Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Vulshain]

Wait...are we voting on who is going to host the 2013 summer olympics!?

Not yet.

Ah okay. I hope to enter despite my lack of internet (I have to use the library's internet to surf!).

[Vaugania]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there an official point in time where host bids are allowed to be posted (not that I would be bidding) or when they will begin to be considered?

[Liventia]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there an official point in time where host bids are allowed to be posted (not that I would be bidding) or when they will begin to be considered?

There aren't set timeframes; however I will be posting my bid some time this weekend, and Krytenia will decide when to call for a deadline for other bids and for the vote to take place.

[Vaugania]

Sorry if this has already been answered, but is there an official point in time where host bids are allowed to be posted (not that I would be bidding) or when they will begin to be considered?

There aren't set timeframes; however I will be posting my bid some time this weekend, and Krytenia will decide when to call for a deadline for other bids and for the vote to take place.

Thanks

[Liventia]

Bid documentation from Orean, Liventia
Games of the VIII Olympiad

About the city
Orean is the capital city of Liventia and has been since the Liventia Act was passed in 2147. It is technically sited within the Great Folenisa Desert according to government legislation, although as it sits right on the outer boundary of it, daytime temperatures in summer rarely exceed 33°C. While the former capital city of City Centre retains commercial influence and still houses a small number of international embassies, a majority of government workers both domestic and foreign have moved to Orean.

There is a 144-station metropolitan railway system to help fans get around. Spectators will fly into Orean Airport, which handily sits at the eastern end of the Central Line. Alternatively, they can fly into any of Liventia's other major cities, from where they will be able to catch National Rail trains to Great Cross, Salisbury or City Hall.

Public transport on the Metro, National Rail and buses within Orean city limits will be free of charge to all ticketholders, athletes and officials during the Games, as proved popular by Liventia's two previous successful Winter Olympics bid teams. Ticketholders to sailing events, which will take place in Schimpol on the Lox Island, and to field hockey and handball events, which will take place in Folenisa's Indoor Sports Facility, will receive free National Rail travel between Orean and the event host cities. Football ticketholders will, however, have to make their own travel arrangements unless attending a match at Grovers Park in Orean.

Traffic in Orean will be congestion-controlled during the Games, with specially-designed 'Games Lanes' in operation at certain hours of the day to ensure speedy movement for officials and athletes.

About the country
Liventia has strict laws when it comes to behaviour; rioting used to carry the death penalty until a moratorium on capital punishment was brought into effect in 2138. There is a widespread ban on outdoor public smoking and outdoor public drinking, and the governing Greener Society have passed aditional legislation to ban all smoking outside of residential areas (homes and hotels). Public alcoholism will result in prosecution. The drugs trade is banned, and although casual use is not normally actively policed, Orean Constabulary intends to enforce the law during the Games. The legal age for smoking and drinking in the country used to be 15, although the Greener Society have since passed compromise legislation to increase it to 17 for drinking and 20 for smoking.

About the bid
Liventia aims to continue the recent trend and tradition of Winter Olympics hosts going on to host the next cycle's Summer Olympics, and believing no other city capable to do the job Orean have volunteered to host the multiverse's largest sporting event. The bid has backing from Olympic Council vice-chairman and Liventia Olympic Association chief technical delegate Eric Ashdown, and former Olympic Council vice-chairman Royston French, who has agreed to head the bid team.

Liventia's logistical capabilities were thoroughly tested by hosting the Seventh and Eighth Winter Olympics, and the country looks to become the first geographic area since Paripana to host two consecutive Games.

The bid logo, created by Polarian designers, feature an athlete, portrayed in the colours of the Olympic movement, jumping over a hurdle.

Zone 1—The Olympic Park
The Olympic Park will be based around Grovers Park, Orean's largest stadium and home to the LAPFL's Orean United. It lies near the eastern end of the Central Line and is easily accessible from the airport and from the rest of the country by National Rail. The Olympic Village and Media Centre will be based here, as will athletics, aquatics, basketball finals, BMX cycling, track cycling, gymnastics (all forms) and water polo. Grovers Park will be the main stadium hosting the opening and closing ceremonies as well as the football finals (and some preliminaries). The field hockey finals will also be held at Grovers Park where an artificial turf hockey pitch will be 'dropped in'. A temporary specialist athletics stadium will be built as Grovers Park does not have a running track.

