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Kalmath
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Postby Kalmath » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:31 pm

Belmaria wrote:
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As stated in the REA, First Ammendment to REA and the Judicial Act you are going to need proof of misconduct and 2/3rds majority to impeach Britanno. So Belmaria, do you have either?

It is probable. I know many libertarians that are even within the AfA who no longer support Britanno for what he did. We may very well team up with the left to boot him out for his actions, and a president can also be impeached if said president does not have the confidence of the senate, which I am calling.


No he does not require confidence of the senate. Here is every line regarding the president and impeachment. There needs to misconduct charges, then an investigation, then a court case, then a senate vote of 66% for impeachment.

REA First Ammendment
4e. This act strongly recommends that the President of Aurentina expresses extreme discretion before using his power of legislative queuejumping and recognises that improper usage of it is a cause of his immediate Impeachment.


it allows the queue to be changed with only the approval of one Administrator; this bill has a fairer system, as the President is the one who changes the queue and if he does it in poor faith, he is accountable to the Senate and can be impeached and Article 2, Section 5, as it is fairer for the President of the Senate or the President pro tempore to decide this.


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7a. The Senate may open the case for the Impeachment of the President of Aurentina with a 66% majority for every charge against the President of Aurentina.
7b. The Director of Public Prosecutions shall be responsible for the investigation of of the President of Aurentina's charges, choosing whether to Prosecute and for the submission of the case findings to the panel of Judges for approval.
7c. The panel of Judges presiding over the case shall consist of a the President of the Supreme Court, the two Vice Presidents of the Supreme Court and two Judges from the Supreme Court elected for the case by the entirety of the Supreme Court, shall act as the Judges of the case submitted against the President. The Judges shall be responsible for the approval of the case findings by the Director of Public Prosecutions, conducting the trial and decide the final verdict.
7e. Upon the deliverance of guilt, the only sentence that may given is the official Impeachment. Conviction for other charges must be conducted in the relevant court of law.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:33 pm

Wonderfull this motion is now: illegal, dumb, and doomed.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:33 pm

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Belmaria wrote:Perhaps, but at this point I don't even care. This is on principle.

Look at the post above the one im quoting.
Additionally, you will deliberatly stall the senate on a vote you acknoledge has little chance of going through, and if it does end up succeding will plunge the rp into chao?

I believe that Great Nepal has yet to second this motion so we will wait for him to return. He supports this as well (last I checked). And I have proxy voting authority for him while he's not here, but don't want to waste it on a second unless he fails to return tomorrow.
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:36 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Look at the post above the one im quoting.
Additionally, you will deliberatly stall the senate on a vote you acknoledge has little chance of going through, and if it does end up succeding will plunge the rp into chao?

I believe that Great Nepal has yet to second this motion so we will wait for him to return. He supports this as well (last I checked). And I have proxy voting authority for him while he's not here, but don't want to waste it on a second unless he fails to return tomorrow.

God, Belmaria, accept that this is doomed and stupid! Do you, by chance, happen to be CP or USLP?

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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:36 pm

The Republic of Llamas wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I believe that Great Nepal has yet to second this motion so we will wait for him to return. He supports this as well (last I checked). And I have proxy voting authority for him while he's not here, but don't want to waste it on a second unless he fails to return tomorrow.

God, Belmaria, accept that this is doomed and stupid! Do you, by chance, happen to be CP or USLP?

:rofl: I did not get to read the above post until just now. I withdraw my second then.
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:40 pm

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The Republic of Llamas wrote:God, Belmaria, accept that this is doomed and stupid! Do you, by chance, happen to be CP or USLP?

:rofl: I did not get to read the above post until just now. I withdraw my second then.

Thank you. Now, I believe we have some senating to get done.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:43 pm

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Belmaria wrote: :rofl: I did not get to read the above post until just now. I withdraw my second then.

Thank you. Now, I believe we have some senating to get done.

Not until the PM vote finishes :p
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:48 pm

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The Republic of Llamas wrote:Thank you. Now, I believe we have some senating to get done.

Not until the PM vote finishes :p

That's senating.

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Postby Belmaria » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:52 pm

The Republic of Llamas wrote:
Belmaria wrote:Not until the PM vote finishes :p

That's senating.

I suppose... :meh:
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Postby Venaleria » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:01 pm

I vote against the PM appointment.
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Postby The Republic of Llamas » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:05 pm

Venaleria wrote:I vote against the PM appointment.

That's not senating. :P

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Postby Venaleria » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:07 pm

The Republic of Llamas wrote:
Venaleria wrote:I vote against the PM appointment.

