Why do Leftist states in NationStates have happier ppl?

[Kimvodkastan]

I've looked up the stats. And all states with Left-Wing policies and communism have longer lifespans, happier citizens and better weather etc...


Hasn't Capitalism increased our lifespans?
Hasn't Capitalism treated us well with all sorts of items?

I think NationStates should become less biased and let the happiness/weather/etc... be rated on how single issues are being treated, not on the overall system.

[San Leggera]

They have happier ppl because they bought more vowels.

[HappyShark]

because of all the freebies

[Tubbsalot]

Capitalism

Would it blow your mind if I told you a person could be both left-wing and capitalist?

[HappyShark]

Capitalism

Would it blow your mind if I told you a person could be both left-wing and capitalist?

Carnegie ?

[Mavorpen]

I've looked up the stats. And all states with Left-Wing policies and communism have longer lifespans, happier citizens and better weather etc...


Hasn't Capitalism increased our lifespans?
Hasn't Capitalism treated us well with all sorts of items?

I think NationStates should become less biased and let the happiness/weather/etc... be rated on how single issues are being treated, not on the overall system.

Is this supposed to be a discussion thread about capitalism and left-wing nations in general, or just restricted to NS? If it's the latter, I don't think NSG is the proper place for this.

[Cameroi]

dare i to suggest, because they just might in real life too?

i don't mean to suggest there is any uniformity to this, or even that influence of ideology is always all that direct.
however, as long as lowering or eliminating ideological barriers is considered 'left', this is no more nor less then is reasonably to be expected.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

I've looked up the stats. And all states with Left-Wing policies and communism have longer lifespans, happier citizens and better weather etc...


Hasn't Capitalism increased our lifespans?
Hasn't Capitalism treated us well with all sorts of items?

I think NationStates should become less biased and let the happiness/weather/etc... be rated on how single issues are being treated, not on the overall system.

1) Technology did, capitalism used to reduce it not too long ago.

2) Not all of us. Or most anymore.

[Mkuki]

I've looked up the stats. And all states with Left-Wing policies and communism have longer lifespans, happier citizens and better weather etc...

I think NationStates should become less biased and let the happiness/weather/etc... be rated on how single issues are being treated, not on the overall system.

1. Define this "happiness".
2. Economic systems do neither of those things.
3. Would you mind showing these stats you claim to have found?

Hasn't Capitalism increased our lifespans?
Hasn't Capitalism treated us well with all sorts of items?

1. I've seen no corresponding information.
2. No. It's not treated everyone well. I'd argue not even the majority of people have benefited positively from capitalism.

[Hallistar]

I don't think it's necessarily that many of them that are happier, although I guess it depends on whether its the economy, political or civil rights that are more left. Mine is more left than right but the happiness is average.

That said, I think Max did say that this game's treatment of answering issues is supposed to be satirically extreme (For example, you choosing an obviously moderate issue option and next thing you know, poets in your fantasy nation are being rounded up and shot S.S. style). So if you're very leftist your nation might be portrayed as an eco hipster pacifist state, and if very right it'll be the opposite, etc.

[Shofercia]

I've looked up the stats. And all states with Left-Wing policies and communism have longer lifespans, happier citizens and better weather etc...


Hasn't Capitalism increased our lifespans?
Hasn't Capitalism treated us well with all sorts of items?

I think NationStates should become less biased and let the happiness/weather/etc... be rated on how single issues are being treated, not on the overall system.

Weather is rated on how little you pollute your country, and how much you promote education and tourism. I have better weather as a Centrist, than I did as a Socialist.

[Genivaria]

1. Because civil liberties usually make people happy.
2. Leftist and Capitalist aren't mutually exclusive.

[Arglorand]

Maybe because there's a state that actually works for the people, rather than does nothing or abuses the people?

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Maybe because there's a state that actually works for the people, rather than does nothing or abuses the people?

Atlantis?

[Genivaria]

Maybe because there's a state that actually works for the people, rather than does nothing or abuses the people?

