a person holding citizenship in the Aurentine Commonwealth.
  4. Public Office is defined as a position within the Aurentine government elected through popular vote.
  5. Office is defined as a position where an hourly salary is paid for by the public sector.
  6. £ is defined as the Pound Sterling (GBP).
Article II - No Representation Without Taxation
  1. All citizens are mandated to declare income from employment held anywhere in the world when filing for income tax. Failure to do so is tax evasion, a contravention. If the amount of defrauded money is superior to £1,000,000, it is high tax evasion, a derelict, and tax evasion charges may arrive on top.
  2. Persons who fail to pay their income taxes without valid reason are prohibited from either holding office or public office. Anyone who is currently either holding office or public office may be removed at the discretion of a judge following a conviction for this offence.
  3. If the person refuses to appear in court on a set date for a hearing without being able to prove their situation made it virtually impossible, the President of Aurentina may immediately terminate their public office or office at hir discretion.
Article III - Universal Taxation
  1. All persons holding Aurentine citizenship must pay yearly income tax rates, from any location in the world. Failure to do so two years in a row, or after a long record of tax evasion, without valid reason, will lead to the cancellation of their citizenship, if they are also holding the citizenship of another nation (dual citizenship). If they hold solely Aurentine citizenship, the Ministry of Justice shall be mandated to issue an international warrant for the individual's arrest.
  2. The individual in question may only reapply for citizenship by filing an appeal with an Aurentine civil court.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:30 am

In light of the deadly crash in Northwest Leishaagen, I move to bring Domestic Development A to an immediate vote.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:34 am

Ainin wrote:In light of the deadly crash in Northwest Leishaagen, I move to bring Domestic Development A to an immediate vote.


Yeah ILLEGAL

You can't motion to skip debate, only increase the debating period.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:35 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ainin wrote:In light of the deadly crash in Northwest Leishaagen, I move to bring Domestic Development A to an immediate vote.


Yeah ILLEGAL

You can't motion to skip debate, only increase the debating period.

Sorry, that came out wrong.

I move to bring Domestic Development to the top of the queue.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:43 am

Ainin wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Yeah ILLEGAL

You can't motion to skip debate, only increase the debating period.

Sorry, that came out wrong.

I move to bring Domestic Development to the top of the queue.


ah better :)

Would not safety and order be better to deal with such crises?

I would motion for that.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:44 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ainin wrote:Sorry, that came out wrong.

I move to bring Domestic Development to the top of the queue.


ah better :)

Would not safty and order be better to deal with such crises?

The Transport Safety Act, which creates the air crash investigation office we need right now, is in Domestic Development.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:45 am

Ainin wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Yeah ILLEGAL

You can't motion to skip debate, only increase the debating period.

Sorry, that came out wrong.

I move to bring Domestic Development to the top of the queue.


If this motion needs seconds, I shall second it.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:47 am

Ainin wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
ah better :)

Would not safty and order be better to deal with such crises?

The Transport Safety Act, which creates the air crash investigation office we need right now, is in Domestic Development.


Oh, well I motion The Transport Safety Act to be moved into the safety and order category.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:48 am

Why? Crash investigations are the jurisdiction of the Transportation Ministry, which is in Domestic Development.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:49 am

Ainin wrote:Why? Crash investigations are the jurisdiction of the Transportation Ministry, which is in Domestic Development.


Its a safety act and should go in the safety category.
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