That's not senating. :P


Lol, I haven't been here and have no idea what you're talking about...
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Postby Chelta » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:36 pm

AYE for Realm of God


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Postby Bleckonia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:41 pm

I will endorse Realm of God as Prime Minister.
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Postby Lammatrey » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:57 pm

I vote NAY for the Realm of God for PM
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:15 pm

I vote Yes with Rights for Realm of God for PM (mark as For). Explanation can be found here: viewtopic.php?p=15651388#p15651388
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:29 pm

TLDR: I have withdrawn my impeachment motion.
Belmaria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Oh for fucks sake, the president has been in office for two days. Cant you wait a week and let us vote on other measures ahead of time?

Actually, there are many senators, including myself, who believe that the president no longer has the confidence of the senate. We are therefore calling for impeachment immediately.

Actually, if RoG wins, I will interpret it as President Britanno winning back the support of a majority. I'm withdrawing my impeachment motion. As such, your motion is technically a "first" not a "second". (ETA: I now see that you withdrew it.)

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Finally, the election dragged on, was painful, and fradulent.
Actually, all claims of fraud were debunked. Those claims were also made using slanderous lies, like calling four signups "tens of" them.

Now, who exactly are you accusing of what here? Are you saying President Britanno or perhaps Chairman Jenkins are guilty of something in particular? Spit it out, PPUBA requires it.
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Postby Free South Califas » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:35 pm

Belmaria wrote:
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Uh-oh... looks like you messed up the URL for the time

Maybe he should have left my usability innovation alone after all :lol:
I guess it would have been just awful for every OOC player to know what time the bill ended.

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Prime Minister Confirmation Vote | Candidate: Realm of God [PC] | Proposed by: Britanno [P-CP]
For: 61
Against: 42
Abstain: 1

Began: Fri Jul 19, 2013 16:17 am UTC
Ends: Sun Jul 21, 2013 16:17 am UTC
Well, I can't say I'm fantastically surprised, Rumostan :lol:
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Postby Oneracon » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:05 am

May I suggest to those maintaining the counter, there is no AM or PM (much less a 16:00 AM :lol2: ) in 24-hour time.
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Postby Mishmahig » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:07 am

Oneracon wrote:May I suggest to those maintaining the counter, there is no AM or PM (much less a 16:00 AM :lol2: ) in 24-hour time.


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We should probably get in the habit of reposting the queue every other page or so...
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Postby NSG Senate Administrators » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:24 am

The Republic of Llamas wrote:WHAT IDIOT WANTS TO IMPEACH HIM THIS EARLY?

Let's not do that, shall we?

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Belmaria wrote:That's fine. I know of at least 3 other senators who stand side-to-side with me. They voted for Britanno but do not support him now. I still feel that this motion is justified.

So let me be clear, you want to impeach a sitting president that has been in office for two days, plunging the country into even more chaos and embarrasing us on the international stage, and then before we can pass laws to fix our election system, we would have to begin another presidential election, and another few pm votes? Yes or no question

Question two, if the answer to the first one is yes
Are you out of your fucking mind?

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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:38 am

This has enough sponsors to be added to the queue:

Aurentine Youth Senate Act


Author: Britanno (PC)

Sponsors: Gothmogs (TR), Geilinor (LD), Liberated Countries (CFE), Battlion (NLP), Rumostan (NLP)


UNDERSTANDING that Aurentine citizens under the legal voting age are not given a chance to have any part in our democracy.

AWARE that many young people feel left out of democracy and wish to have their voices heard by the government.

RECOGNISING that Article 12 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child declares that "every child has the right to say what they think in all matters affecting them, and to have their views taken seriously".

ESTABLISHES the Aurentina Youth Senate.

1. Youth Senators

a) In each constituency, one Youth Senator will be elected by the people under the legal voting age who live in that constituency.
b) All the Youth Senators in the country will meet on a monthly basis to debate and raise issues that young people are having.
c) The Senator and Youth Senator for each constituency should meet every fortnight to discuss issues that both adults and children are having in order to provide the best service possible to their constituents.

2. Youth Senate Powers

a) Youth Senate bills may be considered in the binding Aurentine legislature if sponsored by five national legislators in good standing.
b) The Youth Senate shall be able to meet with the Senate at least once every six months to give their say on how our nation is run.
c) The Youth Senate shall not have any active participation in the passing of bills in the Senate that were created by Senators.
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Postby Fulflood » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:46 am

Belmaria wrote:
Prime Minister Confirmation Vote | Candidate: Realm of God [PC] | Proposed by: Britanno [P-CP]
For: 59
Against: 40
Abstain: 1

Began: Fri Jul 19, 2013 16:17 am UTC
Ends: Sun Jul 21, 2013 16:17 am UTC

Hold on... 16:17 am? Really?
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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:21 am

Prime Minister Confirmation Vote | Candidate: Realm of God [PC] | Proposed by: Britanno [P-CP]
For: 61
Against: 42
Abstain: 1
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Postby Britanno » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:23 am

The vote on Realm of God's PM Confidence Vote ends on July 21st at:

4:17pm GMT
3:17pm UTC
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