Zone 2—On the road
The cycling road races will take in a course around Orean's southwest, roughly following the Metro's Suburban Line from City Hall to Cary (via West Askham) then on to Great Cross via Minstermere and following the City Line back north to City Hall for further laps. On the last lap — and on the time trials — the course will split at Minstermere and follow the Metro's Orbital Line to the finish line at Northgate. These events will be ticketless, though spectators will have to pay for transport.

The marathon and race walks will take place in east Orean and are also ticketless (except for the marathon finish), while the 10 km open water swim will take place at a temporary man-made lake in northwest Orean near Widmore.

The triathlon swim will also take place at Widmore, while the cycle will take athletes to Aston, from where they will run to the finish at City Hall. This event will also be free to spectators.

Zone 3—Rest of Orean
Badminton, boxing, fencing, judo, taekwondo, table tennis, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling will all take place at a temporary multi-use indoor arena in Cannon Green. Handball finals will also be held at the site in Cannon Green.
Equestrian and modern pentathlon will take place at Polarian Gardens.
Beach volleyball will be held in Langdon in northeast Orean.
Somewhat controversially, the Park Central Oval cricket ground will be converted to host the archery.
Tennis will be held at the site of the old Orean Masters, in Lothian.
Canoe sprint and rowing will take place at the artificial lake in Widmore.

Zone 4—Outside Orean
Mountain bike cycling and canoe slalom will both be held in the town of Madford to the east of Orean. Spectators will be given free Natiional Rail travel between Orean and Madford.
All sailing events will be held off Schimpol along the coast of Lox Island. Free National Rail travel to and from Orean will be provided for ticketholders.
Field hockey and handball preliminaries will take place in Folenisa at the Indoor Sports Facility. Free National Rail travel to and from Orean will be provided for ticketholders.
Football preliminaries will be held across the country. Except for matches at Grovers Park, ticketholders will have to make their own travel arrangements.

Bid specifics; i.e. the OOC important bits
The Games will take place over four weeks, and although I cannot currently confirm the exact dates, my aim is to have signups open for three weeks and start scorinating no later than July 19. Much like the Emberton Olympics, one RP day will be spread over two RL days – meaning the morning/afternoon session scorination for any given RP day will be followed by the evening/night session scorination the next RL day. As far as possible I will ensure scorinations are 24 hours apart, though if this changes I will endeavour to inform in advance.

The most up-to-date version of xkoranate at the time of the opening ceremony will be used.

The events list will follow the base list exactly with the addition of any missing fencing events (meaning events for both genders in all three weapon classes will be contested), and a woman's heavyweight boxing event. There will be no other additions for gender equality (e.g. men's sync swimming or women's Greco-Roman) No events currently not on the base list, i.e. approved events for Rio 2016, will be held. There will be no demonstration events put forward as part of this bid, but demonstration events may be proposed and will be considered for inclusion. More information on demonstration sports will be included in the signup thread if the bid is approved.

Each user may enter up to two separate associations (clearly labelled as being controlled by the same user). Because puppets are rarely RPed with and usually only entered for fun in a throwaway "let's win some medals" manner, signup limits will be as follows:

• Each association may enter up to 400 entries (no change from the Emberton Olympics)
• Two associations by the same user (i.e. master + puppet) may enter no more than 550 entries (down from 650 at the Emberton Olympics)
  • This means you can have a master with 400 entries and a puppet with 150; a master with 300 and a puppet with 250; two associations with 275 entries each; or any other combination that brings your total to 550 or fewer.
• Unified teams may consist of more than two associations, but will be treated either as
  • Two associations with a maximum limit of 550 entries or
  • One association with a maximum limit of 400 entries, but allowing a further puppet association as long as the user's total entries do not exceed 550.

A maximum of 550 athlete entries and two signups per user, without exceptions.

If you've got any questions please note I will not be able to answer them until 11:00 BST on Wednesday at the earliest.

