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Copenhagen Metropolis
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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:57 pm

Just noticed this issue for the first time.
Just wondering if option 1 will actually result in your nation resigning from the World Assembly?
If that's the case, it's certainly a new aspect to issues...working that way.

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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:13 pm

Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:Just noticed this issue for the first time.

It's because it's a new issue. :)
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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:34 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:Just noticed this issue for the first time.

It's because it's a new issue. :)

I figured as much.

But,
Just wondering if option 1 will actually result in your nation resigning from the World Assembly?

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Sanctaria
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:37 pm

Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:It's because it's a new issue. :)

I figured as much.

But,
Just wondering if option 1 will actually result in your nation resigning from the World Assembly?

We don't tell people the effects of issues.

But what I will say is that, as in all issues, if the text hints at something, chances are it's likely to be effected.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:47 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:I figured as much.

But,
Just wondering if option 1 will actually result in your nation resigning from the World Assembly?

We don't tell people the effects of issues.

But what I will say is that, as in all issues, if the text hints at something, chances are it's likely to be effected.

No, I don't generally expect you to either, but it's just that this issue is different from any other issue I've ever encountered.
But alright, I'll just refrain from answering it.

Thanks.

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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:50 pm

Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:We don't tell people the effects of issues.

But what I will say is that, as in all issues, if the text hints at something, chances are it's likely to be effected.

No, I don't generally expect you to either, but it's just that this issue is different from any other issue I've ever encountered.
But alright, I'll just refrain from answering it.

Thanks.

Fair enough.

You could also post the issue in the Issue Spoilers thread and then wait a few days/weeks/months to see if anyone else gets it and how they respond and the effect of their decisions.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:52 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:No, I don't generally expect you to either, but it's just that this issue is different from any other issue I've ever encountered.
But alright, I'll just refrain from answering it.

Thanks.

Fair enough.

You could also post the issue in the Issue Spoilers thread and then wait a few days/weeks/months to see if anyone else gets it and how they respond and the effect of their decisions.

I may do that. Thanks again :)

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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:54 pm

Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:Fair enough.

You could also post the issue in the Issue Spoilers thread and then wait a few days/weeks/months to see if anyone else gets it and how they respond and the effect of their decisions.

I may do that. Thanks again :)

Just don't start a discussion in the thread. It's just for issue text spoilers only. But it'll draw people's attention to it and maybe they'll be able to help you with your choice.
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Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby Panageadom » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:18 pm

Unless there's been something of a U-turn on policy in terms of the effects of issues, without having seen the issue at hand, my guess would that it would be impossible for an issue to actually cause your nation to change its WA status.
Author of Issues:
#273: Is our children learning?
#310: Too Little Talk?
#315: Creative Flowers Withering Under Legislation
#324 "Tourism Tanking" Tells Tabloids
#334: Blot Out Bauhaus
#340: Defending Patent Pending
#365: A Busload of Worry

None at present

If I offer criticism on your proposed issue, I will often write in red: don't think I'm being aggressive, it's just a convention I use!
If I ask a question on a proposed issue thread, then it's because I feel it's one you need to ask of your issue: I'm being Socratic and/or lazy.


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Sanctaria
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:22 pm

Panageadom wrote:Unless there's been something of a U-turn on policy in terms of the effects of issues, without having seen the issue at hand, my guess would that it would be impossible for an issue to actually cause your nation to change its WA status.

What policy?
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GA#109 GA#133 GA#176 GA#201 GA#222 GA#297
GA#590 (Co)
Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby Panageadom » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:20 pm

As far as I was aware, there was a general rule that issues wouldn't change user-manipulated information such as names, titles, flags, etc. I presume that WA attendance was part of that...?
Author of Issues:
#273: Is our children learning?
#310: Too Little Talk?
#315: Creative Flowers Withering Under Legislation
#324 "Tourism Tanking" Tells Tabloids
#334: Blot Out Bauhaus
#340: Defending Patent Pending
#365: A Busload of Worry

None at present

If I offer criticism on your proposed issue, I will often write in red: don't think I'm being aggressive, it's just a convention I use!
If I ask a question on a proposed issue thread, then it's because I feel it's one you need to ask of your issue: I'm being Socratic and/or lazy.


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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:23 am

Not sure if it goes here but,

5 hours ago: Following new legislation in The Holy Dominion of Inesea, dozens of additional foreign policy specialists have been sent to the country’s WA Mission.


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I'm really tired

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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:30 am

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Not sure if it goes here but,

5 hours ago: Following new legislation in The Holy Dominion of Inesea, dozens of additional foreign policy specialists have been sent to the country’s WA Mission.


The ending does not seem right.

Yeah, that problem has been resolved.
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Dr. Bethany Greer CMD, Sanctarian Ambassador to the World Assembly
Author of:
GA#109 GA#133 GA#176 GA#201 GA#222 GA#297
GA#590 (Co)
Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:35 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Not sure if it goes here but,

5 hours ago: Following new legislation in The Holy Dominion of Inesea, dozens of additional foreign policy specialists have been sent to the country’s WA Mission.


The ending does not seem right.

Yeah, that problem has been resolved.

