NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 3

[Yanalia]

Go to this thread after you've been on the forums for a month: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=244924

What if you have proof that you have been forming for longer on another account?

Then TG the OP account of that thread with the proof. Please stop posting here now, further questions in the Applications thread.

[Venaleria]

A bill on the creation of military corps has nothing to do with the Transportation, Agriculture, Education, Research, Telecommunications, and Culture ministries...

You must remember, I originally went around to all authors of bills which were still in the old-style queue and asked where to put their bills. Yes, I put it there, but only by the author's bidding.

[New Bierstaat]

As is required by the Proxy Voting Act:

I, Senator Tom Schmidt of the one hundred seventy-first senatorial district of Aurentina, give Senator Belmaria of the Libertarian Capitalist Party permission to vote on my behalf during the period of time beginning Monday, August 26, 2013, at 00:00 UTC, and ending Wednesday, October 20, 2013, at 18:00 UTC.

[Free South Califas]

So what is next up for debate?

I think Domestic Development.

Should be Safety & Order - it's been 'up next' twice before and been bumped off.

However, I move that we debate/vote on Senate Procedures first or support the existing motion if there is one. Reason: Senate Procedures is a small omnibus containing SIMBEDS amendments that will make it much easier to vote on Safety & Order, currently a massive omnibus.

[Gothmogs]

Naked Eye Requirement for Visibility and Understanding is Necessary Act (NERVUN Act)
Drafted By: Gothmogs
Sponsors: Maklohi Vai, The Grand Republic of Hannover, Geilinor, Free South Califas, Malgrave, Venaleria, Seitonjin, Mediciano
SIMBEDS Category: Senate Procedures

At the moment anyone can add invisible text to a bill simply by making the font extremely small. If this were to be legal, anyone could add extra text to a perfectly reasonable bill, and make themselves supreme rulers or repeal bills they don't like without the knowledge or actual consent of the senate. This bill sets out to stop that.

Section 1 - Visibility Requirement
1. Hereby mandates that no bill may contain text or writing that is invisible, or cannot be seen by the naked eye.

2. Any bill that does contain such text or writing and passes, will be required to strike null and void the invisible or unseen text or writing.

Section 2 - Consequences
1. Any bill writer who submits a bill they wrote with invisible or unseen text or writing to the queue, has a bill they wrote in the queue with invisible or unseen text or writing, or has written a bill that has passed with invisible or unseen text or writing, will be suspended from voting or adding bills to the queue for a month after the invisible or unseen text or writing is found.

2. Should a person commit any of the above offences twice, that person who committed the offence twice will be suspended from adding bills to the queue for a year, and will be suspended from voting on bills for three months.

3. Should a person commit any of the above offences more than twice, that person who committed the offences more than twice will be banned from adding bills to the queue for the rest of their lives, and will be banned from voting on bills for a year.

Section 3 - Catching Invisible Text
1. Hereby requires the spellcheckers to search for invisible or unseen text, and report any findings to the Senate President pro tempore, or to the constabularies.

Hereby passes the NERVUN Act.

I motion to add this to Senate Procedures.

[Free South Califas]

Next is Domestic Development. If you want to make it Senate Procedures, you must motion to do so.

OK what is this nonsense. Boris clearly motioned to vote on Senate Procedures first by saying he thinks we should vote on it first. Is there a rule that a motion must both be clearly understood as a motion and contain the word "motion"? This one seems to pass the meaningful half of that with flying colors. Yanalia seemed to have seconded it, as well as possibly Battlion, which would make me at least third if not fourth in all justice, frankly. (OOC: still catching up)

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Holding an unlit cigar in his mouth and putting his alligator-skin shoes up on his desk, Bridger cries, "Senate Procedures, gosh-freaking-darn it!"

OoC: "gosh-freaking-darn it" lol

[Free South Califas]

Holding an unlit cigar in his mouth and putting his alligator-skin shoes up on his desk, Bridger cries, "Senate Procedures, gosh-freaking-darn it!"

