NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Venaleria]

*whispers*

Logical fallacy overload

Good girl. *pats head*

Or are you a boy? I've no idea.

Try the latter...

[Oneracon]

So are you saying that the following aren't "actually helpful":

• Ear thermometers
• Artificial limbs
• Scratch-resistant glass
• First aid reflective blankets
• Aircraft anti-icing systems
• Fire-resistant building reinforcements
• Firefighting equipment
• Freeze drying
• Improvements to water purification and solar energy
• Satellites

To be fair satellites are used in warfare.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

I was countering the Senator's assertion that space research is not "actually helpful"

[Byzantium Imperial]

Every scientific development every made, past present future, will be weaponized. I say we stick to terrestial research, which is cheaper, more efficient, and is actually helpful to our people

So are you saying that the following aren't "actually helpful":

• Ear thermometers
• Artificial limbs
• Scratch-resistant glass
• First aid reflective blankets
• Aircraft anti-icing systems
• Fire-resistant building reinforcements
• Firefighting equipment
• Freeze drying
• Improvements to water purification and solar energy
• Satellites

Those civilian technologies will leak to us quickly. Just because they didnt have space craft doesnt mean you cant find those things in Italy or germany

[Evraim]

Try the latter...

Oops. Sorry. Good boy. *pats head*

Yes you are! Yes you are!

[Maklohi Vai]

Byzantium was referring to it as a time unit, which it isn't. Dwight Schrute is correct.

He did not use Light, I inserted that and changed the meaning to distance. ie it will be longer than half a million years.

Why did....

Oh never mind, it doesn't matter.

Byzantium was referring to it as a time unit, which it isn't. Dwight Schrute is correct.

I didnt refert to it as a time unit. I said half a million years

I know that now, sorry.

[Venaleria]

Prove it.

weaponized pen
Weaponization of mustard
Weaponized ISS
Basic understanding of how an atom works
Weaponized flying paper

I can go on for ever if you want

But I don't think foreign countries are going to invade us with flying lethal paper darts...

[Oneracon]

So are you saying that the following aren't "actually helpful":

• Ear thermometers
• Artificial limbs
• Scratch-resistant glass
• First aid reflective blankets
• Aircraft anti-icing systems
• Fire-resistant building reinforcements
• Firefighting equipment
• Freeze drying
• Improvements to water purification and solar energy
• Satellites

Those civilian technologies will leak to us quickly. Just because they didnt have space craft doesnt mean you cant find those things in Italy or germany

So you say that technology from space exploration is actually helpful?

[Venaleria]

Try the latter...

Oops. Sorry. Good boy. *pats head*

Yes you are! Yes you are!

Well I feel slightly degraded...

[Byzantium Imperial]

weaponized pen
Weaponization of mustard
Weaponized ISS
Basic understanding of how an atom works
Weaponized flying paper

I can go on for ever if you want

But I don't think foreign countries are going to invade us with flying lethal paper darts...

How could you possibly know that? We need to be ready for everything..... that means mole people and zombies too

But if we give money to join european space efforts when we arnt part of the eu, before we know it, number 3 on the list happens.


edit: before somebody points out space tech would help beat aliens, so does nukes

[Ainin]

But I don't think foreign countries are going to invade us with flying lethal paper darts...

Your right. But if we give money to join european space efforts when we arnt part of the eu, before we know it, number 3 on the list happens.

Slippery slope, and against the OST.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

[Venaleria]

But I don't think foreign countries are going to invade us with flying lethal paper darts...

How could you possibly know that? We need to be ready for everything..... that means mole people and zombies too

But if we give money to join european space efforts when we arnt part of the eu, before we know it, number 3 on the list happens.


edit: before somebody points out space tech would help beat aliens, so does nukes

For some reason, that first argument seems slightly absurd to me...

[Byzantium Imperial]

Your right. But if we give money to join european space efforts when we arnt part of the eu, before we know it, number 3 on the list happens.

Slippery slope, and against the OST.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

(this is actually seriously) if the 1930's taught us anything, its that nations dont keep their promises.
We shouldnt be balancing our nations survivals on the promises of other nations. It is a very bad move

[Ainin]

But I don't think foreign countries are going to invade us with flying lethal paper darts...

How could you possibly know that? We need to be ready for everything..... that means mole people and zombies too

But if we give money to join european space efforts when we arnt part of the eu, before we know it, number 3 on the list happens.


edit: before somebody points out space tech would help beat aliens, so does nukes

Haven't you seen Independence Day? Nukes suck against aliens.

[Oneracon]

Slippery slope, and against the OST.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

(this is actually seriously) if the 1930's taught us anything, its that nations dont keep their promises.
We shouldnt be balancing our nations survivals on the promises of other nations. It is a very bad move

Are you referring to the Treaty of Versailles, Senator?

