by Crystal Spires » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:04 pm
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by Agritum » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:10 pm
by Avenio » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:14 pm
Crystal Spires wrote:So, if we remove the problem of the existence of evil and declare God to be impotent in the face of evil like we are, why would one be hostile to the idea of a limited theistic God?
by Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:15 pm
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by Crystal Spires » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:19 pm
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by Tiltjuice » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:20 pm
by Crystal Spires » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:21 pm
Avenio wrote:Because belief without evidence should be seen with a due amount of skepticism, irregardless of how many philosophical problems one waves away or how impotent and nebulous it is?
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by Seitonjin » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:22 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:22 pm
by Crystal Spires » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:22 pm
Tiltjuice wrote:I don't object to theism. I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge its existence.
I object to theists attempting to convert me. No matter how subtly it's done. It's not their affair what I choose to believe.
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by Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:23 pm
Crystal Spires wrote:Avenio wrote:Because belief without evidence should be seen with a due amount of skepticism, irregardless of how many philosophical problems one waves away or how impotent and nebulous it is?
The topic is about Anti-theism, not Atheism. I am an Atheist and thus don't think there is evidence at all, but this doesn't merit hostility toward the concept of a God.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by The Steel Magnolia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:23 pm
by Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:26 pm
The Steel Magnolia wrote:Probably because Anti-Theists are assholes.
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Anachronous Rex » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:26 pm
by Tiltjuice » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:26 pm
Crystal Spires wrote:Tiltjuice wrote:I don't object to theism. I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge its existence.
I object to theists attempting to convert me. No matter how subtly it's done. It's not their affair what I choose to believe.
Well no, but again, the concept of a theistic god is nothing I feel is necessary to be hostile about. As an atheist it is akin to getting mad at a character in a fairy tale. It's pointless to get so riled up and angry about it.
by Crystal Spires » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:26 pm
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It may. One could argue that it's rational to be hostile towards something that can be believed without evidence.
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by Seitonjin » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:27 pm
Crystal Spires wrote:Tiltjuice wrote:I don't object to theism. I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge its existence.
I object to theists attempting to convert me. No matter how subtly it's done. It's not their affair what I choose to believe.
Well no, but again, the concept of a theistic god is nothing I feel is necessary to be hostile about. As an atheist it is akin to getting mad at a character in a fairy tale. It's pointless to get so riled up and angry about it.
by The Steel Magnolia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:27 pm
by The Steel Magnolia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:29 pm
Seitonjin wrote:Crystal Spires wrote:
Well no, but again, the concept of a theistic god is nothing I feel is necessary to be hostile about. As an atheist it is akin to getting mad at a character in a fairy tale. It's pointless to get so riled up and angry about it.
Dominance via evidence.
It's just that. Anti-theists show with fervor that there is no god(s) because they have the evidence to do so.
Basically trying to prove a relatively valid point.
by Anachronous Rex » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:30 pm
by Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:30 pm
Crystal Spires wrote:Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It may. One could argue that it's rational to be hostile towards something that can be believed without evidence.
Well not really, emotional mindsets are not particularly rational and they don't need evidence to be felt or had, they just happen as a result of chemical states in the brain, and I don't feel the need to be hostile to someone if they say, are afraid of something that I am not, or feel particularly moved about a movie or TV show. It's not rational, but it's personal, so why should I feel the need to control how a person believes something (with or without evidence)?
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:30 pm
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by The Grey Wolf » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:31 pm
Crystal Spires wrote:What definitions of God make you uncomfortable and why do you think you feel most uncomfortable with this definition?
I am an Agnostic Atheist, and I have not really understood what makes people so uncomfortable and angry with regards to a the idea of God. I imagined it was with the idea that God was described as Omnipotent by Abrahamic God believers, but most existing Gods (Even the Abrahamic one) in mythology seem to possess limited power. None that I am aware of are omnipotent, as they are either subject and powerless to the will of human beings, or subject and powerless to the other factors in the existence of the universe like other powerful demigods in mythical stories. While I can understand finding specific gods like for example the Greek God Ares, the Mayan God Tlaloc, and the Canaanite God Sabaoth to be distasteful and crude with their promotion of violence, genocide, murder I would not go so far as to be hostile to the idea of a God existing. Not to mention there are other deities like Krishna and Atum-Ra which aren't exactly bloodthirsty Gods which aren't really contemptible and don't generally get viewed as an all powerful etc. So I couldn't really be hostile toward such conceptions of a god. However in order to be anti theist one has to hold these conceptions of God also in contempt to be something despised. While the idea of a malevolent god is not nice and is worthy of contempt in my opinion, the idea of an impotent God doesn't fill me with rage. Nor does the problem of evil weigh down so hard if we consider the possibility of an impotent god.
So, if we remove the problem of the existence of evil and declare God to be impotent in the face of evil like we are, why would one be hostile to the idea of a limited theistic God?
by Nationalist State of Knox » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:32 pm
Ifreann wrote:Knox: /ˈɡɪl.ɡə.mɛʃ/
by Anachronous Rex » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:32 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I thought this was clear but I was mistaken. No, not all Anti-Theist people are assholes. Some can be, but not all are.
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