[Qazox]

Liventia: just two small questions, if I may?

One: why do you want to host back-to-back Olympics?

Two: what is your postition on who would be NSOC Vice-president in case you do win the Summer Games, as I believe you cannot be both NSOC President and Vice-president concurrently.

[Liventia]

Since I (quite surprisingly) still have Internet access, I'll get to these questions before leaving.

One: why do you want to host back-to-back Olympics?

Because I know I can; because no one else has stepped up; because no one else has enough experience and enough time to do so.

Two: what is your postition on who would be NSOC Vice-president in case you do win the Summer Games, as I believe you cannot be both NSOC President and Vice-president concurrently.

Krytenia, as the previous host of an Olympic Winter Games before me, would assume the vice-presidency.

[Qazox]

Since I (quite surprisingly) still have Internet access, I'll get to these questions before leaving.

One: why do you want to host back-to-back Olympics?

Because I know I can; because no one else has stepped up; because no one else has enough experience and enough time to do so.

Two: what is your postition on who would be NSOC Vice-president in case you do win the Summer Games, as I believe you cannot be both NSOC President and Vice-president concurrently.

Krytenia, as the previous host of an Olympic Winter Games before me, would assume the vice-presidency.

Fair enough. Good luck.

[Horusland]

Okay. So, how does the host voting work?
Liventia, I think that I am not the only one that supports your bid for any competition, as you are active, inform yourself, and actually know how the system works. Good luck.

[Bears Armed]

Badminton, boxing, fencing, judo, taekwondo, table tennis, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling will all take place at a temporary multi-use indoor arena in Cannon Green.

A "temporary multi-use indoor arena" whose competition areas will be kept at a somewhat lower tempertaure than the 33^oC you say is possible outside, I (and the Bears) hope?

[Some Village]

Since it is a bit silent...

First of all, congrats on Liventia's bid and good luck. I'm looking forward to the event already.
I've went through a few old threads previously when thinking about my delegation and I wondered what your viewpoint is considering min-maxing? It seems a bit godmoddy to me (if done without care... All 100s and 0s, by example) but I've read some good IC reasons for reasonable amounts of it as well.
Secondly, and more for personal reasons, will the IC schedule (which event when) be up before the end of the sign-ups or is it roughly the same each Olympics? (I'll probably miss the last week(s) of the Olympics, so I would try to send my athletes to events during the first weeks so they can actively participate, maybe with a good reason why they seem to disappear halfway)

[Liventia]

Badminton, boxing, fencing, judo, taekwondo, table tennis, volleyball, weightlifting and wrestling will all take place at a temporary multi-use indoor arena in Cannon Green.

A "temporary multi-use indoor arena" whose competition areas will be kept at a somewhat lower tempertaure than the 33^oC you say is possible outside, I (and the Bears) hope?

Yes, it will be a temperature-controlled environment.

I wondered what your viewpoint is considering min-maxing?

I'm not a massive fan but I'll allow it, all I ask is people please try not to overdo it, or at least bother RPing if they're going to min-max instead of simply min-maxing to win medals.

Will the IC schedule (which event when) be up before the end of the sign-ups or is it roughly the same each Olympics?

I'll attempt, as far as possible, to follow the same event schedule as at the RL London Olympics, with the exception of some preliminaries in certain sports where the numbers are much larger than the RL counterpart.

[Vulshain]

Can we suggest demonstration sports like jousting and rollerblade racing?

[Liventia]

Can we suggest demonstration sports like jousting and rollerblade racing?

It would help to read the bid:

More information on demonstration sports will be included in the signup thread if the bid is approved.

[Shofercia]

Being looking through the team I would assemble for the Olympics, are there limitations on the amount of events a certain person (as in athlete, not nation) could participate? I couldn't find any ruling upon this in the announcement thread. Not that I would go for outrageous amounts, but five or so would be an option. Or is such fixed in the host bid?

It depends on the sport. For some events, such as Athletics, you can go for cross disciplines. For other events, such as Basketball, you cannot. Look through some of the sign ups for the past Olympics, to see what's allowed and what isn't!

