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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:19 am

Vellosia wrote:
Zottistan wrote:I figured, if Mr Garrison can do it twice, I can do it.


The first person is often the hardest. I wish you the best for the future.


Heh. It stayed pretty much equally hard for me after I told my father. Though, after a bit more than a year, I'm finally completely openly homosexual.

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Postby Vellosia » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:21 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
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The first person is often the hardest. I wish you the best for the future.


Heh. It stayed pretty much equally hard for me after I told my father. Though, after a bit more than a year, I'm finally completely openly homosexual.


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Postby Zottistan » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:22 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Vellosia wrote:
The first person is often the hardest. I wish you the best for the future.


Heh. It stayed pretty much equally hard for me after I told my father. Though, after a bit more than a year, I'm finally completely openly homosexual.

That's uplifting...
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:25 am

Vellosia wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Heh. It stayed pretty much equally hard for me after I told my father. Though, after a bit more than a year, I'm finally completely openly homosexual.


It's my favourite Communist! :hug:


:hug:

It's been a long time. Though, I'm still not exactly active on the forums...

Nevertheless good to hear from you ;)

Zottistan wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Heh. It stayed pretty much equally hard for me after I told my father. Though, after a bit more than a year, I'm finally completely openly homosexual.

That's uplifting...


It's, what we call in Dutch, biting through the sour apple. It's worth it, though.

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:26 am

Herrebrugh wrote:It's, what we call in Dutch, biting through the sour apple. It's worth it, though.


That's a great expression actually.
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Postby Vellosia » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:28 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
Vellosia wrote:
It's my favourite Communist! :hug:


:hug:

It's been a long time. Though, I'm still not exactly active on the forums...

Nevertheless good to hear from you ;)


:hug:

I'm not particularly active either, to be honest. And likewise. Haven't seen you for some time. :)

And with that, time for me to go. Going out with James.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:30 am

Vellosia wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
:hug:

It's been a long time. Though, I'm still not exactly active on the forums...

Nevertheless good to hear from you ;)


:hug:

I'm not particularly active either, to be honest. And likewise. Haven't seen you for some time. :)

And with that, time for me to go. Going out with James.


Have fun! ;)

Oneracon wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:It's, what we call in Dutch, biting through the sour apple. It's worth it, though.


That's a great expression actually.


It covers the load :P

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Postby The Zeonic States » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:35 pm

Well i have finally returned to dating after losing my last Partner to complications due to Medical treatment and i am looking forward to seeing if i cannot find some one new.

It will be difficult to replace some one i had by myside for almost three Years, lived with, Loved, Shared hopes and dreams and even one whom could relate to my previous occupation but i have hope for the future.

I have a little else to say here i suppose; Well i guess an introduction would work.

I turned thirty three this Year, i served Nine Years in the United States Army. I am pansexual in theory but every person i have ever fallen for was a man, My last Boyfreind and me lived together in our home in chicago for almost two Years until he a Marine in iraq was crippled when a gunship he was repairing fuel tank caught fire and exploded his physical injuries were major but as he was blown clear from the wreckage he survived however the shockwave of the explosion put him into a coma which he never awoke from.

That was Nine month's ago and i finally was told that his internal organs were begining to fail and if even if they were not he was slipping into a vegatative state from which no brain activity would be likely. So after informing his mother of this me, his mother, sister and his younger brother went to Hospital to see him off and well, He was buried last week in the family plot in Virginia.

For a long while i was a spiteful and bitter wreck about this; I survived my tour of front line duty in iraq and eugene get's killed fixing a fucking helicopter in the greenzone? I just couldn't accept that. But here we are and me lamenting and bemoaning this will never change it, I loved him but he is gone and now i am trying to start again but that is tricky due to me being in a fairly serious relationship for almost four Years.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:54 pm

Caoca wrote:
Cycloneland wrote:Point is: it's great to be in a country where we do can marry! :)


Aw thats so amazing, I need to move to wherever you live. I sadly live in a country where Roman Catholicism is the official state religion and the LGBT 'scene' is practically underground and quite frankly dangerous. :(


What country is that, if you don't mind me asking?