Okay, good.
I'm really tired

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Postby Ballotonia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:15 pm

Panageadom wrote:As far as I was aware, there was a general rule that issues wouldn't change user-manipulated information such as names, titles, flags, etc. I presume that WA attendance was part of that...?


No such rule exists. We also have issues which unlock user-adjustable fields.

Though I can assure you that an issue which causes a nation to JOIN the WA isn't in the plans.

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Postby JohnnyandtheContusions » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:27 pm

This is a terrible idea. You can't spring surprise effects on players, especially if they are relying on WA membership for GP objectives -- i.e., they are a delegate or they are providing vital support for a delegate. If something changes a nation's stats unexpectedly, that's fine. It does not affect players' GP abilities. Even if an issue opens up new Settings fields, it does not affect the player's power. But if a player is dumb enough not to read an issue carefully -- or assume that the issue text should not be taken literally -- and a region ends up losing its delegate as a result -- should the entire region be forced to pay for the mistakes of one errant issue-answerer?

Besides, people resign in the face of destructive new legislation all the time. Why especially would nations want to resign because of the effects of hypothetical legislation? That's no fun.
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Sanctaria
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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:40 pm

The text states very clearly that the result is resigning from the WA.
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Dr. Bethany Greer CMD, Sanctarian Ambassador to the World Assembly
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Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Takaram
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Postby Takaram » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:10 pm

I decided to do it just for the hell of it to see if it would actually resign me. It did. A minute later I was back in the WA. It's not that big a deal.

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Postby Blue Wolf II » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:53 pm

Perhaps not for you, but imagine if a delegate answered this without knowing the consequences. I like this idea, but I think it's poorly introduced. I'm not aware of any other issue that effects a nation's WA status in such a way, perhaps we should have gotten players used to the idea before dropping this on them in such an unsuspecting manner? :P

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Postby Todd McCloud » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:05 pm

Well it's a new idea, I guess. Trouble is not many people are aware that checking an issue option will result in the removal of the WA. When I select an option from the issues in my nation, I do so with the notion that my nation's policies don't always equate to how I act in gameplay. I can name a good deal of nations who don't relate to the person's style of gameplay. Personally, I can see that being a problem. I don't like the fact that issue answering is directly affecting gameplay in this case.

Also this. If someone clicks on that issue and happens to pick the 'resign from the WA' one, can they re-apply to join the WA, or does the issue trump the gameplay move?
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Postby Leutria » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:31 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:Also this. If someone clicks on that issue and happens to pick the 'resign from the WA' one, can they re-apply to join the WA, or does the issue trump the gameplay move?

Look two posts above yours. They said they did the issue, then reapplied to the WA right away. I looked at their nation's page and it confirms it.

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Postby Sanctaria » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:01 am

Todd McCloud wrote:I don't like the fact that issue answering is directly affecting gameplay in this case.

Issue answering is gameplay, as is often forgotten. It was the only intended gameplay, actually.

Todd McCloud wrote:Trouble is not many people are aware that checking an issue option will result in the removal of the WA.

The issue states quite clear that the result of the issue will be resignation from the World Assembly.

This is, as far as I know, the only issue that so blatantly and explicitly states the effects of choosing it within the issue itself, and this is because this issue is far different that any been put into the game before.

Dismissing the issue completely remains a possibility, as does choosing the other option within the issue. It'll take a few weeks for people/"gameplayers" to adjust, but after that it'll just become an issue you ignore - like many other issues I'm sure.

We're not forcing people to resign, we've merely introduced the option to do it through issues. The text states quite clearly the result is resignation. We've also ensured that brand new players who join the World Assembly as soon as they join the game won't get the issue, and therefore won't understand what's going on and accidently resign themselves.

It's a new method of resigning from the World Assembly. That's it. As far as I'm aware, there are no more plans for issues to interact with the game in this way again. So it's one issue. Chill.
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Dr. Bethany Greer CMD, Sanctarian Ambassador to the World Assembly
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GA#590 (Co)
Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby Cromarty » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:52 am

Sanctaria wrote:It's a new method of resigning from the World Assembly. That's it. As far as I'm aware, there are no more plans for issues to interact with the game in this way again. So it's one issue. Chill.

It's yet another way for me to have heart attack when I actually do answer issues.

Thanks.
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Postby Sanctaria » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:55 am

Cromarty wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:It's a new method of resigning from the World Assembly. That's it. As far as I'm aware, there are no more plans for issues to interact with the game in this way again. So it's one issue. Chill.

It's yet another way for me to have heart attack when I actually do answer issues.

Thanks.

That's what we were aiming for! :p
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Dr. Bethany Greer CMD, Sanctarian Ambassador to the World Assembly
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Frisbeeteria wrote:Do people not realize that moderators can tell when someone is wanking?

Luna Amore wrote:Sanc is always watching. Ever vigilant.

Auralia wrote:Your condescending attitude is remarkably annoying.

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Postby Cromarty » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:58 am

Sanctaria wrote:
Cromarty wrote:It's yet another way for me to have heart attack when I actually do answer issues.

Thanks.

That's what we were aiming for! :p

Sure. Stuff like this is why I won't be answering issues, whereas before I was picking any option.

Reading is effort, and its too much effort just to avoid accidentally resigning from the WA.
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