I know I may have asked this before, but I just want to be sure: In case I happen to have enough time to RP it / organize it, can I submit a hosting bid with the fullest intent that it will fail? Ie, I don't have an interest in hosting, but a bid would probably be fun to write up / roleplay.

You could certainly make it clear it's an IC bid while stating you don't wish for it to be considered OOCly. If you leave out key OOC details (eg scorination etc) it'll be fairly obvious – and the Olympic Charter says "Bids that do not include a testable scorinator will not be considered by the Council." So yes, you could do that.

This sounds like fun, thank you for giving us the option Liventia

Could somene tell me what the situation is, what phase the games are in?
(This is the RP version discussion, right? I'm on my phone, sorry.)

Nope, this is OOC.

No, there is no limit; individual hosts may choose to impose their own limits but to my knowledge none have done so. Admittedly as a host it is a bit annoying when someone enters an athlete into 20 events across seven sports, and then doesn't RP with them (making it incredibly unrealistic), but it's not something I would look to actively limit. All I would do is ask that people avoid it unless they're going to RP about such a super-talent.

I was thinking of having a team of about 6-9 athletes/teams that did 1-2 events each. Would this be more the sort of realism you are after?

If you're going to do that, it's customary that you include them in the same groups; I'd recommend Athletics or Swimming.

I bookmarked this for these kinds of situations: The History of Modern NSSports

Olympics under 'multi-sport tournaments'

Thank you

[Shofercia]

Question about the bid:

If I enter a joint association of Shofercia and Shofercian Colonies, (they were RPed as separate nations before,) would I be able to have a single RP count towards the bonus of the joint entry, or would I need two different RPs?

RL example: Unified Team of Russia and former CIS states, codename EUN.

[Liventia]

If they're competing under a single delegation, just one RP would be needed.

[Shofercia]

If they're competing under a single delegation, just one RP would be needed.

Thank you for the clarification Liventia

[Todd McCloud]

((OOC: This is mostly for RP purposes. In no way do I believe I am ready or qualified to handle a bid.))

Vekaiyu Announces Bid for VIII Olympics in Provinsk

About the city
Some may question Vekaiyu's sudden decision to bid for an Olympic hosting. But if there ever was a city more willing to cater to such a challenge, it would be the integrity-driven Provinsk. Provinsk is the second-largest city in Vekaiyu and remains one of the more forward-thinking cities in The East Pacific realm. The city's youth are trendy and full of opinions while the old are more cautious, remembering the series of regime changes the city and the country had to endure. Provinskis, as they like to be called, are perhaps the most progressive individuals in all of Vekaiyu and have accepted the slow transition into a bilingual society (Unonian and English) with open arms. These people like to educate themselves about other national cultures, and do not waste an opportunity to educate others about theirs.

Provinsk is a city that has enjoyed importance for quite some time. In the middle ages it was an important trade center connecting Vekaiyun merchants with north and west sections of the continent, unobstructed by the Ta'lavero Mountains. Provinsk birthed many great Vekaiyun inventors who spurred the plastics and rubber industries of the nineteenth century. Today it represents one of the industrial hubs of Vekaiyu, and is recognized for its continued embrace of said industries. Universities strong in tech jobs continue to churn out bright and innovative individuals to further the city's success into the 21st century.

About the country
Vekaiyu has come a long way from where it stood ten years ago. Initially ruled under the dictator Max Venavle, the nation became known for specist discrimination and firm belief that Vekaiyu was to be the dominant force in the region. Rights were sacrificed for security, and fear of oppression was commonplace. When the dictator was murdered and replaced by Selvala McEva, Vekaiyu made marginal gains. Sweeping changes for the military was initiated, and major infrastructure reforms were put in place with moderate success. When McEva was prosecuted overseas for war crimes, a civil war broke out in Vekaiyu. The result netted Premier Ikrisia Levinile as Vekaiyu's next leader. She transitioned Vekaiyu to a republic by creating a legislative body and reforming the series of courts implemented by Venavle. She then set to work brutally crushing any remaining opposition and counter-revolutions, continued to update the military, furthered education in the state, instituted tolerance for vulpine and human species, and improved Vekaiyu's image abroad. In the past few years, the nation has championed itself as a fighter for "lesser species" rights and was instrumental in the formation of its neighbor, Listonia. Transformed, the nation has emerged as a leading power in The East Pacific realm.