The Zeonic States wrote:Well i have finally returned to dating after losing my last Partner to complications due to Medical treatment and i am looking forward to seeing if i cannot find some one new.

It will be difficult to replace some one i had by myside for almost three Years, lived with, Loved, Shared hopes and dreams and even one whom could relate to my previous occupation but i have hope for the future.

I have a little else to say here i suppose; Well i guess an introduction would work.

I turned thirty three this Year, i served Nine Years in the United States Army. I am pansexual in theory but every person i have ever fallen for was a man, My last Boyfreind and me lived together in our home in chicago for almost two Years until he a Marine in iraq was crippled when a gunship he was repairing fuel tank caught fire and exploded his physical injuries were major but as he was blown clear from the wreckage he survived however the shockwave of the explosion put him into a coma which he never awoke from.

That was Nine month's ago and i finally was told that his internal organs were begining to fail and if even if they were not he was slipping into a vegatative state from which no brain activity would be likely. So after informing his mother of this me, his mother, sister and his younger brother went to Hospital to see him off and well, He was buried last week in the family plot in Virginia.

For a long while i was a spiteful and bitter wreck about this; I survived my tour of front line duty in iraq and eugene get's killed fixing a fucking helicopter in the greenzone? I just couldn't accept that. But here we are and me lamenting and bemoaning this will never change it, I loved him but he is gone and now i am trying to start again but that is tricky due to me being in a fairly serious relationship for almost four Years.


I cannot imagine how that feels. You have all my sympathies. :hug:
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Postby Heleventia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:21 am

Grenartia wrote:
Caoca wrote:
Aw thats so amazing, I need to move to wherever you live. I sadly live in a country where Roman Catholicism is the official state religion and the LGBT 'scene' is practically underground and quite frankly dangerous. :(


What country is that, if you don't mind me asking?



I just dont care whatever country it is, at last there is a sensible Western country. I am so pleased to know that people still fear God and not like modern day Europe, seriously a Swedish school banned the use of gender related pronouns like he, she, him etc. keeping in mind the LGBTs and France says that reference to mother and father must be done away with. Is it not the beginning of an apocalypse?
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Postby Tsuntion » Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:26 am

Heleventia wrote:I just dont care whatever country it is, at last there is a sensible Western country.


There are a number of them -- Sweden, Britain, Germany...
(Note: Not referring to LGBT-related laws in them.)

I am so pleased to know that people still fear God


There are something like 2.1 billion Christians. Remind me, what are we meant to worry about?

and not like modern day Europe, seriously a Swedish school banned the use of gender related pronouns like he, she, him etc.


A good idea in theory, but in practise, while not harmful, depending on exactly what they did it may not be overly beneficial. Your point?

keeping in mind the LGBTs and France says that reference to mother and father must be done away with.


In legal documents not general vocabulary, IIRC. There are many single-parent, adopting, or same-sex-parent households so it helps simplify things.

Is it not the beginning of an apocalypse?


Nope.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:05 am

Heleventia wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
What country is that, if you don't mind me asking?



I just dont care whatever country it is, at last there is a sensible Western country. I am so pleased to know that people still fear God and not like modern day Europe, seriously a Swedish school banned the use of gender related pronouns like he, she, him etc. keeping in mind the LGBTs and France says that reference to mother and father must be done away with. Is it not the beginning of an apocalypse?


An apocalypse of awesomeness, perhaps.

Seriously. It's about damn time we start deconstructing the binary, and not forcing our children to conform to it is a great way to start off.

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Postby US of Aynrandica » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:47 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Heleventia wrote:
I just dont care whatever country it is, at last there is a sensible Western country. I am so pleased to know that people still fear God and not like modern day Europe, seriously a Swedish school banned the use of gender related pronouns like he, she, him etc. keeping in mind the LGBTs and France says that reference to mother and father must be done away with. Is it not the beginning of an apocalypse?


An apocalypse of awesomeness, perhaps.