Communist! Arrest him!!!

[Arglorand]

Maybe because there's a state that actually works for the people, rather than does nothing or abuses the people?

Atlantis?

No, I mean, in the typical leftist NS nation.

[Mkuki]

Atlantis?

No, I mean, in the typical leftist NS nation.

I didn't even realize this was for NS nations. Goddamit.

[Genivaria]

No, I mean, in the typical leftist NS nation.

I didn't even realize this was for NS nations. Goddamit.

The thread doesn't belong in General anyway so it's hardly your fault.

[Nationstatesology]

Kimvodkastan the thing you need to understand first is the connections between the words Left, Liberal, and Authoritarian, within the context of politics.

Liberal at one time stood for liberty,
Today Left and Liberal are commonly associated,
And within the last 50-100 years Authoritarians have taken to calling themselves Liberals.

Authoritarians took on the False banner of Liberal because the old methods of state control over the populace had become unpopular so the only way to bring these methods back involved pretending to be what is considered popular, as well as to smear the reputation of the most liberty aligned ideology of that time.

As a result left in some peoples mind gains the reputation of old Liberal, but due to modern influence of Authoritarians that hide behind this banner that reputation gets falsely placed onto ideologies that rely on some form of Authoritarianism to function, Communism and socialism being so closely associated with the Left and historically with Authoritarianism.

This whole site is a monument to the confusion of ideologies so expect there to be a lot of bias on this site and in the game that will be pro statism but will not admit to being pro statism.

[The Parkus Empire]

Capitalism is an improvement over aristocracy. NationStates generally reflects happier people with a leftist government because "people" includes more than, "Rich, white, straight, cisgender, religious male."

[Agritum]

Kimvodkastan the thing you need to understand first is the connections between the words Left, Liberal, and Authoritarian, within the context of politics.

Liberal at one time stood for liberty,
Today Left and Liberal are commonly associated,
And within the last 50-100 years Authoritarians have taken to calling themselves Liberals.

Authoritarians took on the False banner of Liberal because the old methods of state control over the populace had become unpopular so the only way to bring these methods back involved pretending to be what is considered popular, as well as to smear the reputation of the most liberty aligned ideology of that time.

As a result left in some peoples mind gains the reputation of old Liberal, but due to modern influence of Authoritarians that hide behind this banner that reputation gets falsely placed onto ideologies that rely on some form of Authoritarianism to function, Communism and socialism being so closely associated with the Left and historically with Authoritarianism.

This whole site is a monument to the confusion of ideologies so expect there to be a lot of bias on this site and in the game that will be pro statism but will not admit to being pro statism.

10/10 tell us more.

[The Parkus Empire]

dare i to suggest, because they just might in real life too?

i don't mean to suggest there is any uniformity to this, or even that influence of ideology is always all that direct.
however, as long as lowering or eliminating ideological barriers is considered 'left', this is no more nor less then is reasonably to be expected.

The moment an idea exceeds a musing it becomes an ideology, philosophy, religion, ect.

[Ardchoille]

Sorry, guys, this has become so mixed up between a Gameplay question and a Generalite question that I can't salvage it.

Kimvodkastan, if you want to discuss statistics in your NS nation, the places to do it are Got Issues, where answers will concentrate on individual issues and what results you can expect from them, or Gameplay, where you could ask something like "Will moving my nation to the left make my people happier? Can I do it without affecting my economy?" Here's a Gameplay mod explaining what should go in that forum:

... Nation management involves general points on changing a nation's stats through issues. However, questions on specific issues should go in the Got Issues forum. <snip>

If you want to make a General thread, you should be making a generalised, real-world question about whether (real) people are happier in (real) countries that are politically left-wing, such as (insert country here). You could ask players to explain why they agree or disagree. You should give your own opinion, and preferably quote evidence or refer to whatever set you thinking about the topic. So it would be fair to say, "Looking at the way my NS nation has developed, I'm wondering if real-life countries .... (etc)". Just make it clear that you want to talk abour real life.