[Ainin]

Slippery slope, and against the OST.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

(this is actually seriously) if the 1930's taught us anything, its that nations dont keep their promises.
We shouldnt be balancing our nations survivals on the promises of other nations. It is a very bad move

Still doesn't change that it was a slippery slope...

[Byzantium Imperial]

(this is actually seriously) if the 1930's taught us anything, its that nations dont keep their promises.
We shouldnt be balancing our nations survivals on the promises of other nations. It is a very bad move

Are you referring to the Treaty of Versailles, Senator?

Well i was thinking the munich treaty of 1938, but versaille as an example works too. Also, the molotov ribentrop pact of late august 1939 didnt work out as planned either. At least for Stalin.

[Oneracon]

Are you referring to the Treaty of Versailles, Senator?

Well i was thinking the munich treaty of 1938, but versaille as an example works too. Also, the molotov ribentrop pact of late august 1939 didnt work out as planned either. At least for Stalin.

Well I was going to say that the socio-political situation in Germany at the time, especially because of the horrible conditions imposed by Versailles, are what gave rise to WWII. Hitler didn't rise to power on his own, he had plenty of help from the victorious Allies of WWI and the Treaty of Versailles.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Well i was thinking the munich treaty of 1938, but versaille as an example works too. Also, the molotov ribentrop pact of late august 1939 didnt work out as planned either. At least for Stalin.

Well I was going to say that the socio-political situation in Germany at the time, especially because of the horrible conditions imposed by Versailles, are what gave rise to WWII. Hitler didn't rise to power on his own, he had plenty of help from the victorious Allies of WWI and the Treaty of Versailles.

Actually my main argument for versaille was going to be it mandated the US keep an active role in europe to maintain the watch on the rhine, and it mandated that all nations come to the aide of those under attack and to stop future wars.
Russian civil war intervention, american isolationism, italian invasion of ethiopia all seem to show that NOBODY was keeping their promises. If anything, the germans kept up their end of the deal the longest, paying reps untill the early to mid 30s

[New Sapienta]

Well i was thinking the munich treaty of 1938, but versaille as an example works too. Also, the molotov ribentrop pact of late august 1939 didnt work out as planned either. At least for Stalin.

Well I was going to say that the socio-political situation in Germany at the time, especially because of the horrible conditions imposed by Versailles, are what gave rise to WWII. Hitler didn't rise to power on his own, he had plenty of help from the victorious Allies of WWI and the Treaty of Versailles.

And Stalin had he given the Communists approval of the Communist-Social Democrat alliance.

[Ainin]

Order of Aurentina Establishment Act | Author: Ainin [TR] | Sponsors: Oneracon [RG], Byzantium Imperial [NIFP], Vedastia [LFP], The Nihilistic View [LD] | Urgency: Meh

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The Senate of Aurentina,

Affirming numerous citizens have done great acts for the betterment of the nation,

Declaring that they should be recognized for their efforts,

Establishing the Order of Aurentina,

Marking its mission is to "recognize great laudable efforts to improve the nation and assist the people of the Commonwealth",

Barring any sitting politician and serviceperson from obtaining the award for actions that are implicitly part of their job,

Separating the order into three ranks:

• Grand Commander of the Order of Aurentina, CA [A maximum of 5 persons may hold this title at any given time]
• Officer of the Order of Aurentina, OA [A maximum of 50 persons may hold this title at any given time]
• Member of the Order of Aurentina, MA [A maximum of 200 persons may hold this title at any given time]

Creating the Order of Aurentina Panel, consisting of 20 randomly-selected professors of political science from Aurentine universities,

Tasking the committee with screening potential candidates and recommending nominees to the President of Aurentina, who may choose to accept or veto the committee's recommendation,

Noting the President's veto may be overruled by a 75% supermajority of support from the panel,

Affirming that membership is lifelong and may only be revoked by an Act of Senate,

Hereby passes the Order of Aurentina Establishment Act.

[Great Nepal]

Those civilian technologies will leak to us quickly. Just because they didnt have space craft doesnt mean you cant find those things in Italy or germany

So, you want our nation to be technological backwater of the world taking up crap that other nations have deemed not valuable enough to protect?

[Ainin]

GN, while you're online, could you revise the dates in the act back a year or two? 5 months isn't enough to design an unmanned spacecraft.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

[Wolfmanne]

delete

[Great Nepal]

GN, while you're online, could you revise the dates in the act back a year or two? 5 months isn't enough to design an unmanned spacecraft.

-Minister of Research and Astronomy

I will move it back by nine month (or a year). When act was purposed, there was lot longer to design unmanned aircraft but its been stuck in queue for a while...
I will do this tonight.

[CTALNH]

How are we going to get an unmanned space flight in five months starting from scratch?

Not gonna happen?