OoC: "gosh-freaking-darn it" lol

And this is a 4th/5th if I've ever seen one. We need 5 or 6 more supporters (Battlion could clarify) and the PM, Deputy PM or PpT as far as I can tell.

[Battlion]

Holding an unlit cigar in his mouth and putting his alligator-skin shoes up on his desk, Bridger cries, "Senate Procedures, gosh-freaking-darn it!"

OoC: "gosh-freaking-darn it" lol

And this is a 4th/5th if I've ever seen one. We need 5 or 6 more supporters (Battlion could clarify) and the PM, Deputy PM or PpT as far as I can tell.

I'm in for supporting the motion

[Maklohi Vai]

If you subvert the process of making a motion, there's really no excuse. Also, Boris never linked to the post where he allegedly made a motion. I need to see that first.

[Lamaredia]

And this is a 4th/5th if I've ever seen one. We need 5 or 6 more supporters (Battlion could clarify) and the PM, Deputy PM or PpT as far as I can tell.

I'm in for supporting the motion

So am I. It would help clear up the crushing backlog of bills we have at the moment.

[Falmerheim]

I'm in for supporting the motion

So am I. It would help clear up the crushing backlog of bills we have at the moment.

I will also support the motion

[Oneracon]

I'm in for supporting the motion

So am I. It would help clear up the crushing backlog of bills we have at the moment.

Or we could just vote on the backlog of bills and then they'll be clear...

[Battlion]

So am I. It would help clear up the crushing backlog of bills we have at the moment.

Or we could just vote on the backlog of bills and then they'll be clear...

Makes more sense to fix senate procedures before using said procedures?

[Oneracon]

Or we could just vote on the backlog of bills and then they'll be clear...

Makes more sense to fix senate procedures before using said procedures?

It would... if the reason that we have such a huge backlog wasn't because we are still transitioning to SIMBEDS from the old, flawed queue system.

If we just vote through the last few backlogged SIMBEDS categories then the number of bills won't be so heinously large.

[Battlion]

Makes more sense to fix senate procedures before using said procedures?

It would... if the reason that we have such a huge backlog wasn't because we are still transitioning to SIMBEDS from the old, flawed queue system.

If we just vote through the last few backlogged SIMBEDS categories then the number of bills won't be so heinously large.

SIMBEDS is already flawed in a few respects which is what the amendments try to fix

[New Zepuha]

So am I. It would help clear up the crushing backlog of bills we have at the moment.

I will also support the motion

Same, I want to get this moving already.

[Lamaredia]

Two more seconds needed.

[Britanno]

Two more seconds needed.

Is this to get voting on senate proceedures?

I'll second (don't no how many other seconds there has been) it.

[Lamaredia]

Two more seconds needed.

Is this to get voting on senate proceedures?

I'll second (don't no how many other seconds there has been) it.

Yeah it is. Alright, we need 1 more. We are on 9.

[The Nihilistic view]

Is this to get voting on senate proceedures?

I'll second (don't no how many other seconds there has been) it.

Yeah it is. Alright, we need 1 more. We are on 9.

I will make it the tenth second.

[New Bierstaat]

If we vote on senate procedures, is domestic development next, or do we just proceed to whatever would normally be after senate procedures?

[Ainin]

I move to remove Corps Creation Charter from the Domestic Development omnibus, and into the International Relations one, for having absolutely no relation with the ministries classified into Domestic Development.

[Kouralia]

I move to remove Corps Creation Charter from the Domestic Development omnibus, and into the International Relations one, for having absolutely no relation with the ministries classified into Domestic Development.

I counter this movement, as I the author placed it there in protest to the classification of the MoD under International Relations.

Unless we intend our military to be an imperialist or interventionist force to gallivant around the globe policing or invading this that or the other, then it is a defence force and should come rightfully under domestic development.

[Lamaredia]

Senate Procedures is now in debate, after 10 seconds on the motion.