Vekaiyuns in general have embraced their increase in freedoms, and are quickly getting used to the idea of being critical about their government when they want to. They love to be hospitable, and seem to love to learn about other nations' cultures. A typical conversation will vacillate between politics, culture, sports, and requests to be hospitable. Sports, for what its worth, remain a big deal in the nation, especially in the realm of aquatics, which Vekaiyuns will conveniently boast that their programs, facilities, and histories rival any nation in the world.

About the bid
Vekaiyuns have been enamored with international events since their entrance into Olympic competition in 2010. Since the their first appearance, Vekaiyuns have been confident, perhaps overconfident, in their assertions that one day Vekaiyu will host the games. Almost overnight, the Vekaiyun Olympic Committee (VOC) began feasibility studies as to whether or not the state was capable of such an undertaking. The 2010 civil war derailed the process and nearly abandoned their efforts. In 2012, the nation finished 5th overall in the Summer Games and 1st in the 3rd Water World Championships in Civil Citizenry. Flushed with success, the nation picked up where it left off, and spent four months looking into the prospect of hosting. Zealous Vekaiyuns were overjoyed when the results came back positive, and Provinsk and its melting pot and foreign-friendly atmosphere emerged as the quick favorite. Provinsk has the capacity to host the games in a way they have never been hosted before.

Ikalikov Stadium
The grounds of Ikalikov Stadium will provide for much of the track and field events. Built in 2005, the stadium has quickly become a gem for sporting events in eastern Vekaiyu. Initially used for baseball, the field can be converted with ease for track and field purposes. It fits in well with the "polymeric" industry of Vekaiyu: helical chains smartly disguise stairs and elevators that lead to lower, mezzanine, and upper levels of the 55,000-capacity grounds, and ball-and-stick architecture (representing long chains of molecules) is everywhere: from backing the home run fence to "crosslinked" carpet in the press boxes and club seats. It is conveniently located in downtown Provinsk next to subways and various other forms of public transportation.

Camari Aquatic Arena
This blue-themed building made to look like a 'box of bubbles' was built in 1987. Despite its age, it still remains one of the more innovative sporting facilities in Eastern Vekaiyu. Locals refer to it as the 'gel box' since it looks like a block of clear gel interspersed with bubbles. Lights are placed in between the polymeric panels, allowing the 'box' to come in a wide variety of colors. A large pool exists in the center of the area, with seating 'above water' and 'below water', where spectators can enjoy watching action from the clear lexan walls lining the pool. Underwater hockey, among other aquatic sports, remains a huge draw for Vekaiyun faithful. Since much action takes place below the water, seating here is prime. Still, the area is used for swimming events, water polo, diving, artistic performances, and various other venues. It, according to the VOC, would "set the pace for Olympic aquatic events for years to come". Seating capacity is 41,550.

Hall of Kevlar
The Hall of Kevlar is typically used for hosting high-title boxing matches in Provinsk. It will serve as the locale for boxing, wrestling, and martial arts events. The hall was built in 1928, but has been made into a cultural icon. Even today blue-collard Vekaiyuns will pack into the building, sit on the wood and metal seats, and scream into the cavernous building as opponents beat the tar out of each other.

Elskalso Gymnasium
The Eskalso Gymnasium will host all gymnastics events. It's your standard gymnasium, if by standard you are used to stained-glass representations of vulpine men and women doing artistic feats. Vekaiyuns are dialed into the art and physique of the vulpine body, and enjoy holding competitions and performances to demonstrate that. Their dominance in gymnastics last year proves testament to that.

Lake Ilivaki
The tranquil waters of Lake Ilivaki sit just outside of Provinsk, and are a subway ride away from the city limits. Jaku trees, a Vekaiyun staple, grow freely here and house hundreds of species native to Vekaiyu and misplaced from Packilvania. Here all outdoor water activities, such as canoing and rowing, will take place.