Seriously. It's about damn time we start deconstructing the binary, and not forcing our children to conform to it is a great way to start off.


Not acknowledging differences in gender is forcing your children to conform. We are individuals and as such we are all different, but A is still A. There are men and there are women (different types for sure). Forcing children to ignore their individual differences (not just physical but emotional and psychological) causes unnecessary conflict with their inherent personalities.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:54 am

US of Aynrandica wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
An apocalypse of awesomeness, perhaps.

Seriously. It's about damn time we start deconstructing the binary, and not forcing our children to conform to it is a great way to start off.


Not acknowledging differences in gender is forcing your children to conform. We are individuals and as such we are all different, but A is still A. There are men and there are women (different types for sure). Forcing children to ignore their individual differences (not just physical but emotional and psychological) causes unnecessary conflict with their inherent personalities.


Who said anything about not acknowledging that people can identify as male or female?

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:55 am

Heleventia wrote: seriously a Swedish school banned the use of gender related pronouns like he, she, him etc.

Swedish doesn't HAVE gendered pronouns (neither does Turkish, for example; not all languages do).
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Postby Takaram » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:56 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Heleventia wrote: seriously a Swedish school banned the use of gender related pronouns like he, she, him etc.

Swedish doesn't HAVE gendered pronouns (neither does Turkish, for example; not all languages do).


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Postby US of Aynrandica » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:03 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
US of Aynrandica wrote:
Not acknowledging differences in gender is forcing your children to conform. We are individuals and as such we are all different, but A is still A. There are men and there are women (different types for sure). Forcing children to ignore their individual differences (not just physical but emotional and psychological) causes unnecessary conflict with their inherent personalities.


Who said anything about not acknowledging that people can identify as male or female?


If an individual doesn't fit into gender binary it does not mean it's invalid.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:19 am

US of Aynrandica wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Who said anything about not acknowledging that people can identify as male or female?


If an individual doesn't fit into gender binary it does not mean it's invalid.


But it does mean that it's not a binary, now doesn't it? By virtue of its name, it precludes other possibilities, and such a rejection results in severe harm and discrimination, so.

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Postby US of Aynrandica » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:34 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
US of Aynrandica wrote:
If an individual doesn't fit into gender binary it does not mean it's invalid.


But it does mean that it's not a binary, now doesn't it? By virtue of its name, it precludes other possibilities, and such a rejection results in severe harm and discrimination, so.


No. It is binary for some individuals. For others it may not be. A is A.

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:50 am

US of Aynrandica wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
But it does mean that it's not a binary, now doesn't it? By virtue of its name, it precludes other possibilities, and such a rejection results in severe harm and discrimination, so.


No. It is binary for some individuals. For others it may not be. A is A.

It is binary for the vast majority. We are actually a small percentage of the population.
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Postby Raeyh » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:00 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
US of Aynrandica wrote:
Not acknowledging differences in gender is forcing your children to conform. We are individuals and as such we are all different, but A is still A. There are men and there are women (different types for sure). Forcing children to ignore their individual differences (not just physical but emotional and psychological) causes unnecessary conflict with their inherent personalities.


Who said anything about not acknowledging that people can identify as male or female?


If you aren't allowed to use gender pronouns, that's what you are doing.

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Postby Tmutarakhan » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:10 am

Raeyh wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Who said anything about not acknowledging that people can identify as male or female?


If you aren't allowed to use gender pronouns, that's what you are doing.

As I pointed out before, there are many languages in the world which don't distinguish their pronouns by gender. This does not stop people from considering themselves male or female. You're being a little silly.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:13 am

wait, what does the IQ stand for?
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Postby Jormengand » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:17 am

Shnercropolis wrote:wait, what does the IQ stand for?

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Postby Raeyh » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:19 am

Tmutarakhan wrote:
Raeyh wrote:
If you aren't allowed to use gender pronouns, that's what you are doing.

As I pointed out before, there are many languages in the world which don't distinguish their pronouns by gender. This does not stop people from considering themselves male or female. You're being a little silly.


English isn't one of those languages.

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