Archbishop Tutu "won't worship homophobic god"

[Aravea]

God bless freedom of speech

*nods in agreement*
Excluding the god part.

Again to each their own but still freedom of speech

[Lydenburg]

Eh, Tutu ceased to be of any relevance a long time ago. This is just one of his latest bids for attention.

The guy never should have been admitted to a church, anyroad. He's hardly a model Christian.

[New Libertarian States]

*nods in agreement*
Excluding the god part.

Again to each their own but still freedom speech

*nods*

[Aravea]

Again to each their own but still freedom speech

*nods*

Stupid auto correct... Keeps messing up my posts

[Phocidaea]

Eh, Tutu ceased to be of any relevance a long time ago. This is just one of his latest bids for attention.

The guy never should have been admitted to a church, anyroad. He's hardly a model Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[The Grey Wolf]

I'm failing to see what a big deal this is.

[Lydenburg]

Eh, Tutu ceased to be of any relevance a long time ago. This is just one of his latest bids for attention.

The guy never should have been admitted to a church, anyroad. He's hardly a model Christian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

As a South African myself, I'm couldn't be more serious. In his younger days, Tutu said some damning things about his own faith that were buried under all his anti-apartheid rants.

I'm not denying that he was and still is an effective champion for human rights. But these quotes were common knowledge in RSA during the mid to late '80s:

"When justice prevails over injustice, as in Zimbabwe, that shows that the Kingdom [of Christ] has already arrived." - Published in a statement to ECUNews, at the height of Mugabe's Matabeleland atrocities

"Maybe HE [Jesus] was an illegitimate child." - 24/10/1980, Cape Times

"I thank God that I am black. At the last judgment whites will have much to answer for." - Argus, 1984

"Every Christian must be a revolutionary. Jesus was a revolutionary." - Rapport, 20/4/1986

"The West can go to Hell." - 23/7/1986, Cape Times

[Israel State]

homosexuality is a Satanic sin created by the Ha’Satan and it is disgusting plague.
America must ban homosexuality if it once to have its blessing returned by the all loving and knowing YAHWEH.

[New Libertarian States]

homosexuality is a Satanic sin created by the Ha’Satan and it is disgusting plague.
America must ban homosexuality if it once to have its blessing returned by the all loving and knowing YAHWEH.

What am I reading here?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

homosexuality is a Satanic sin created by the Ha’Satan and it is disgusting plague.
America must ban homosexuality if it once to have its blessing returned by the all loving and knowing YAHWEH.

What am I reading here?

Nothing worth replying to.

[Uiiop]

homosexuality is a Satanic sin created by the Ha’Satan and it is disgusting plague.
America must ban homosexuality if it once to have its blessing returned by the all loving and knowing YAHWEH.

What am I reading here?

A bloke who's probably was lied to by Satan.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

As a South African myself, I'm couldn't be more serious. In his younger days, Tutu said some damning things about his own faith that were buried under all his anti-apartheid rants.

I'm not denying that he was and still is an effective champion for human rights. But these quotes were common knowledge in RSA during the mid to late '80s:

"When justice prevails over injustice, as in Zimbabwe, that shows that the Kingdom [of Christ] has already arrived." - Published in a statement to ECUNews, at the height of Mugabe's Matabeleland atrocities

"Maybe HE [Jesus] was an illegitimate child." - 24/10/1980, Cape Times

"I thank God that I am black. At the last judgment whites will have much to answer for." - Argus, 1984

"Every Christian must be a revolutionary. Jesus was a revolutionary." - Rapport, 20/4/1986

"The West can go to Hell." - 23/7/1986, Cape Times

Quotes cherrypicked from statements he made during the height of apartheid, when he and people who looked like him were subject to legalized, institutionalized discrimination against them, and revolution often seemed the only option in the face of Botha and his predecessors. Good job with the character assassination.

[Glove World]

What a groovy guy! I knew he was cool, but dude. Hooray for gay!
Why are there no rainbow smilies?

[Blasveck]

homosexuality is a Satanic sin created by the Ha’Satan and it is disgusting plague.
America must ban homosexuality if it once to have its blessing returned by the all loving and knowing YAHWEH.

Sorry bud, but I'm pretty sure I have no plague.
And Satan? He probably doesn't give a shit.

[Tlik]

What a groovy guy! I knew he was cool, but dude. Hooray for gay!
Why are there no rainbow smilies?

[Aggicificicerous]

You know while I may have differing and unpopular opinions on this, I would like to state that religion should not mix with politics cough Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia, Cough

This is another point. Left-wingers are perfectly happy to allow Priests expressing left-wing and socially liberal views to offer opinions, but when it comes to conservative Priests its 'Oh noes, religion stays out of politics, secular state111!

Desmond Tutu isn't a politician. He's a private citizen and can express whatever position he pleases without having to worry about a secular state.