Bid specifics; i.e. the OOC important bits
((lolwut. Don't vote for me this was just for fun.))

[Krytenia]

OK, we have a bid!

Potential bidders will have ten days (and around fourteen hours) to table eligible bids.

Your deadline, therefore, is 2300UTC on Tuesday 25 June 2013. That's 7pm Eastern, midnight UK, and 9am Weds if you live in Rabbitoh country.

[Horusland]

Being looking through the team I would assemble for the Olympics, are there limitations on the amount of events a certain person (as in athlete, not nation) could participate? I couldn't find any ruling upon this in the announcement thread. Not that I would go for outrageous amounts, but five or so would be an option. Or is such fixed in the host bid?

It depends on the sport. For some events, such as Athletics, you can go for cross disciplines. For other events, such as Basketball, you cannot. Look through some of the sign ups for the past Olympics, to see what's allowed and what isn't!

You could certainly make it clear it's an IC bid while stating you don't wish for it to be considered OOCly. If you leave out key OOC details (eg scorination etc) it'll be fairly obvious – and the Olympic Charter says "Bids that do not include a testable scorinator will not be considered by the Council." So yes, you could do that.

This sounds like fun, thank you for giving us the option Liventia

Could somene tell me what the situation is, what phase the games are in?
(This is the RP version discussion, right? I'm on my phone, sorry.)

Nope, this is OOC.

I was thinking of having a team of about 6-9 athletes/teams that did 1-2 events each. Would this be more the sort of realism you are after?

If you're going to do that, it's customary that you include them in the same groups; I'd recommend Athletics or Swimming.

I bookmarked this for these kinds of situations: The History of Modern NSSports

Olympics under 'multi-sport tournaments'

Thank you

This is OOC? Oops. So, we're talking about the RL Olympics, not the NS ones?
I would believe that, but there is a problem. People are making bids. So no, this IS the NS one.

[Liventia]

This is the OOC thread to the NS Olympics.
Next time when quoting a long post, learn to cut it down.
Now, don't be a smartarse, stop being a pain in everyone's side, and move on.

/official VP statement

[Horusland]

This is the OOC thread to the NS Olympics.
Next time when quoting a long post, learn to cut it down.
Now, don't be a smartarse, stop being a pain in everyone's side, and move on.

/official VP statement

I asked a question. If you can't answer it, learn to control your ego.
And also, I am on my phone. I can't sit here to press the backspace button 1 a thousand times.
This is not the first time you do this.

[Liventia]

This is the OOC thread to the NS Olympics.
Next time when quoting a long post, learn to cut it down.
Now, don't be a smartarse, stop being a pain in everyone's side, and move on.

/official VP statement

I asked a question. If you can't answer it, learn to control your ego.
And also, I am on my phone. I can't sit here to press the backspace button 1 a thousand times.
This is not the first time you do this.

Perhaps you need to realise you're the repeat offender? And being on your phone is no excuse at all. Quoting a long post to respond to one small segment is bad forum etiquette on any online board. In any case, my response was made in my VP capacity and carried a very distinct message which you would be wise to take on board — move on.

[Shofercia]

This is OOC? Oops. So, we're talking about the RL Olympics, not the NS ones?
I would believe that, but there is a problem. People are making bids. So no, this IS the NS one.

OOC means out of character on NS Sports. We don't actually use OOC on NSG, when talking about the RL Olympics. I thought that was blatantly obvious.

This is the OOC thread to the NS Olympics.
Next time when quoting a long post, learn to cut it down.
Now, don't be a smartarse, stop being a pain in everyone's side, and move on.

/official VP statement

I asked a question. If you can't answer it, learn to control your ego.
And also, I am on my phone. I can't sit here to press the backspace button 1 a thousand times.
This is not the first time you do this.

He's giving you advice, albeit very stern advice, on how to get along on NS Sports. It's not the same etiquette as NSG. Additionally, there's nothing egomaniac about Liv's post. He's strict but fair, and he's the VP because he earned it. When you host a successful Winter Olympics, you too will have the honor of explaining our etiquette rules.