[Lydenburg]

As a South African myself, I'm couldn't be more serious. In his younger days, Tutu said some damning things about his own faith that were buried under all his anti-apartheid rants.

I'm not denying that he was and still is an effective champion for human rights. But these quotes were common knowledge in RSA during the mid to late '80s:

"When justice prevails over injustice, as in Zimbabwe, that shows that the Kingdom [of Christ] has already arrived." - Published in a statement to ECUNews, at the height of Mugabe's Matabeleland atrocities

"Maybe HE [Jesus] was an illegitimate child." - 24/10/1980, Cape Times

"I thank God that I am black. At the last judgment whites will have much to answer for." - Argus, 1984

"Every Christian must be a revolutionary. Jesus was a revolutionary." - Rapport, 20/4/1986

"The West can go to Hell." - 23/7/1986, Cape Times

Quotes cherrypicked from statements he made during the height of apartheid, when he and people who looked like him were subject to legalized, institutionalized discrimination against them, and revolution often seemed the only option in the face of Botha and his predecessors. Good job with the character assassination.

Racism doesn't excuse the fact that he called another one of Africa's more suppressed nations "The Kingdom" of Heaven, never mind that between 1981 and 1987 Robert Mugabe butchered more people in Zimbabwe than the South African security forces under three decades of apartheid. Nor does it explain why he saw it fit to imply that Christ was illegitimate. What, pray, does that have to do with Botha or the Nats, either? "The West can go to Hell"....if we're discussing a man of the cloth here, he just declared that he wanted over 900,000,000 people to be indiscriminately condemned for eternity.

I see your point, but I'm not attempting character assassination (lest I post that picture of him giving a speech in front of a Soviet hammer-and-sickle). I'm merely pointing out why I don't consider him a faithful Christian.

[Liriena]

homosexuality is a Satanic sin created by the Ha’Satan and it is disgusting plague.
America must ban homosexuality if it once to have its blessing returned by the all loving and knowing YAHWEH.

Stop butchering the English language.

[4years]

Archbishop Desmond Tutu has once again demonstrated why is is one of the few religious leaders I actually like. And coming from a militant atheist like myself, that is saying something.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Quotes cherrypicked from statements he made during the height of apartheid, when he and people who looked like him were subject to legalized, institutionalized discrimination against them, and revolution often seemed the only option in the face of Botha and his predecessors. Good job with the character assassination.

Racism doesn't excuse the fact that he called another one of Africa's more suppressed nations "The Kingdom" of Heaven, never mind that between 1981 and 1987 Robert Mugabe butchered more people in Zimbabwe than the South African security forces under three decades of apartheid. Nor does it explain why he saw it fit to imply that Christ was illegitimate. What, pray, does that have to do with Botha or the Nats, either? "The West can go to Hell"....if we're discussing a man of the cloth here, he just declared that he wanted over 900,000,000 people to be indiscriminately condemned for eternity.

I see your point, but I'm not attempting character assassination (lest I post that picture of him giving a speech in front of a Soviet hammer-and-sickle). I'm merely pointing out why I don't consider him a faithful Christian.

Source on Zimbabwe? This is the most recent take of his that I've seen on the situation, and it's the opposite of what you stated.

[The Spiral Future]

What a groovy guy! I knew he was cool, but dude. Hooray for gay!
Why are there no rainbow smilies?

Stop flaunting your superior emoticonjutsu.

Anyways, go this guy. He had a recorded message in a U2 concert I saw a while back. Best part of the show.

[The Rich Port]

Desmond Tutu is still earning his Nobel Prize, I see.

Unlike other people I know have that thing.

[The Rich Port]

Quotes cherrypicked from statements he made during the height of apartheid, when he and people who looked like him were subject to legalized, institutionalized discrimination against them, and revolution often seemed the only option in the face of Botha and his predecessors. Good job with the character assassination.

Racism doesn't excuse the fact that he called another one of Africa's more suppressed nations "The Kingdom" of Heaven, never mind that between 1981 and 1987 Robert Mugabe butchered more people in Zimbabwe than the South African security forces under three decades of apartheid. Nor does it explain why he saw it fit to imply that Christ was illegitimate. What, pray, does that have to do with Botha or the Nats, either? "The West can go to Hell"....if we're discussing a man of the cloth here, he just declared that he wanted over 900,000,000 people to be indiscriminately condemned for eternity.

I see your point, but I'm not attempting character assassination (lest I post that picture of him giving a speech in front of a Soviet hammer-and-sickle). I'm merely pointing out why I don't consider him a faithful Christian.

Robert Mugabe tricked a lot of people into believing in him, his own people included.

Desmond Tutu is a great man. Get over it.

[Menassa]

[...]the Ha’Satan[...]

I'm sure you're a master at Biblical Hebrew and everything... but that phrase is redundant.

[Ceannairceach]

With a name like "tutu", he obviously is just another part of the Zionist gay agenda of Muslim atheists to overthrow traditional European values that all people should feel lucky to have enforced upon them.